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Verapimal and low blood pressure?
Aug 20th, 2009 at 6:40am
 
Should I be worried about taking verapimal when I already have low blood pressure? My doc has me at 80mg 3x a day. I took my blood pressure last night and it was 105/56. Last time I talked to doc on phone she mentioned upping the dosage next appt because I'm still getting HA's. Should I be worried about the BP??

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Re: Verapimal and low blood pressure?
Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 9:56am
 
Not worried (although worry will increase the BP <bg>) but being watchful and report any big changes in BP to your doc.

Verap is remarkable in that CH folks use very high doses--often scares doc's who don't understand CH--but it's very uncommon to hear that this dosing creates problems. Relatively few people have to stop using it. My sense is that the complaint which gains the most attention is a reduce physical stamina/endurance.

But, again, monitoring is your best protection.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).
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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2009 at 6:18pm
 
Thanks Bob!
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Reply #3 - Aug 21st, 2009 at 6:41am
 
I have always had very low blood pressure my record low was 83/55 actually had the nurse look at me and ask if I was alive, poor girl turned white as a sheet when she took it. When she asked me that, I answered, Well yes I am talking to you, then she ran for Doc and another nurse.  We all got a chuckle but at that poor nurses expense. 

Anywho before I ramble too much, I am also on Verapamil and haven't had any adverse side affects, other than a bit of swelling in my ankles (the word cowankles comes to mind...   Roll Eyes   )
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Reply #4 - Aug 25th, 2009 at 9:10am
 
My sense is that the complaint which gains the most attention is a reduce physical stamina/endurance.


I am on Verapamil now and have been for almost a year.  I have definitely noticed a decrease in physical endurance.  Is this effect described anywhere, is it a very common occurrence?  I had gotten pretty involved with running, but after starting my course, found I could do less of it efficiently. 

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Reply #5 - Aug 25th, 2009 at 4:58pm
 
One of the side affects of verapamil is shortness of breath, I can see how this side affect would further limit your ability to run.

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Reply #6 - Aug 27th, 2009 at 1:23am
 
I am also on Verapamil and it does stop my HA's, however, I have to be careful because it takes my BP down until I feel too lethargic.  I must tell you that I am very sensitive to medicine and take very small doses of whatever I take.  I take 10mg all of the time and raise it to 20 mg at the start of my cycle.  As of yesterday, I have raised it to 30mg.  I know it sounds weird, but it has always worked until this time and I had to increase it yesterday because I did break through it for the first time (I'm in my 4th week which is usually the most intense).  I keep a close watch on my BP and get up from sitting/lying very slowly and it helps. Smiley
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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2009 at 8:57pm
 
i am on 480mg a day right now. It has decreased the # of HA significantly but yes it makes me so tired! I have no physical endurance and my ankles are swollen up so fat!!! I guess it will do for now until this cycle ends!!!
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2009 at 11:10pm
 
I have high blood pressure. So this dosen't seem to hurt me . But i'll tell you something this verpermil is wounderful. I was out for 3 day and I paid for it. So far I think I have found something to stop CH's most of the time please try this. I have faith. i know something I will not run out again. Not worth it. Miss all of you please talk to me tell what has been going on. Or just tell me welcome back. I spoke to a mental Dr and she has never heard of CH's I gave her the webpage and she is very interested. well it is 1:16 had only a shadow. not to bad will try to get some rest . Would love to sleep a full night.  Undecided
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Reply #9 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 10:12am
 
Hi I am on verapmal and I am finding after working (which is not too often due to the attacks) my ankles are swollen, my GP says it is a side effect of verapmal and not to worry.

Has anyone else experianced this?
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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 10:51am
 
I have low blood pressure and take 1080 a day.  Every now and then(once a month at most) I get real tired and lightheaded, but most of the time I feel fine(less the clusterhell).
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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 12:07pm
 
The only side effect I've had with verapimil is hiking. two years ago in the mountains i got so dizzy and week that we had to stop the hike because i was afraid i'd fall off the trail. But I wasn't in a cluster, and i didn't take my verapimil that night or the following morning, and I was fine on the trail throughout the day. which is now my m.o. whenever i hike.
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 2:48pm
 
Trizzy wrote on Aug 30th, 2009 at 8:57pm:
i am on 480mg a day right now. It has decreased the # of HA significantly but yes it makes me so tired! I have no physical endurance and my ankles are swollen up so fat!!! I guess it will do for now until this cycle ends!!!


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Waygoing from which the question's directed and as to the side effects, no, it may not be so.  Initial reactions to medication can be more amplified for some time.  A first year period of verap gave me similar side effects. 

