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The Spaniard CH.com Newbie Offline Growing a new brain hurts like hell, doesn´t it? Posts: 23 x0\|Alicante\|Spain\|\|0\|0\| Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #25 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 1:22pm Potter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 12:33pm: What is easier than oxygen? Pumping your arms, maybe? But hey, who´s forcing you? This is not a treatment contest, is it? Whatever works for you my friend...
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Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2
Reply #26 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 1:25pm

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[quote]The next hit will come, can your technique stop that? Some people report an increase in pain using these techniques. Had you done some research you would have known that.
Caffeine is your abort. The rest is in your head.
Come on Spaniard get real. GET 02
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Well, the abort is quite real for me, but again, each his own. Içm not going to drag around O2 bottles unless I have too.

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thebbz Ex Member	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #27 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 1:30pm Quote: This is not a treatment contest, is it? These are treatments Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or What you have is an antidote. An old one at that. all the best thebb
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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #28 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:10pm How much is a non rebreather and a tank without insurance? and does anyone know how i could get imitrex for under 240$ for 9 pills (was just perscribed by the doctor today). Thanks and i wish a pain free day to us all. Greg
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Reply #29 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:18pm

Greg, here's a link to a Canadian pharmacy and their imitrex page - brand and generic. think you'll find the prices much much better. All you have to do is fax them your prescription, although it can take a couple of weeks to get the goods:

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As for O2.... like many here I use a welder's tank. At least locally in Los Angeles I was able to buy quite a big one - think it's about 80 cubic feet - and a regulator for about $300. I figure it's a good investment, and fills are only 18 bucks. The masks are fairly cheap I think at some websites. I got mine from my good friends at the local fire station!

Hope this helps.
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thebbz Ex Member	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #30 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:23pm Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or search ebay for regulators ect...Medical 02 prices can vary. Welders 02 is cheaper. I have a couple of NRB mask's if you cant find one let me know. thebb
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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #31 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:35pm Thanks a million bb. Ill look it up and get back with you... I am pretty broke these days. The doctor visits (200$) and the imitex (240$) hurt me pretty good. But on the bright side i havn't even had a shadow since yestday after after drinkin jungle juice . Thats what i call it.. Tee Hee Hee
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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #32 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:58pm Ok i added it up 16.50$ for mask accessories, 21.95$ for a regulator and 91.87$ for a 40 cf welding tank. For a total of 130.32$. Sound about right? Supprisingly cheaper than i thought.
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Reply #33 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:20pm

The Spaniard wrote on Jul 21^st, 2008 at 6:58pm:

AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Jul 21^st, 2008 at 10:05am:

oxygen as abortive.

Just about O2, I have nothing against it, but I am too lazy to go to the local MD, get a referral to a Neurologist in Alicante to get the O2.

Simply cannot be bothered. Maybe not enough KIP-9+´s lately.

Hi Spaniard,

I can appreciate your general comments. Hey, I'll try anything and something new intrigues me. That's why we are here...

Now, the comment above, that's way beyond what I can fathom. From 1982 til 1985 I had no idea what was wrong with me and neither did multiple doctors. I went through DAILY multiple 9's that had me questioning my ability to remain sane AND alive. When I finally found O2 (through the then National Migraine Foundation and now the National Headache Foundation my life was literally saved).

Holy shit, I CAN deal with this nightmare and all it takes is a metal cylinder of O2 and the right mask!!!! LIFE CHANGING my friend.

I find the comment above highly offensive. There are no lazy clusterheads. Life is already a bitch, add CH and it is infinitely worse. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands here who have found relief through O2. The least side effects with the most efficacy of ANYTHING

Can't be "bothered" to try. Perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board. Criminy, I'm holding my tongue in disbelief...

Jon

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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #34 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 1:07pm Thanks for the link on the pharmacy David. It outta save me a truck load
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Reply #35 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 1:23pm

You're welcome, Greg. That's only one of the more prominent pharms from our great friends to the north. If you've got time you might try a search of canadian online pharmacies.... I just tried 2 or 3 back when I was looking for a place to get cheap(er) Lipitor. You may even be able to beat that price!

