Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Clusterheadaches.com
 
Search box updated Dec 3, 2011... Search ch.com with Google!
  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegisterEvent CalendarBirthday List  
 





Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
vapmaril (Read 1180 times)
marie
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


ouch


Posts: 27
vapmaril
Apr 14th, 2009 at 3:28am
 
i was just wondering what does u are all on??
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
[url=http://lilypie.com]Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register[/url
marie marieellerton  
IP Logged
 
Brew
CH.com Sponsor
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline




Posts: 14163
Re: vapmaril
Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 7:15am
 
I'm on zero mg per day.

But I used to be on 480mg per day.

I don't take it anymore. Mr. Verapamil and Little Elvis didn't play well together.
Back to top
  

"I have been asked if I have changed in these past 25 years. No, I am the same. Only more so."  --Ayn Rand
 
IP Logged
 
Shawn
Ex Member



Re: vapmaril
Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 1:28pm
 
My dose of verapamil was 720mg/day, but it was not having any effect, so after more than a year on it I quit.

My neuro said he had patients who could not tolerate such a high dosage.  Apparently it's supposed to lower your blood pressure quite a bit at that dose.  Mine never changed no matter how much I took.  In fact, I did not percieve any effect at all.  But I'm an alien and that's how I roll.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Callico
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Author of "Stranded at
Romson's Lodge


Posts: 4916
Aurora IL
Gender: male
Re: vapmaril
Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 11:37pm
 
Was on 720/day.  Got some relief, but her side effects outweighed the benefits.  I get the same relief from Kudzu with no side effects at all.

Jerry
Back to top
  

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of dung by the clean end." Texas A&M Student (unknown)
Jerry Callison  
IP Logged
 
marie
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


ouch


Posts: 27
Re: vapmaril
Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 3:51am
 
oh im only on 40mg a day???
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
[url=http://lilypie.com]Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register[/url
marie marieellerton  
IP Logged
 
barry_sword
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


Mountain Biking Keeps
Me Sane


Posts: 3947
Bracebridge, Canada
Gender: male
Re: vapmaril
Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 6:41am
 
Marie, my neuro and I worked together to find a prevent that was going to work for me. We slowly increased my Verapamil to 480mg daily, and after it got into my system it kept the beast at bay for the most part.

Hope you find something that will work for you.

Back to top
  

QUIT SMOKING SEPT. 03 2005
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
 
IP Logged
 
marie
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


ouch


Posts: 27
Re: vapmaril
Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 7:29am
 
is it normal when u first start it for it to make u feel shaky and have palataitions??
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
[url=http://lilypie.com]Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register[/url
marie marieellerton  
IP Logged
 
Brew
CH.com Sponsor
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline




Posts: 14163
Re: vapmaril
Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 7:38am
 
One time my doc tried to take me up from 480mg to 720mg, and I started to experience palpatations and slight dizziness. But at 40mg I would think you probably wouldn't feel it - unless you're an infant who weighs like 15 lbs. And I don't think that's the case. Grin

I could be wrong - cuz I'm not a doctor.
Back to top
  

"I have been asked if I have changed in these past 25 years. No, I am the same. Only more so."  --Ayn Rand
 
IP Logged
 
barry_sword
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


Mountain Biking Keeps
Me Sane


Posts: 3947
Bracebridge, Canada
Gender: male
Re: vapmaril
Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 12:33pm
 
My last cycle I went right on the full dosage of 480mg daily and got myself a trip to the ER as my blood pressure dropped off and I was passing out.

I know now to slowly ramp up as well as taper off slowly, under the watch of my neuro of course.

I did a thread titled "Verapamil Taper" up in the "Medications, Treatments and Theropies" section, give it a read as it might help you in some way.
Back to top
  

QUIT SMOKING SEPT. 03 2005
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
 
IP Logged
 
Bob P
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Shut up Bob!


Posts: 4573
Clio,California
Gender: male
Re: vapmaril
Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 12:38pm
 
240 to 360 to 480, at which point my digestive system shuts down tight.  Didn't have any effect on my clusters.

Doc Robinson, at the Vancouver OUCH convention, said he had some patients as high as 1200 mg/day.
Back to top
  

Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.  "SHUT UP HUB!"
WWW  
IP Logged
 
DennisM1045
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


One wave at a time!


Posts: 3437
Haverhill, Massachusetts, USA
Gender: male
Re: vapmaril
Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 1:09pm
 
Hi Marie,

The last few cycles 400mg a day seemed to be my theraputic dose.  Stuff does wonders for me an knocks out 90% of the attacks.

I suffer with IBS so the verapamil nicely offsets this with its binding effects.

Never saw any troubles with little evlis.

I'd be worried about heart palpatations.  Please bring this to your Drs attention.  He'll probably get an EKG done to make sure your heart rythm is ok.

Verapamil's big problem is slowing the resting heart rate and, at higher doses, affecting heart rythm.

My first attempt at using it didn't gain any relief for me.  After reading some info posted by Bob Johnson I switched from the sustained formulation to the regular formulation.  It means you need to take it three times a day instead of once but the smaller doses really let you dial in the amount that works for you.  Pills come as small as 40mg.  I was taking it 120mg/120mg/160mg.

40mg is a very small dose which I don't think will really help with clusters.  But I'm not a Doctor so what do I know?  Nothing  Wink

Here is the article that Bob posted.  Take it to your Dr so you can get the dosage straightened out.

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Quote:
Brief Communication
Individualizing Treatment With Verapamil for Cluster Headache Patients
Joseph N. Blau, MD, FRCP; Hans O. Engel, FFOM, LRCP&SE
Address all correspondence to Joseph N. Blau, MD, FRCP, City of London Migraine Clinic, 22 Charterhouse Square, London EC1M 6DX, UK.
From the City of London Migraine Clinic.

Copyright 2004 By the American Headache Society
KEYWORDS
cluster headache • treatment • verapamil
(Headache 2004;44:1013-1018)

ABSTRACT
Background.—Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses—720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved.

Objective.—To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly.

Methods.—Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication.

Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction.

Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary.

Results.—Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy—lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn.

Conclusions.—Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Accepted for publication July 19, 2004.

DIGITAL OBJECT IDENTIFIER (DOI)
10.1111/j.1526-4610.2004.04196.x About DOI


-Dennis-
Back to top
  

Where there is life, there is hope.
Where there is Oxygen, you must use proper caution.
So be safe, don't smoke while using O2. Kill the pain and not yourself.
dennism1045 dennism1045 524417261 DennisM1045 DennisM1045  
IP Logged
 
cavalier
Ex Member



Re: vapmaril
Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 8:01pm
 
Hi Marie, I have been on verapamil daily for a year or so (240mg) and from the odd
blip
when i'm prescribed prednisolone it seems to work for me.
But i'm still not sure, cause everyone is oh so different.
Read and listen to these folks on this site, they certainly know what they're talking about unlike ME.
Keep your pecker up.
Colin
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
marie
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


ouch


Posts: 27
Re: vapmaril
Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 3:48am
 
thansk me thinks ill be going to see my dr then:p
Back to top
  

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
[url=http://lilypie.com]Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register[/url
marie marieellerton  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print

DISCLAIMER: All information contained on this web site is for informational purposes only.  It is in no way intended to be used as a replacement for professional medical treatment.   clusterheadaches.com makes no claims as to the scientific/clinical validity of the information on this site OR to that of the information linked to from this site.  All information taken from the internet should be discussed with a medical professional!