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Nov 25th, 2009 at 3:48am
 
first of all, sorry i didn't search the forum to see if something similar has been posted- i am having a really awful headache right now and didn't want to look through.

my mom was diagnosed with cluster headaches a few years ago.

i am a 23 year old male.  for the past 3 weeks i have been having excruciating headaches 1-2 times almost every night.  usually one between 10pm-12am, and then one at 5-6am.

no precursor like nausea or sensitivity to light.

they are on my right side only
i feel a lot of pressure behind my eye, like it's being pushed out.  the pain radiates down to my neck/shoulder sometimes.
it makes my eye droop a little bit, and i tear up.
but i don't feel like it's a knife in my head like a lot of research has told me.  it's more of a constant pain, not terribly sharp, doesn't pulsate or throb at all...  it gets really bad shortly after onset, and then peters off over the course of the next couple hours- but it stays at a constant level until it's suddenly gone.

i don't get the nasal stuffiness that i have read about with CH- though sometimes it feels a little numb, but still breathing through it.

i usually have to hold pressure on my head, or put ice on it, or take a hot shower...and i do pace around.

but after watching youtube videos of cluster headache sufferers, i don't feel like my pain matches theirs.  i can usually work through it...it does make me moan, but i dont rock back and fourth and get loud about it.

i used to get a lot of ear infections as a kid and a doctor has said i have a high tolerance for pain after looking at a particularly bad one when i didn't even feel any pain.

what do you think?

my mom referred me to her CH doctor and he is going to run some tests in a couple weeks when i return home for college break.

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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 7:27am
 
First of all hello!

You seem concerned because you don't "tick every box" - don't be. None of us do! Also it morphs and mutates and things change, you can't second guess. It's hard to compare pain too because we all react differently. I rock and stuff but I don't walk about. I can't, I have wafty bones and I am not stable in an attack and I tend to fall over and break bones so I sit still or kneel or whatever. I am far more "restrained" than some people but that doesn't mean I suffer less or more, just that I'm different

We all are, what works, what doesn't work. How we react, nothing is the same for any two sufferer's really. It's like the ultimate designer headache which is a big part of why it's so hard to diagnose I think.

Whatever tests get run, the top of the list is an MRI. With pain this severe you can't rule out other more insidious conditions and it's essential for anyone seeking a diagnosis to have one. I really can't stress that enough.

In the meantime, keep going with ice or heat and you might want to try strong coffee or energy drinks such as red bull (buy cheaper versions though as that stuff is horrifically expensive!) You need to drink both at first symptoms and drink them pretty quickly too for them to be effective. Caffeine is a vaso constrictor and since CH is a vaso dilating headache it does a lot to reduce the pain.

I hope you can get a diagnosis quickly and some effective meds to help you - Oh and this bit is important - please, even if the pain stops - still have the tests etc.
If it IS CH, it will come back. I want you to be ready.

Let us know how you get on

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Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 8:27am
 
   WELCOME TO THE FAMILY JOSH!

  PLEASE READ UP ON THE O2    IT KILLS THE PAIN FOR MOST OF US.
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Reply #3 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:07am
 
Hi Josh,

Welcome to the site and, from the sounds of it, the family.

Helen's advise above is spot on.  Follow through with your Neuro even if the attacks stop.  This way you'll have a plan of attack ready and waiting for the next cycle.

Self education and a knowedgable Dr are a real beast killing combination.

josh b wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 3:48am:
but after watching youtube videos of cluster headache sufferers, i don't feel like my pain matches theirs.  i can usually work through it...it does make me moan, but i dont rock back and fourth and get loud about it.

Not all attacks are the same and they vary quite a bit.  That is why there is a pain scale that we use called the "Kip Scale".  See the link on the left hand side.

For me, a K10 is a very rare thing.  Not unheard of but something I don't experience often.  I thank God every day for that.

Though rare, CH can be passed down in families.  My Father had them and one of my Sons is showing signs too.

Good luck and let us know what you need.

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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 1:08pm
 
Hi Josh-
It sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree!  Through the generations, there have been 10 of us in my family with clusters, though some are still young and not in a pattern yet.  It has been interesting to watch the similarities and differences among the family members.  Someone should study us!

I'm so sorry this has to be your fate, but it sure sounds like it.  My daughters worry about it, too, though at ages 23 and 26, they still have no indications (fingers crossed).  You have an advantage, as I did, by growing up with it (your mom) and knowing what it is and that it won't kill you.  I can't imagine not knowing anyone with clusters and being hit with them!  It must be terribly frightening!!!  We use to fuss at my mother (teasingly) about what we inherited from her family and her response was always the same, "The only thing I could have done differently is just not had you."  So there...