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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #36 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 4:43pm Nice!!
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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #37 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:25pm I just realized why my imitrex cost so much... I paid for a name MFG. Glaxo Smith Kline. They are pretty to look at though lol. Wish they had the Generic at my pharmacy, they're about half the price according to the sites i looked at.
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Reply #38 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:30pm

Yes, the generics are of course cheaper. Personally I've never found any difference and always look for them for any drug if they're available. With Imitrex I've had both and the generic worked equally well for me.

In my experience, as mass market US pharmacies go, if you can get to a Costco you'll generally find better prices - and you don't need to be a member to fill prescriptions there. But if you're paying out of your own pocket, north of the border is certainly the way to go.

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Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2
Reply #39 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:34pm

Greg,

If you decide to go with medical 02 and the e-tanks...I will send you a regulator and several non-rebreather masks. Just let me know in a PM , o.k.?

As far as I know Imitrex is not available in a generic as of yet. We've been waiting for years, but I don't think their patent expires until next year.

Linda

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Reply #40 - Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:57pm

Wow... Linda, you're a superstar!

However I beg to differ on generic Imitrex, at least in pill form. I'm in possession of a box of Sandoz Sumatriptan, 100 mg that I got through the Canadian pharmacy I referenced above. No idea about the injectable since I've never used it.

That's a great thing you're doing for Greg.

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Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2
Reply #41 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 8:58am

Balanchine wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 5:57pm:

Wow... Linda, you're a superstar!

However I beg to differ on generic Imitrex, at least in pill form. I'm in possession of a box of Sandoz Sumatriptan, 100 mg that I got through the Canadian pharmacy I referenced above. No idea about the injectable since I've never used it.

That's a great thing you're doing for Greg.

David

That's because you got it from Canada. In the US, when a company makes something they get a patent. The patent says that no one else can make that for so long, basically allowing that company to make a ton of money. Not sure how long it is for medicine, but I heard that imitrex generic is supposed to come out sometime this year or next.

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Reply #42 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 5:18pm

You are all right.. The cheapest i been able to find it (without ordering hundreds) is in Canada at about 9 bucks a pop. And they are generic brand. I just took my first one today and it was a pleasure. I am reluctant to take them because i spent nearly 27$ a piece but at least now i know they'll work for me. I appreciate all the useful info guys and its always a pleasure talking to my fellow clusterheads. I wish you all PF days and look forward to talkin with you again.
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Greg CH.com Newbie Offline I Love You Guys Like Family Posts: 23 Tallahassee Florida Gender:	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #43 - Jul 26^th, 2008 at 5:28pm Thanks for the offer Linda, you are very kind. If its not too much trouble i will accept. I added you to my buddies and will PM you when i see you online. I believe it will save me money in the long run if i could use the 02 as opposed to the imitrex.
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thebbz Ex Member	Re: How to stop an attack in its tracks w/o meds or o2 Reply #44 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 11:49am The 02 is more compatible with busting as well. You cant take imitrex and bust. All the best thebb
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Reply #45 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 2:12pm

jon019 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:20pm:

Holy shit, I CAN deal with this nightmare and all it takes is a metal cylinder of O2 and the right mask!!!! LIFE CHANGING my friend.

Jon, I´m happy O2 works for you (a chronic CH).

Myself I am episodic, 6 week cycles a few times a year only nights.

Been coping quite well using coffee, and recently found a way to stop attacks without use of coffee, hence the post.

If nothing would work surely I would go for O2, my remark was in no way demeaning O2, just it is not the way for me, as I have found another way to abort attacks which (from what I understand) is even quicker than O2. Hence the "cannot be bothered".

Again, I´m genuinely happy O2 is working for you the way it does, and if I offended you or anyone else this was far from my intention.

My post was only intended to share my experience with relief through rerouting blood to the arms, nothing more, nothing less.

It is a pity to see it has been mis-interpreted all together.

It is also a pity to see that apparantly on this board threads can be hi-jacked and posters can be attacked for their opinion (and I do NOT mean you by that).

A real pity. This board needs a good moderator, or a new board needs to be created where opinions and theories can be discussed openly without the static. (again this does not pertain to you).

