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Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Oct 17^th, 2008 at 2:33pm

Hey there,
Sorry if this has been posted already, but as I went in to pick my prescription from Duane Reade (drugstore), I saw they were selling cans of 99% oxygen for 15 bucks. From a company called Bioxygen.

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Now, I'm not sure how this ranks as oxygen goes, but I have been having problems getting some from my doctor so I was really excited to see this as I was in a cluster. I took a few puffs and it helped for a short time.

Just a heads up for anyone having trouble getting 02, and also, does anyone know about these over the counter tanks? Do they work any better or worse than a prescription tank?

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #1 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:36pm

One of the worst scams I ever saw.

From the look at the pictures these cans are smaller than a beer can. Such a simple aluminium or tinplate can cannot withstand a high pressure, so my guess is that it does not contain more than 2 liters of oxygen. For a good reason it is not mentioned how much oxygen you'll get for 15$.

The container can be emptied in less than 5 minutes, giving a flow rate of <0.4 liters/minute, a far cry away from even minimum recommended for CH, 7 l/m.

In one sentence: Something for the suckers that fall for every wellness scam, but utterly useless to abort a cluster attack.

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #2 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:39pm

Actually yeah...In my excitement, I think I spoke too soon. I saw on the site that the cans only run for about 4 and a half minutes...which sucks.

I suppose I am glad to have SOME oxygen around....but no way does this hold a candle to a prescription tank. Not quite a beercan though, more like a thick lysol can. Anyway, I am still going to keep it around as part of my arsenal...you never know.

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shelticon2 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 52 Greensboro NC Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #3 - Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:49pm Can someone tell me. Why in the world is O2 prescription anyway? Jim
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Pixie-elf CH.com Hall of Famer Offline I've tried the rest, and busting is the best! Posts: 517 Beaumont,Tx Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #4 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 1:22am shelticon2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:49pm: Can someone tell me. Why in the world is O2 prescription anyway? Jim My guess? So that idiots can't get ahold of it(being highly flammable), or you have to be taught how to use it so people don't go blowing themselves up.
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shelticon2 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 52 Greensboro NC Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #5 - Oct 18^th, 2008 at 3:13pm If that is true, why can I buy a tank of propane or MAP gas at the hardware store.... I think that is just another way to dig deeper in my wallet somehow. jim
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #6 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 10:34am shelticon2 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 3:13pm: If that is true, why can I buy a tank of propane or MAP gas at the hardware store.... I think that is just another way to dig deeper in my wallet somehow. jim For someone who won't use oxygen you sure got a lot of opinions about it. Potter
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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #7 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 5:08pm

Pixie-elf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 1:22am:

shelticon2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:49pm:

Can someone tell me. Why in the world is O2 prescription anyway?

Jim

My guess? So that idiots can't get ahold of it(being highly flammable), or you have to be taught how to use it so people don't go blowing themselves up.

Oxygen itself is not flammable. Oxygen supports combustion and will make a fire burn much hotter and consume the fuel source much quicker, but oxygen itself does not burn, explode, etc.

or did you mean that idiots are highly flammable? LOL

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #8 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 9:11pm

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Pixie-elf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 1:22am:

shelticon2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:49pm:

Can someone tell me. Why in the world is O2 prescription anyway?

Jim

My guess? So that idiots can't get ahold of it(being highly flammable), or you have to be taught how to use it so people don't go blowing themselves up.

Oxygen itself is not flammable. Oxygen supports combustion and will make a fire burn much hotter and consume the fuel source much quicker, but oxygen itself does not burn, explode, etc.

or did you mean that idiots are highly flammable? LOL

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Funny stuff.

Potter

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shelticon2 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 52 Greensboro NC Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #9 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 10:51pm Potter wrote on Oct 19^th, 2008 at 10:34am: For someone who won't use oxygen you sure got a lot of opinions about it. Potter I've got a lot of opinions about a lot of things. And, unlike you, I am willing to listen and respect the opinions of others without ridicule Jim
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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #10 - Oct 19^th, 2008 at 11:56pm

Potter wrote on Oct 19^th, 2008 at 9:11pm:

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Pixie-elf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 1:22am:

shelticon2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 3:49pm:

Can someone tell me. Why in the world is O2 prescription anyway?

Jim

My guess? So that idiots can't get ahold of it(being highly flammable), or you have to be taught how to use it so people don't go blowing themselves up.