Read on this site!  Get to a specialist!  But you already know this. 

Good luck!
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Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 3:04pm
 
We are here for ya Josh!  Your online "extremely large, opinionated, goofy, optimistic" family. Smiley

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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 10:18pm
 
Welcome aboard, Josh!

I would echo what Helen said.  The only thing I would add is to look into O2, and be ready to tell your Dr what you want to do about it when you see him, and don't take no for an answer if his DX is CH.

I don't generally have nasal stuffyness either, although my sinus tends to drain down my throat during a hit.  I also don't tend to rock and moan, and rarely pace.  Most of the time I curl up within myself, mentally at least, and make myself as small as I can.  On the higher level hits I will sometimes end up on the floor.  All I'm saying is that there is no typical response to CH.  None of us get hit the same way, so none of us can react in the same manner.  Don't let that be a determinate factor.

Keep us posted on how you get on.  We're here for you anytime.

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Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2009 at 1:21am
 
Hey Josh,

Well you're getting the usual buncha good advice from the forum loons regulars, so I see you're in good hands.  Smiley

I'm with LeLimey/Helen on the issue of being prepared - you wanna have some effective abortive(s) on hand before you ever get hit with a high kipper.

And tell your ma not to be a stranger here!  Smiley
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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 3:20am
 
so, the worst i've had is what seems to be a 7 on the kip scale.

got one right now at 1:18am

think alcohol is my trigger.

my roommate has a stimulant he gets for ADHD, which is a vasoconstrictor, but i don't really want to be up all night.   Embarrassed
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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 3:25am
 
Alcohol is an almost universal trigger for CH'ers when they're on cycle....getting headaches. Avoid alcohol for now. Sadly, most of our vaso constrictors are also stimulants, energy drinks with Caffeine and Taurine....cafergot, strong coffee........as many others have mentioned, that's another advantage of the oxygen route. All the vaso constriction...none of the "awake all night!" Hnag in there, doesn't matter where they fit on the KIP scale...headaches suck. Cry

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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 4:10am
 
Josh I can drink two cans of red bull and go straight to sleep. A hot cup of coffee will have me snoozing before I finish it at night! I don't know if I have a huge tolerance to caffeine or if its a "CH" thing.
I do know I'd sooner be awake and painfree than go to sleep and BOOM..

I have to echo what Guiseppi said too - alcohol is an almost universal trigger when in cycle. There are people who can drink in cycle but it's a minority. Sticking to pepsi will help in more ways than one!

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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 9:27am
 
I find that suger-free red bull is easier to sleep after than the normal kind or coffee.  Maybe you could try that too?
It sounds really rubbish for you. Sad
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 9:57am
 
At the beginning of this cycle a can of Red Bull would have me up for hours.  Now I can sleep pretty soon after downing one.  I guess I'm getting used to it.  Coffee never keeps me up.

Please stay away from alcohol during a cycle.  For me, MSG is also a trigger.  Both make my hits much higher on the Kip scale.

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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 11:46am
 
It is looking a lot like I am the last evil resident around here.

In your season go see if you can drink 1 beer, and wait. This with in 30 minutes should make you sorry you listened to me, but it will confirm if you have CH...

Don't have 2 beers unless you really like to suffer hard.

The 30th was my birthday, and I am in season, so I had 2 beers knowing I was going to get hit anyway...

There are no train tracks in my little rural town but right on time two freights ran thru the bed room and my head...

Oh Well.... It is just pain. We've all been there before.   Shocked
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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 6:19pm
 
to mac I can drink durn my cycle and for me it takes longer than the 30 mins or less but the pain will come and it will come hard. As is the season where partys are a plenty I tend to stay away but as I say to each their own just be ready to suffer  Cry
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Reply #15 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 6:51pm
 
Hmmmmm.  Giving alcohol to the beast makes him verrrrrry happy.    It is something I wouldn't do. 

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Reply #16 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 11:45pm
 
A point might be that if the OP finds 1 beer wipes his head out, then it might lead to knowing these are CH and not migraines...

When my season begins i may have a beer and before it is gone I can tell the trigger was pulled. If i stop drinking that beer I just might escape that night, but not for many days there after. It is a sign of what is forth coming.

I never have more than 2 beers on a given day OUT of season, so it isn't a big problem to go with out.

As to me, I like to mess back on the beast, even if I take a whippin'.

Jeannie, What, no sence of adventure?

I figure if I am gonna pay I might as well play. I don't do this every day, but I did on my birth day the 30th, as I hit 58 and am racing to 60 i guess from here on out.

I was gonna take the hit anyway, so why not...?