When continuing use as chronic, it seems the body can adapt somewhat.  The ankle-swelling went away for me and a normal feeling attained at 360-480mg/dly.   Further adjustments were felt when my dosage increased as needed to 720, but a limiting range of adjustment was felt for me getting into 900 or so, didn't wish to stay there very long.

Increased physical activity and age made higher levels more difficult coping with some fatigue here.  Very gradual tapering up and down can help rather than a quick rise to a new 480/dly, and eventually decreasing gradually as able, but the side effects may not be forever with future times of usage. 

Glad it has helped decrease the hits for you.    Smiley
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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 2:52pm
 
Triz, I am hypotensive, with a normal BP of 90/60, and verapamil was a no go for me.  I got to 240 and was passing out regularly.

As long as you are not hypotensive, then monitoring your BP should be all you need to do - as mentioned - monitoring for dramatic changes.  Your BP shouldn't alter more than 20 points for either systolic or diastolic pressure.

Ginger, my lowest read was 73/34 - 4 people took my blood pressure and told me that I should not just be unconscious but dead LOL.  It's fun to play with the medical community when you get readings like mine....guess it's a small payback for all the times we have to deal with idiots Wink

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Reply #14 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 4:01pm
 
I have chronic cluster and am on Verapamil for almost a year.  In the beginning 240 mg and since 2 months 960 mg/day.  This dose is too much! I am trying to decrease but my neurologist says that Verapamil and other medications for CH (like lithium) helps only on a very high dose.
Side-effects of Verapamil: low BP, shortness of breath, low physical endurance, swollen ankles, fatigue, fatigue, fatigue ...
In combination with Lithium (1000 mg) it decreases the intensity of the attacks.  Now I have to find a balance between medication and the CH!
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Reply #15 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 3:59am
 
Tizzy,

You might want to read the following study of verapamil use by cluster headache sufferers:

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Cat's experience with verapamil and a lift from the above article should catch your attention:

"According to Goadsby, the take-home message of this study is simple: Be sure to get regular EKGs if you are taking verapamil for cluster headaches. Goadsby recommended EKGs within two weeks of changing doses, and because problems can arise over time -- even if the dose doesn't change -- to get an EKG every six months while on a constant dose.

"The tests are not expensive, and they are not invasive," he said. "They are not in any way a danger to the patient."

For the most part, Goadsby said, should a cardiac problem arise, it will typically go away once the treatment is halted."

No such problems using oxygen therapy at flow rates that support hyperventilation as an abortive...  You'll still have the cluster headaches but the frequency and intensity will drop, and the abort times are fast. Best of all there are none of the really invasive side effects...

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Reply #16 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 1:54pm
 
I was recently put on Verapimal and have low blood pressure.  I felt very sluggish and found it hard to breathe but I was also on a course of prednisone at the time, so it was hard to tell what was causing what.  When I finished my steroids I still felt lousy but had not had a headache in 7 glorious days.  I consulted my Dr. & he told me I could stop the Verapamil.  2 days later  at around 6:30 pm I had the worst hit I had experienced in 5 years, a real 10.  I decided to take the verapamil again and get in to see the Dr. early the next week, so I took a pill at 9:30 pm.  Once my pain subsided I went to bed and at 11:15 got up, went to the bathroom & on the way back to bed my face suddenly felt really hot & I remember thinking "this isn't good".  The next thing I rememberd was my wife trying to wake me up.  I was out for only about 20 seconds but it scared both of us.  After a night in the emergency room and more than a few tests (as well as trying in vain to explain what cluster headaches are - ugh - but that is another story) it was determined that the Verapamil caused a sudden drop in my BP and caused me to pass out.  Needless to say I am off it but it did work as a preventative.  Just keep in contact with your Dr. if you feel "different" and be very clear in your explanations.  I am on another course of prednisone and I am feeling some of the same side effects as Verapamil but none of th relief.  oh well.  good luck
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Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 8:30pm
 
jay wrote on Sep 2nd, 2009 at 10:12am:
Hi I am on verapmal and I am finding after working (which is not too often due to the attacks) my ankles are swollen, my GP says it is a side effect of verapmal and not to worry.

Has anyone else experianced this?

Yes... my feet and ankles are like little balloons. However I've been almost 2 weeks Pain free!!!! AND i had drinks at a wedding last night with NO Headache. so not going to complain about my water filled feet right now.

However... kind of gross subject but has anyone experienced constipation due to verapimal? I am having a lot of trouble with that!!
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Reply #18 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 8:40pm
 
Well now that you mention it... Smiley

Ya I have been a bit stopped up at times from the verapamil.  A mild stool cushion...  Grin  ...softener should help with that though.
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Reply #19 - Sep 7th, 2009 at 9:10pm
 
Happens too.

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