Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Clusterheadaches.com
 
Search box updated Dec 3, 2011... Search ch.com with Google!
  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegisterEvent CalendarBirthday List  
 





Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Cluster Headache VA Rating? (Read 35028 times)
Norm
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


Thank you CH.com!


Posts: 6
Valencia, CA
Gender: male
Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Jan 4th, 2009 at 12:57pm
 
Hello,

For those of you who are veterans and have cluster headaches - I'm curious what rating they gave you.  I got a measly 10%, which is astounding considering that normal migraines can be rated as high as 50%.  I've tried to appeal and they keep telling me the max for CH is 10%.  I have a feeling that whoever came up with this number does not have any clue what CH's are.  If anyone can provide me with additional information, I would really appreciate it. 

Thanks!
Back to top
  
803615460  
IP Logged
 
CH-HELL
Ex Member



Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2009 at 1:06pm
 
  Hi Norm,  10% is where they start and you could get up to 50% for CH.  They will even give a 100% rating if CH makes you unemployable,  go to your local amvets and get a representative if you want your rating increased.
  You can PM me if you need more info.
    Phil Cool
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Katherinecm
CH.com Sponsor
***
Offline




Posts: 432
Des Moines, IA, USA
Gender: female
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 9:29am
 
I know for sure that they can go up to 100%, my mom works for the VA. We've discussed how frequently she sees CH diagnosis, especially since this most recent thing- she doesn't know if it's just that they are getting to the right age or if all of the head injuries are increasing the number. It can even be rated as service connected if you never had CH before getting in.

The number depends a lot on how disabled you are, and you have to be incredibly thorough and include as much evidence as possible that you have a problem. Chances are if you are disabled from CH you have other diagnoses that you need to include in your application too- things like severe depression, and EVERY other health complaint you have. If you are tired all of the time because of constant CH, then chronic fatigue, insomnia, etc. My guess is that either you are not being thorough in explaining your symptoms at the VA hospital so they don't understand how your quality of life has been affected, or don't understand how bad CH is. This is not the time to be stoic or a tough guy. Educate both of you, and find another person to be an advocate for you. Perhaps a doctor at the VA or I'm less familiar with Amvets, but they may help.

Years ago I posted a bunch of info on how to determine how disabled you are. I'm sorry, at the moment I don't have enough time to look for that info. It seems to me that I got a lot of it from about.com on headache disability and another group that helps migraine sufferers prove they are disabled. Find that info and thoroughly cover EVERY aspect of your daily life that is adversely affected by CH. If you have one headache every night for four weeks one or two times a year and that's your only problem, you are not disabled. You simply need to adjust your lifestyle to work it around your CH. If like the chronics here you have 8+ attacks a day, at varying unpredictable times, you can't sleep more than 45 minutes, you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, you've lost interest in everything because it's very hard to survive, you can no longer support yourself, you are disabled.  The good thing about the VA is that as an organization they are set up to TRY and give you as many benefits as possible, but they can only do so if you prove to them that you need it. It sounds like you haven't. Try again, it's worth it.

*edited for typos and to add that I posted the links to disability rights info from About and MIDAS on my squidoo page, which I haven't updated in years: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 6th, 2009 at 9:33am by Katherinecm »  

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings that have a human experience."  Teilhard de Chardin
Katherinecm Katherinecm http://www.facebook.com/katym katycatcm katycatcm  
IP Logged
 
fly gas
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


No Good Deed Shall Go
Unpunishedd


Posts: 88
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 6:35am
 
What they said, learn the rules, play the game.
If you have a Vets Affairs department at the county level, they are there to help in precisely this way.
Also, go to your Congressman's office, you have no idea the fear of God that strikes to bureaucrats when they see a Congressional inquirey on why they're trying to screw a constituent. I've done that a couple of times, works like magic.
I've always thought CH was part service connected, when I rode with the V/N Vets M/C, three of us had CH in a very small group, odds are staggering.
Should prob put in a disability claim, but I don't, bastards have done more than enough for me already.
Do get free Zomig from them off and on when civilian insurance doesn't want to pay.
Best of luck Bro,
Chris
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
ninja mom
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline




Posts: 586
Gender: female
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:23am
 
The VA will go higher than 10%-up to 100% if you are not employable.  And yes, if the CH started in the service one can get service connected.  I am appealing to have my rating increased from 50% to 100% because of unemployability.  Takes meticulous paper work-descriction of how CH afects each aspect of your life and constant attempts.  Good luck-pm me if you'd like to... I am
a fellow veteran who has service-connected disability due to chronic cluser headaches.

kathy
Back to top
  

Words count, chose carefully.
 