The beast wins one, and I win one and this is how it goes.

I am about ready to turn night into day, which the beast hates.. It likes to mess about in the night, and i will change my life habits and reverse the clock and the beast will loose more battles than it wins....

Being episotic allows for this in my personal case. Beats dancin around moaning any day, not that I never do that.

I take my beatings just like you do, but maybe I get angrier than you do. I treat it like some wild alien with in my body, and try my best to beat it as much as it beats me.

In the past here others have called me all sorts of things for doing this here, and so this is just my way to deal with it.

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Reply #17 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:32am
 
We all make choices, and as long as a) we're willing to live with the consequences, and b) those consequences don't hurt any innocent bystanders, I say have at it. Knock yourself out.
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Nope.  Not one ounce when it comes to the beast.  I am the most cowardly Clusterhead you'll ever meet.

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I'm with you, Jeanie!
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Reply #20 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:28pm
 
Oh well.... maybe I am the last barbarian too..

Just once I'ld like to choke the bejeepers outta that beast with my own 2 hands.. 

These CH's just don't fit in my life style. In most posts I don't understand half of what is said in medical terms.

Reading here I learned how to kill the beast one battle at a time. Like I said, I win some and loose some. I can't quit, so I have no choice but to fight.

Like all the others there are times where I don't function well, but I stiill function some. Can't quit, can't stop, can't run, and can't hide, but I sure can fight back..
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Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:28pm:
Just once I'ld like to choke the bejeepers outta that beast with my own 2 hands.. 


Did someone say bejeeber? bejeeber?  Cheesy

Regarding alcohol: I'm nowhere near being a glutton for punishment, which is why I'll go nowhere near any alcohol when in cycle!  Shocked
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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #22 - Dec 4th, 2009 at 9:37am
 
Mac,

We could argue till we're blue in the face about this alcohol debate.   I respect your opinion and hey, you aren't hurting anyone in choosing to drink in cycle. ( except yourself )

Let me just say though, that I don't quite understand your logic.  I could see if you were choosing to participate in an activity that made your pain worse but, in the long run, chased the beast away.  THAT would be choking the bejeepers outa him.  In my opinion, you are just fueling the fire.

In what ever decisions you choose to make, I wish for you  many PF days ahead.

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Josh,  Sorry to hijack your thread.
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Reply #23 - Dec 4th, 2009 at 11:28am
 
Mac - you're quite right. YOU do what's right for YOU!
It might not be anything I understand... but I will support 100% your right to live your own life!

As to not understanding some posts, please ask! I hate the idea of someone not getting info that they could really benefit from just because the verbiage is a little dry. We will help you, we want you to be as pain free as possible and I for one don't want you needing a dictionary to get there (Cos being a shorthouse I need all the dictionaries to stand on!)

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Reply #24 - Dec 4th, 2009 at 6:43pm
 
bejeeber wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 11:56pm:
Mac_Muz wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:28pm:
Just once I'ld like to choke the bejeepers outta that beast with my own 2 hands.. 


Did someone say bejeeber? bejeeber?  Cheesy

Regarding alcohol: I'm nowhere near being a glutton for punishment, which is why I'll go nowhere near any alcohol when in cycle!  Shocked


Uhh,,,,, sorry, I was just trying my best to not swear.....  Undecided

And to all, no don't take it as i set about sippin on a frosty any time I want. I did that once, and it was my B Day.

I figured I was going to take a hit or two and I figured why not just get on with it.

last night I stayed up till 2AM, because the demons have been coming for their vist then. Well they just came later at 4. I got up got dressed and went out into the cold north wind, walked to the barn and sat in a chair breathing 02 till it was over.

Then I went for a walk around the garden, or what is a garden in summer time in the moon light. After that i went back and did a bit more O2, and returned to bed.

I feel kinda froggy today, but the battle ended in a draw.

The hardest part was trying to figure out 'How To' get dressed..  Huh

The new part was hyperventilating, which has just become my next new weapon..  Grin

So far for me the O2 methods work and work pretty well so long as I can be movin' fast enough.

I avoid any and all drugs to abort, but have some on hand. I find that with me, taking these just adds weeks for my season.

LeLimey , yeah I don't always understand med terms so well. I am a long hair country boy at 58 years now going on 14. Just think of a cheap biker tramp and you peg me.

To earn a living I move metal one way or another. Cars, constuction, machines, even something called Trade Silver, which today is considered jewelery, but in it's day was money.

When something is broken I just go head on in to it, and it's no different with the CH head. Sheer Bull Ignorance.

Thanks I'l keep you in mind when a word comes up, I can't quite figure.

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