Rolo, while I appreciate you trying to help people by trying to get them to understand the benefits of oxygen, there ARE those for whom oxygen does not help, and there exists a magic pill. I'm living a normal life at the moment because of etoricoxib and oxygen didn't work for me. Neither has it worked for DJ.

For Guiseppi I understand that magic pill has been lithium.

This post doesn't mean that I think oxygen is not worth it - I think nearly anything to get the pain away and normalise the life is worth it - but I also think that taking one pill before night is easier than keeping an oxygen-tank with you. Also the oxygen rarely takes away the background headaches. My magic pill does that as well.

- Best regards and PFDAN,
Rosa

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I think some of these high flow rates that are mentioned are a waste of O2.  Your lungs can only transfer so much oxygen to the blood cells and anything left over is exhaled.  All this huffing, puffing and wheezing just has you exhaling O2 before your lungs can use it.  What does it matter how fast or slowly your breath as long as you're keeping 100% O2 in your lungs.

I'm 6'4", 230 lbs. and 7 to 8 lpm works just fine for me.

MrsT wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:49am:


Haha   I have to get into the university first, and that's easier said than done!

But I promise, pharmaceutical grade LSD will be the first thing on my mind after that  

- Best regards and PFDAN,
Rosa

Haha   I have to get into the university first, and that's easier said than done!

Rosa my money is on you!!!

I think some of these high flow rates that are mentioned are a waste of O2.  Your lungs can only transfer so much oxygen to the blood cells and anything left over is exhaled.  All this huffing, puffing and wheezing just has you exhaling O2 before your lungs can use it.  What does it matter how fast or slowly your breath as long as you're keeping 100% O2 in your lungs.

This is why I'm in love with my demand valve regulator. I'm a slow, deep breahter while getting hit. I exhale completely, inhale deeply, then hold it for 20-30 seconds, repeat! A high flow regulator would be spitting 02 into the atmosphere, wasting oodles of it. I use 2-300 pounds per attack out of an E-tank!

Guiseppi

As to the 02 flow rate,apparently there's a difference in vasoconstrictive response to 02 rates in individuals, an example being the difference between smokers and non-smokers.  Dr. Rozen reported in 2005 that 30% of people with CH fail to abort an attack when 02 is delivered between 7 - 10 lpm and that they should not see themselves as oxygen resistant until they've tried 15 lpm.

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I have a really simple suggestion for people:

Use a mouthpiece in lieu of a face mask at least once as a test. Be sure that you are only inhaling through your mouth, then only exhale through your nose. See what flow rate you need to breath as fast as you want to. The whole point I'm getting at is that many people THINK they are getting 100% and they are not - there is leakage of room air with most (NOT ALL) masks.

I did this and found out that 15 LPM wasn't even close to enough. For years, I thought I was getting 100% O2 with my Clustermasx, but I wasn't. For all of those years, I could have been aborting faster.

I now have a mask that fits better and I need way more than 15 LPM just to breath normally - BECAUSE the leakage is gone. At 15 LPM, I now pull the 3 liter bag empty at 1/2 of an inhale, when I didn't before - with the same regulator.

Again, I'm not saying that everyone is like me. I am saying that I spent too many years thinking I was getting the best possible effect and I wasn't. Don't believe me? Spend the $1.00 for the mouthpiece and try it yourself.

In fact, I'm thinking about ordering 10 or more so I can mail them to people to try - just as a test of required flow rate. I'm also NOT saying that O2 works for everyone!

If it saves even one person, one minute of a real K10........

Marc

MrsT wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 7:16pm:


There is no wasted O2 if you are breathing every ounce of what leaves the tank. With a proper mask, O2 goes nowhere but the bag, then into your lungs. Zero waste...... good to the last drop 

I'm willing to admit that I'm a bit dense sometimes, so perhaps I'm missing soemthing?

Marc

What she's saying is that with a demand valve, when you're not inhaling, no air is flowing. If you're a breathe deep and hold guy like me, for the 30 seconds you hold your breath, with a standard 15 LPM reg, air is blowing by you. With a demand valve, there's no waste. Depends on your breathing style during an attack.

Guiseppi

I've knocked out attacks in 6-8 minutes using a Clustermasx mouthpiece at a flow of 10-12lpm.  When I turned it higher, I found that I couldn't collapse the bag and O2 would leak out.  




eta: I don't think that a higher flow rate is necessary for some and vice versa.  It all depends on the breathing pattern and volume, right?

When I started the HF therapy, I could only take 12-15 and over time can now do 40 for 3-5 minutes. I can easily now take 25 constantly. I use the mouth tube and exhale with mouth and nose. I removed the exhale valve portion so the O2 has no restriction at all on inhale. It seems to work good for me but everyone has their own comfort zone. I have found that the less effort necessary to inhale, the more you get in. And for god sake don’t hold your breath! The key is to saturate yourself to the point that you tingle and are dizzy.

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We're still talking about oxygen, right?

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Just lookin at them and I am already feelin better.
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