IP Logged
 
Kirk
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


VINIMUS, VIDIMUS, DOLAVIMUS


Posts: 2393
Harts Lake, WA
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #5 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:23am
 
   All the above advice is excellent. I just want to add another good organization to use. The DAV, Disabled American Veterans. Is also an excellent advocacy group.

Smiley
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
kirkevrrt 161860987 kirk_jones511 2607+395th+St+CT+S  
IP Logged
 
DetroitDrillSGT
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


Go Army


Posts: 6
Papillion, NE
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 7:54pm
 
All great info.  I am currently serving at 19+.  I was diagnosed by a doc in Hawaii back in 04.  Really glad you brought this up.  

Good luck

Mike
Back to top
  

-Defend This
1333654377  
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 5:30pm
 
Currently going through the process of trying to upgrade from current VA 10% compensation for cluster headaches. The most you can be rated for Cluster Headaches is 50%. That isn't to say you cannot be rated up to 100% for other disabilities related to your cluster headaches or caused by your cluster headaches (sleep disorder?) or the medications taken to treat them.
The VA rates CH under the same series as migraines (8100 series). A quick Google search should get you the listing of what they consider for 10%, 30% and 50%. To get 50% you have to have an economic reason like missing a lot of work.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Bob P
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Shut up Bob!


Posts: 4573
Clio,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2010 at 7:59am
 
How have they determined that CH or migraines are service related?
Back to top
  

Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.  "SHUT UP HUB!"
WWW  
IP Logged
 
NovellRed
CH.com Junior
**
Offline




Posts: 82
x0|San Diego|USA||0|0|CA,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2010 at 2:22pm
 
I was placed on disability retirement at 30% after 18 years of active service. Chronic CH
At my first reevaluation at 18 months after retirement I was reduced to 10% and discharged.  No change in medical condition, but the fact that I was gainfully employed was the factor they used to stop paying retirement and to discharge me. I was obvious the medical board was looking for an excuse to save Uncle Sam some bucks.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
DetroitDrillSGT
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


Go Army


Posts: 6
Papillion, NE
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:06pm
 
I struggled to stay active and with almost 21 years now, I am retiring...just went through the VA process, so we will see what happens.

Probably would not have made it in service without the insight of some of the people on site!! So a big TY!!

Mike
Back to top
  

-Defend This
1333654377  
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #11 - Mar 29th, 2010 at 5:00pm
 
@ Bob P: They determined I was Service connected for CH because I went to Medical while I was in complaining of headaches and the Doctor that did my final physical got a detailed description of the CH in my record. After I got out I also went to the VA within the first year which I am told is way easier to get that initial rating. Got 10% then Dumb me never challenged it back then even though the description of my rating matched closer to 30% at the time. I was just happy to get to see a doctor as my headaches were getting worse. I didn't even know what CH was until the VA called them clusters and later CIV Doctors confirmed.

@ DetroitDrillSGT - Go to the DAV or American Legion (or other group of your choice) as soon as you get out and get and get them to help you file your claim. I did it myself and wish I had gotten some help. Do it before that first year is up. hadit.com's forums helps a lot with what to expect.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
on my knees
Ex Member



Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #12 - Mar 29th, 2010 at 5:52pm
 
i realize i am late on this, but i got 50 then 100 permemanant,
find  a  good good service officer at the american legion and get all your ducks in a row
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:40pm
 
@on my knees: what were the exact service connections for? Was it 50% for Headache and then unable to work get you special 100%? or did you have multiple Service connected disabilities totaling 100%?
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Bob P
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Shut up Bob!


Posts: 4573
Clio,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #14 - Mar 31st, 2010 at 7:26am
 
or you could just deal with your clusters, get on with life, and not worry about bliking the VA out of money for a condition that has nothing to do with your service.
Back to top
  

Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.  "SHUT UP HUB!"
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bob P
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Shut up Bob!