The method as described in my first post works FOR ME. No matter what anyone else says or does, it works for me, and I know that because I AM me.

And MY opinion is that methods for abortion or prevention of cluster headache attacks which do not involve any medication (I include medical O2 in that group) are and should be well preferred over any other method.

I´m sure we all just love Big Med like Pfizer, heck as far as I know they may even be on this board promoting their products. It sure does feel like it.

In any case I shared my experience, what the reader does with it is up to him or her ofcourse. Please PM me if you would like help in any way with the abortive technique.

I wish all the longest of PF times-

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Reply #46 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 2:36pm

The Spaniard wrote on Jul 28^th, 2008 at 2:12pm:

jon019 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:20pm:

Holy shit, I CAN deal with this nightmare and all it takes is a metal cylinder of O2 and the right mask!!!! LIFE CHANGING my friend.

Jon, I´m happy O2 works for you (a chronic CH).

Myself I am episodic, 6 week cycles a few times a year only nights.

Been coping quite well using coffee, and recently found a way to stop attacks without use of coffee, hence the post.

If nothing would work surely I would go for O2, my remark was in no way demeaning O2, just it is not the way for me, as I have found another way to abort attacks which (from what I understand) is even quicker than O2. Hence the "cannot be bothered".

Again, I´m genuinely happy O2 is working for you the way it does, and if I offended you or anyone else this was far from my intention.

My post was only intended to share my experience with relief through rerouting blood to the arms, nothing more, nothing less.

It is a pity to see it has been mis-interpreted all together.

It is also a pity to see that apparantly on this board threads can be hi-jacked and posters can be attacked for their opinion (and I do NOT mean you by that).

A real pity. This board needs a good moderator, or a new board needs to be created where opinions and theories can be discussed openly without the static. (again this does not pertain to you).

The method as described in my first post works FOR ME. No matter what anyone else says or does, it works for me, and I know that because I AM me.

And MY opinion is that methods for abortion or prevention of cluster headache attacks which do not involve any medication (I include medical O2 in that group) are and should be well preferred over any other method.

I´m sure we all just love Big Med like Pfizer, heck as far as I know they may even be on this board promoting their products. It sure does feel like it.

In any case I shared my experience, what the reader does with it is up to him or her ofcourse. Please PM me if you would like help in any way with the abortive technique.

I wish all the longest of PF times-

Here ya go sport. It's been a pleasure.

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Reply #48 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 4:59pm

Spaniard,
I believe the boys are letting you know, this is a Clusterhead forum. DJ, our fearless leader, chooses NOT to act as the usual moderator. As you know, Clusterheads can be tired, in pain, feeling low, and even downright depressed. You, too, might find something you read here to be complete bunk, and you may say that.........the point is, in Clusterville, everyone says exactly what they mean.
Your post is a very interesting one....and there will be people who try it and are grateful that you have done this research, coz it just might be of help. They will acknowledge that, and thank you. Please don't be put off by those who are more blunt.......and allow everyone to say what they will.
There's an expression around here........"take what you need and leave the rest".......although I prefer harmony over discord, once I GOT this expression it made perfect sense to me. These same people who have offended you could very well be the ones who step up to give you help when you are in need.that's the Clusterhead family. Thank you, Spaniard, for your efforts in tuning this abortive. I'm certain others will be around to give it a try, and, hopefully, they will give you helpful feedback.
Till then, I wish you MORE PF!
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Reply #49 - Jul 28^th, 2008 at 6:49pm

Spainard,

I'm a 37 year episodic clusterhead. 6 or 8 years back I experimented like you and tried doing squats at the first signs of an attack. After 30-40 squats (took me about 1 minute to do) I'd sit in my cluster chair and breath deeply. The attack would abort in 5-7 minutes. I've got a cluster friend who can jump on his exercise bike and abort attacks. When I fist signed the guestbook ob this site, about 8 1/2 years ago, the guy before me said he ran up the hill behind his house and when he got to the top, no more cluster.

There are many examples of streneous exercise, at the beginning of an attack, aborting it.

The nice part is no meds, no O2, no shrooms, NADA!

Now I'm old, fat and lazy so I suck O2 with good results.

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