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Do I really have CH?
Jun 25th, 2008 at 6:49am
 
Hi, I'm new to this group, it's only recently I learned of cluster headaches and realised it matched mine perfectly. But...
When I have an attack, I get all the symptoms, piercing pain behind my left eye, watery eye/runny nose, pain sometimes radiating to upper jaw and neck, but the pain I get, though bad, doesn't seem anywhere near as severe as people describe. Is there such thing as a 'mild' form of CH? In which case, can I look forward to it getting worse? Or, could I have something else causing such similar symptoms?

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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 7:31am
 
If you look on the left side of the site, there's a bunch of links.  Go to the Kip Scale and read through the definitions of the various levels.  Everyone's pain is different.  In fact, my pain is different from one HA to another.  One time it can be a 5, next it's a full blown 10.  When I first started getting mine, they were usually really low and have gradually increased to where I get 10's a lot.

Have you seen a doctor or more importantly a neurologist.  Because the pain can get pretty severe and they can happen often, it's important to get on a preventative (topamax, lithium, verapamil) to help make the HA's less often and less severe and an abortive (oxygen, imitrex) to stop the pain when one does get through.
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 7:52am
 
Thanks for yor reply.
Yeah, I've checked all the links - read a lot about it since I 'discovered' CH. I'd say I get to pain level 6 at worst.
The doc did try me on beta-blockers as I have high blood-pressure too, but they didn't seem to make any difference.
I'm in the UK, by the way, so I don't know if it is treated any differently here.



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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 8:33am
 
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Not sure about the differences in the UK and USA, but the treatments should be similar.  Everyone's different so what could work for me may not work for you.  There are many other preventive treatments, so if your doctor hasn't tried any more, get on him to.  Print out and take that page to him if needed.  Unfortunately most doctors don't know much about cluster headaches, so we're left with having to do most of the research.  I myself have had to tell my doctor about the different preventives, granted I see a GP and not a neurologist yet, but she's been pretty open with me educating her, especially after I was able to describe the pain better to her and she realized how bad it was.

You know how bad it can get, not your doctor, so make sure he stays on the ball about treating you.  If you don't have success with one, try another and another until you find something that works for you.  Some people have had to use higher doses to get relief, while others have had to combine different preventives.  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Tells more about the different treatments and gives information on the doses.
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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 9:04am
 
Hello, Neil.  Welcome aboard.  

This is in response to your question. I am not trying to be doom and gloom, but it may get worse at some point.  Is the reason you wonder if it's really ch because it is milder?  There could be several reasons off the top for that.

If you are taking verapamil for your blood pressure, that may be a reason why they seem milder.

You may be using a different personal pain scale.  I used to have a pain scale that only went from 4 to 6, and my 4 was similar to a 7 on the KIP scale.  

Yes, there are other similar headaches.  You may want to do a search on TAC/SUNCT and paroxysmal hemicrania.  

Good luck and welcome aboard.

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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 9:25am
 
Yes, not wishing to tempt fate, but from the horror stories I've been reading, it seemed I wasn't suffering enough.  The '6' i was referring to was on the KIP scale.
No, I'm not taking verapamil.
I see paroxysmal hemicrania has very similar symptoms, how do we tell the difference?

Thanks for your reply.
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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 1:05pm
 
Hi Neil and welcome.

This may help:

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All the best with it

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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 1:16pm
 
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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 4:41pm
 
Doesn't sound strange to me. Some of my cycles are much worse than others. My cycles start with low pain... then peak at some level (usually 8 to 10) and taper back down again before going into remission.
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Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 9:42pm
 
Hopefully LeLimey will be along soon and give you the scoop on whats up in the UK. Helen is aces at stuff on your side of the pond. You might want to look up OUCH-UK. From what I understand Simon has a great organization over there.
   Don't worry about only having a Kip - 6, and not suffering enough. At some point the Beast will rectify that little short coming. And you'll learn to keep yer mouth shut Wink
    Welcome to the maelstrom.

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Reply #10 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 12:31am
 
Hi Niel

Any sufferering is too much.

One of the determining factors of CH vs other issues is the time frame of an attack.
Less than 30 minutes or over 3 hours per hit on a regular basis is suspect. Though not completely accurate as many here have proven. It is a good indicator.
The hits can be back to back but some easing of the pain should happen between.
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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 9:47am
 
Thanks everyone for your replies.
It's not a club I would choose to be a member of, but it's nice to be among friends  Smiley

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Reply #12 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:34pm
 
It seems to me that docs sometimes use response to meds to help in their diagnosis. 

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Reply #13 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 5:47pm
 
Hello and Welcome!

Beta blockers are usually most helpful with migraines, not cluster headaches.  

It's great that you do have a doctor who is willing to listen.

Good luck
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