Oxygen itself is not flammable. Oxygen supports combustion and will make a fire burn much hotter and consume the fuel source much quicker, but oxygen itself does not burn, explode, etc.

or did you mean that idiots are highly flammable? LOL

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Funny stuff.

Potter

Noo, I wouldn't know if idiots are flammable or not...

Really...

No idea at all... *hides the lighter*

I need to go test out an idea... Must get some oxygen first...

(Also, I assumed it was flammable due to the signs they made us hang up YEARS ago about how you shouldn't set anything on fire in our house due to oxygen being inside... >_>;; )

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #11 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 2:42am

shelticon2 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2008 at 3:13pm:

If that is true, why can I buy a tank of propane or MAP gas at the hardware store....

I think that is just another way to dig deeper in my wallet somehow.

jim

Jim, you can buy oxygen where you by Mapp gas or propane for your small torch. You use oxygen and the propane, or Mapp, to get a hotter flame. I don't think a regulator would fit, and there isn't enough to kill a hit.

As Gator said, oxygen isn't flammable, it makes other things burn much hotter and faster. It's like making your torch kit turbo, when O2 is added.

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #12 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 2:47am

warnberh wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 2:33pm:

Hey there,
Sorry if this has been posted already, but as I went in to pick my prescription from Duane Reade (drugstore), I saw they were selling cans of 99% oxygen for 15 bucks. From a company called Bioxygen.

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Now, I'm not sure how this ranks as oxygen goes, but I have been having problems getting some from my doctor so I was really excited to see this as I was in a cluster. I took a few puffs and it helped for a short time.

Just a heads up for anyone having trouble getting 02, and also, does anyone know about these over the counter tanks? Do they work any better or worse than a prescription tank?

Have you considered getting welders oxygen? You can go to your local gas supplier and either rent or buy a big tank, and use it at home. Don't tell them you are using it for CH. You are using it in your shop.

Get a regulator for it, which is pretty easy to come by, ebay has them. And get yourself a non-rebreather mask, and you are set. This is a pretty inexpensive option.

Just an FYI.

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Brew Ex Member	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #13 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 7:19am It's called a catalyst: Quote: a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.
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Kilowatt3 CH.com Old Timer Offline 1952 Jag Posts: 300 Lake Charles, Louisiana - USA Gender:	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #14 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am Quote: It's called a catalyst: Quote: a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected. Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process.
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Brew Ex Member	Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen! Reply #15 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:01am Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am: Quote: It's called a catalyst: Quote: a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected. Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process. Okay. Nevermind then. Maybe you could tell us what it is.
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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:15am

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Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am:

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It's called a catalyst:

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a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process.

Okay. Nevermind then.

Maybe you could tell us what it is.

Accelerant

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Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:32am

Potter wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:15am:

Quote:

Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am:

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It's called a catalyst:

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a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process.

Okay. Nevermind then.

Maybe you could tell us what it is.

Accelerant

Potter

If it were an accelerant - something which speeds up the process - the implication is that it (fire) could exist without it. It cannot.

I think Kilowatt needs to tell us what it is since, according to him, it is not a catalyst. Is O2 really "consumed" in the process of fire? Or does it still exist, albeit in a different form (i.e., CO)?

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #18 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:43am

Quote:

Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am:

Quote:

It's called a catalyst:

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a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process.

Okay. Nevermind then.

Maybe you could tell us what it is.

Sure.

It's an "oxidant" - the original oxidizing agent. The second electron shell contains six electrons, but needs eight to be at its most stable configuration, so it tends to try to draw electrons from whatever else is around. That's the definition of oxidation (loss of electrons to an oxidant).

When something burns, the oxygen is consumed in the reaction, becoming part of the oxide. If it was a catalyst, the oxygen would still be there, unchanged, after the reaction.

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Re: Over-The-Counter Oxygen!
Reply #19 - Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:49am

Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 10:43am:

Quote:

Kilowatt3 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2008 at 8:31am:

Quote:

It's called a catalyst:

Quote:

a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

Nope, it's not a catalyst, since it's consumed in the oxidation process.

Okay. Nevermind then.

Maybe you could tell us what it is.

Sure.

It's an "oxidant" - the original oxidizing agent. The second electron shell contains six electrons, but needs eight to be at its most stable configuration, so it tends to try to draw electrons from whatever else is around. That's the definition of oxidation (loss of electrons to an oxidant).

When something burns, the oxygen is consumed in the reaction, becoming part of the oxide. If it was a catalyst, the oxygen would still be there, unchanged, after the reaction.

You musta stayed at a Holliday Inn last night.

Potter

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