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Reply #25 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 10:58am
 
Melissa wrote on Oct 1st, 2008 at 9:31am:
Really?  Is there a candidate running in the general election that has the best interest of the American people at heart?  I hadn't heard of such a person.Didn't know you had to vote on one of the 2 partys.... Hell, Ron Paul withdrew but I'm going to write him in anyway.  Isn't that our right?


Absolutely.

But the two major parties have discovered that they can utilize strong third-party candidates to assure the election of their own candidate.  Here's how:

Directly or indirectly supporting or contributing to a strong third-party candidate who is philosophically closer to the opposition candidate can split the vote for the opposition major-party candidate, resulting in a plurality that favors one's own candidate.  It's actually more effective than raising one's own candidate a couple of ticks in the polls.

Campaign folks have taken this into account--it's how you get oddities like Republican-leaning contributors donating to the campaign of Ralph Nader, or Democrat-leaning contributors contributing to the candidacy of Ron Paul.  Not saying there's anything bad or particularly unexpected about this--just that it's a factor.  

For more on this, and a proposed method of creating a fairer and more representative election process, see William Poundstone's book--"Gaming the Vote".  It's a bit mathematical, but very interesting and enlightening.

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Reply #26 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:07am
 
Melissa wrote on Oct 1st, 2008 at 9:31am:
Agostino Leyre wrote on Oct 1st, 2008 at 9:03am:
Melissa wrote on Sep 30th, 2008 at 9:28pm:
 We will have to change it with the power of our votes on Nov. 4th, all across the board.



Really?  Is there a candidate running in the general election that has the best interest of the American people at heart?  I hadn't heard of such a person.

Didn't know you had to vote on one of the 2 partys.... Hell, Ron Paul withdrew but I'm going to write him in anyway.  Isn't that our right?

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I was being a little sarcastic.  Of course I will NOT be voting for a major party candidate.  However, if you only follow the media, you would not know that there are other "choices".
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Reply #27 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 11:14am
 
Things have got to change.

The fact that that damn bill was voted down on Monday gives me hope.  It's a teeny tiny start.
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Reply #28 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 1:48pm
 
I (want to) believe the “fiasco” in the house of representative was a honest vote, I am realistic
and have the distinct feeling there was more then just genuine and honest ----- for the American
nation, economy and most important of all the people of America…. this was B movie style politics….
and even so the bill was not the cream of the crop, if voted in it would have given a re start chance
for the crippled economy, and a sign that the (so called) representatives do care for the people.
the way the vote went leaves a taste of, we care for our self, and you the people you have just to
do what we say, you just don’t know what you want any way………..

For us Europeans….  I have to say, some head lines today in some of the news papers (in Switzerland)
did again anger me, but then what can I do…. naïveté is human…..  and seasoning it with (what seems)
stupidity…… and you get journalism….. that is just good for serving (the old way) fish and chips
in England…..

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Reply #29 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 2:26pm
 
wildhaus wrote on Oct 1st, 2008 at 1:48pm:
if voted in it would have given a re start chance
for the crippled economy, and a sign that the (so called) representatives do care for the people.

Michael, the fact it was NOT voted in, WAS actually representative of the American people.  We did not want to bail out these investment banks who made bad decisions for their companies and our representatives were flooded with phone calls and emails telling them NOT to vote it in.

Basically, it was a bad bill and it did not address the root of the problem, which, on top of many things, had to do with the falling home prices in the housing market coupled by forclosures.  (correct me anyone if I'm wrong)

I could go into how the federal government shouldn't even be involved in this whole mess, but I won't...
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Reply #30 - Oct 1st, 2008 at 9:05pm
 
No doubt something will get passed. I understand why but nobody really wants to sign on because of the elections. Nothing new there but no matter the outcome, this thing has begun a serious recession for some time to come. Perhaps that because so many of these gumballs are retiring it will affect the vote. I dunno.....

For now:

Wanna sell a house...lotsa luck....buy house, car, restock stock shelves for your business, get a student loan...and on and on...lotsa luck. This thing is monstrous and we're stuck big time. There isn't any assurance that this is the right solution anyway. Sometimes it works like the Chrysler bailout which in the end worked pretty well but not so well with S&L, if I read things right.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rest of us could simply determine fair market value? What deal.....

Charlie

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