Wonderfully written Frammie 

cyberone wrote on Jan 25^th, 2009 at 6:16am:


I guess I am confused as to what value you feel this information has if it is (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) "not a good option".   In all honesty, this idea seems mighty dangerous and possibly could cause more pain for most people. 

Should I post every BAD OPTION I can think of that might give us a little pain relief?

I am sorry if this sounds harsh but with alcohol being one of the more widely accepted triggers, your suggestion sounds more foolish or dangerous than helpful and you are acting like you are trying to help.

With this said, maybe the alcohol idea would be better kept between you and those doctor's researching CH and off a message board where newbies might see it, try it, and end up drunk and getting a kip 10 for reading your "helpful" post.

I am serious though.  If you have found this to work, please email doctors who are researching CH and let them know.  If anyone can gain true value from your information, it would be them.

This is starting to sound like the "cracksmoking" thread...

Cyberone, I think you've got to look at this in the context of a support site for a rare disorder: there's lots of new, desperate people in pain who come here and don't have the energy to sort through hundreds of posts- they may pick up on one or two things and go try it...so we have a bit of a duty to be very clear about what we, as a community, sanction as reasonable things to try.  Remember, a lot of subtleties and nuances of language are lost in a typed post on a computer screen.

As for all the ideas about getting baked or getting tanked, aside from a nasty hangover and depletion of nutrients from an already taxed-out body, what's the point?  I'm very med-resistant, and the only thing that can help me (besides my ADD meds) is heavy narcotics; but I RARELY EVER use them, because it just knocks me out and I lose a whole day.  To me, it's the same as being passed-out drunk or high.  (except that those options are triggers.) 

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I never said it was bad.  It has it's place, just not on this forum.

              Kinder gentler Potter

Acid has its place on this forum, mushrooms have their place, RC seeds, etc.  Clusterbusters is considered a valuable and reliable source.  Hallucinogenic substances obviously have their place in CH dialogue.

I'm sure also, considering the amount of pharmaceutical use among this particular group (not a judgement!) that pharmaceutical remedies for depression, stress, etc. are relevant and acceptable topics on this open forum in regards to how they can make life w/CH more bearable day to day aside from directly treating the pain.

Marijuana is a drug proven to have both physiological and psychological benefits, although not without physiological and psychological drawbacks, like any ingested or otherwise absorbed substance.

In my humble one, if it is relevant and beneficial in making life for a CH sufferer better, it is appropriate for that person to bring it here and expect to be affirmed by those who agree and respectfully disputed by those who disagree.

The dissent in this issue is not respectful.  Value judgements were immediately made and voiced with an air of arrogant moral authority.

Marijuana has shown no benefit, and often triggers CH.  That being said, marijuana has no place in my life, and I feel that there are others who use it unwisely and detrimentally.  But it is clear that it does have benefits for MANY, even using it daily, making it worth the risk of side-effects.

Many intelligent people on this board do as much harm to their body through legal means, such as consuming the nutritionally degraded trash that passes as food these days or using pharmacology to treat psychological, not neurological problems.  But because these are considered legal and even 'normal' they are accepted implicitly, while marijuana draws objection because it is propagandized as inducing morally regressive behavior, which is a gross misrepresentation if not an outright lie.

Law is not based on morality, it is based on political and economic expedience.  Wake up.  Perhaps weed erodes people's work ethic, but that is as much due to the bullshit work we are forced to do in this society as much as it is to do with altering effects of the drug.  You have been trained to avoid marijuana because if you enjoyed it the system may be at risk of losing a little worker ant, and if lots of people enjoyed it the system would lose lots of little worker ants.

Marijuana was placed naturally on gods green earth.  No natural morality could possibly consider it offensive, only a morality built on the idea that we all should work our asses off every day for the man and not enjoy anything that might create inclinations otherwise or fulfillment outside of the material realm.

There is massive intolerance for opinions and lifestyles here and it seems like many of the "old timers" of this board try to equate niceness, openness, and compassion with length on the board, which is utterly irrational, and to be believed require blind and uncritical faith and obedience like that with which those people cling to their world views.  People here are great resources for info on CH but generalizations about the character of these people are inevitably simplistic and deceptive.  No unconditional love here.

Marijuana was placed naturally on gods green earth.  No natural morality could possibly consider it offensive, only a morality built on the idea that we all should work our asses off every day for the man and not enjoy anything that might create inclinations otherwise or fulfillment outside of the material realm.
There is massive intolerance for opinions and lifestyles here and it seems like many of the "old timers" of this board try to equate niceness, openness, and compassion with length on the board, which is utterly irrational, and to be believed require blind and uncritical faith and obedience like that with which those people cling to their world views.  .  No unconditional love here

Ricin is also naturally occurring, as is heroin....your logic is sorely lacking in intelligence. As to "Massive Intolerance"......again, one thread...espousing overdosing on alcohol as a cure for CH....many old timers feel obligated to call BS, for the sake of newbies who haven't learned the basics.

I like Boomers' comparison to DJ's front porch. You're welcome to come sit, chat a while, we'll help you any way we can. You start spreading piles of manure on his porch, don't be suprised if we boot your arse off the porch. It's called life son. As you grow up, it'll make more sense to you.

Joe

I like cake.

  Kinder gentler Potter

Well, Thanks Guys

Looks like a lot of different opinions on this subject, which seems to be the norm of all questions asked, which is what makes this forum so imformative, for me anyways. Thats my opinion.

I'll leave it at that
Thanks to all
Rodoepig - oink oink

Potter, the cake is a lie.

Tony: I freaking love that video. It's so awesome.

memling wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:25am:
You're not suppose to function during a shroom trip.  It's what is does to you the days/weeks afterwards and for me that is cluster-free.  That to me does not defeat any purpose at all.  I don't understand your post.

This thread should be locked.  It's going no where!

Tony,

Now that is funny

lol

LET ME GUESS  Christy.   The big bad copper is afraid of a teeny weeny spider.


Am I correct?