Posts: 4573
Clio,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2010 at 11:49am
 
Was going to delete my above post but I have no modify nor delete buttons for some reason.  I retract the above statement.
Back to top
  

Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.  "SHUT UP HUB!"
WWW  
IP Logged
 
NovellRed
CH.com Junior
**
Offline




Posts: 82
x0|San Diego|USA||0|0|CA,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2010 at 5:59am
 
Bob P,
No worries about your post. I did exactly as you suggested. 18 years active duty in the US Navy, disability reduced from 30% to 10%, (so I didn't qualify for retirement pay), I got severence pay and a boot in the ass. Lost all military benifits. I was a very bitter guy for a while.
After I got over myself, I started life again. Went minimialist about the Clusters, stopped all medications and made sure I had O2 available always. I went as far as taking a job as a network engineer in a hospital so that O2 was available anytime I was at work. I was at that job 4 years and no one ever knew I suffered clusters!
I refuse to let them be a large part of my life. It is a minor inconvience that I deal with.
Can't say this approach is the answer for everyone, but for me it was the right path. Life is GOOD!
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #17 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 8:54pm
 
Thanks for the retraction. Guess I could have been more clear in how my CH are considered Service Connected besides the fact I went to medical complaining of headaches.

Never had a headache until after I returned from the Gulf (90's). I got the first one about two weeks after getting back in the states. It could have been a coincidence. It could also be a coincidence that  most of the friends I keep in touch with from back then get the same headaches.

I don't know what caused my CH to happen if anything. All I know is when they started and that there is a large group of people I know that got them that went through the same things and places I did.

It is the right of every Veteran to apply for their benefits. They are not easy to get. Their has to be documentation in your military medical records. I had enough documentation to get 10%.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
horsegirl
CH.com Veteran
***
Offline


Cluster Headaches


Posts: 146
x0||USA||0|0|IA,Iowa
Gender: female
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #18 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 11:53pm
 

Bob p ,pay attention to your monkey . Novellred hope I grow up to be just like you .
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Bob P
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Shut up Bob!


Posts: 4573
Clio,California
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #19 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
My monkey gets plenty of attention!
Back to top
  

Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.  "SHUT UP HUB!"
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Kevin_M
CH.com Sponsor
***
Offline


withered branches grow
green again.


Posts: 8754
Michigan, USA
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 8:20am
 
Hughie wrote on Apr 8th, 2010 at 8:54pm:
more clear in how my CH are considered Service Connected

there is a large group of people I know that got them that went through the same things and places I did.


This creates a curiosity, I don't think there is any other particular contingent of common experience or locality with documented affliction resulting.  A contained "large group of people" with CH would be of the rarest find from "same things and places" and should be examined for closer common factors, open also to a variety of things and places that may also confound to consider an incidence service related.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2010 at 7:29pm
 
Just Google Gulf and Headache. You will be surprised how much documentation there is. Unfortunately as most CH sufferers know misdiagnosis of type of headaches are common. Headaches are lumped together in most statistics as if there was only one type.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Kevin_M
CH.com Sponsor
***
Offline


withered branches grow
green again.


Posts: 8754
Michigan, USA
Gender: male
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #22 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 7:20am
 
Hughie wrote on Apr 9th, 2010 at 7:29pm:
Just Google Gulf and Headache. You will be surprised how much documentation there is.


Have you any sites to recommend that mention clusters documented? 
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hughie
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 10
Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #23 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 11:49pm
 
Wish I had the smoking gun for you. Unfortunately I don't have a paper that says that Veterans that went to the gulf and got exposed to....
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
TommyA
Ex Member



Re: Cluster Headache VA Rating?
Reply #24 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 5:29am
 
Go to your local Vet Center (part of the VA) and they can do an initial assesment and then refer you to a local Veterans' group (DAV, etc.) and both will work to get your disability increased.  It may take a long time, but they are usually very successful.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print

DISCLAIMER: All information contained on this web site is for informational purposes only.  It is in no way intended to be used as a replacement for professional medical treatment.   clusterheadaches.com makes no claims as to the scientific/clinical validity of the information on this site OR to that of the information linked to from this site.  All information taken from the internet should be discussed with a medical professional!