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Jun 17th, 2010 at 5:07am
 
Since i've joined a couple days ago I haven't said to much, a thought or two, just mostly reading, reading, reading...  thinking.  I don't normally open up to new people very quickly even though my first couple posts were quite blabbermouthish.  But after reading a number of peoples posts and watching a few videos and whatnot, I felt a little overwhelmed at first but at ease about the whole thing, more relaxed than i've ever been about it.  It's hard for me to talk to people about this, most end up lookin at me as if im exagerating the whole thing.  They either try to blow it off like they've been there before, wave their hand dismisvely and toss some crap remedy at you.  Some try to help by bringing you a menagerie of drugs that work for them, and its like you either take them and say thanks or tell them its not the same thing as what you delt with, thank but refuse them, they end up leaveing hurt and rejected...   -=sigh=- 

But I really didnt feel that way here so I let loose a little.  Well im gonna let loose a little again cause everyone else is asleep at the moment.  I've been hit free for the last 3 days since i was directed to this site.  Like I said before, ive been reading and thinkin and tryin out new things.  Been dealing with this after being diagnosed at the time that there wasnt much that I could do cept cope and try the drugs he handed me, knowing full well he didnt know much about theese headaches.  Either way, the three weeks or so prior to joining CH, I was dancin every night, 3 or 4 times and they were only getting worse.  I was starting to dip into K8 and ive been scaring the sh*t outta my new wife, I swear I told her about this many times, but again, how do you fully prepare someone for this? 

Either way, shes back there sleeping and dreamin that I was sleepin with her and here I am, 4 am, wide awake and terrified to sleep in that bed, cause as long as I stay awake they dont come for me.  But ive been awake for those 3 nights, but hit free. 

Im taking a gamble and heading to bed, im "drooling on the keybord" tired.  Im literally scared to the verge of tears to go there and take the chance of waking the beast sleeping in my head, I know he's still there, he's been snoring at a Kip 2-3 for the last three days, I DONT want to wake it up.  But I got some new weapons to use against him this time, who knows, maybe I'll kick HIS ass for a change instead of him mopping the floor with me.

Just needed to get that off my chest.

Perry
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 5:24am
 
Hope you get some shut eye Perry... Wink have you looked into melatonin for those night time hits, I know it offers some great relief for alot of people on the board.



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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 5:42am
 
hiya perry,

I to had been pain free for the last 3 days, but just like last thursday morning arnd 4am, the beast re-visited! Just a nudge to wake me from my sleep, then Bang!!!! I'm BACK!! Luckily i keep my meds beside my bed, so straight in with the Imigran jab, I managed to time it this time, 7mins from waking, to aborting the pain. Thankfully, I manage to go bk to sleep, but on waking I know i've been hit. If the beast behaves as it did last week, I'll have another 1 tomorrow morning around the same time, luckily tho, I'm only being hit once a day, but as I say, thats 1 hit too many. Anyway, just hope you managed some sleep at least. Kick it's ass at every oppurtunity

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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:03am
 
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But I got some new weapons to use against him this time, who knows, maybe I'll kick HIS ass for a change instead of him mopping the floor with me.


Did you say somewhere what those new weapons are? Just curious.
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:14am
 
Take Lefty's advice, try out some Melatonin for a good nights rest.  I use to take 9mg 1/2 hour before bed and i'd sleep like a baby with no night time hits.
Some use more or less.

If you haven't been to a good pain management specialists or neurologist yet, check into it so you can be diagnosed and to rule out other things.
Once that happens, then you can get on the correct meds or plan to handle the clusters.  The first thing I would ask about is oxygen at a high flow rate (15LPM or higher) because this is the HOTTEST abortive you'll find on this site.  Even if you get those night time hits, you can hit that tank and go right back to bed.
There are some many options that you'll read about, you'll just need to decide what is best for you.  Not every option works because we are all different.  Just ask questions and we'll try to answer.

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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:19am
 
paula banyard wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 5:42am:
hiya perry,

I to had been pain free for the last 3 days, but just like last thursday morning arnd 4am, the beast re-visited! Just a nudge to wake me from my sleep, then Bang!!!! I'm BACK!! Luckily i keep my meds beside my bed, so straight in with the Imigran jab, I managed to time it this time, 7mins from waking, to aborting the pain. Thankfully, I manage to go bk to sleep, but on waking I know i've been hit. If the beast behaves as it did last week, I'll have another 1 tomorrow morning around the same time, luckily tho, I'm only being hit once a day, but as I say, thats 1 hit too many. Anyway, just hope you managed some sleep at least. Kick it's ass at every oppurtunity

Tc

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Paula, have you read about the Imitrex tip on the left column of this page?  You can get 3 shots out of one.  When I need Imitrex, I only use 2mg (out of a 6mg injection) at a time to abort.  Not only do you save, but you have less of a chance to get rebound headaches.
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Reply #6 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:27am
 
Hey Perry,

I do know what you're going through - I get hit almost exclusively at night time, so like you I stay up really really late - too scared to go to sleep.  But one thing I've noticed over time is that I tend not to get hit so much on the nights my man comes over (3 nights a week).  At first I thought it was 'cos of his snoring... then this morning I was thinking that maybe its cos on the nights when I'm home alone I sit up real late drinking coffee and smoking like a chimney... he's a non smoker so I try to keep my self nice around him.   Anyway just a thought...do you smoke??  I gave up for a good 10 months last year and had no hits during my cycles - just shadows??? but then I was taking verapamil mmm...

I copped a hit this morning around 5am and slept through the initial stages, so it took a good 45mins on the 02 to kill it.  Still better than in the past.

This is a frightening, dreadful thing to have to deal with, but I hope over time - and with the information you're getting things will start to get a little bit easier.  BTW I use to smash my head, roll around in pain, cry, scream etc etc but nowdays I try really hard to relax - I breath hard and wiggle my feet  Roll Eyes and I think not getting too stressed helps.

Sorry for rambling on your post,

Hope you get some relief and sleep real soon,

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Reply #7 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:35am
 
You're doing a couple of pretty smart things. Sharing here with us, get that stuff off your chest, cuz many of us will have had similar experiences, some will have had identical.

Reading like a mad man. It gets said a lot here...but still not enough....plopping your butt in front of a doc and saying "fix me" is a guaranteed recipe for years of pain. Educate yourself, then work with your doc. You've got a great supporter, me thinks you'll do just fine with this. Wink

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Reply #8 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:39am
 
Hi Perry,

When I'm in cycle, more than ninety percent of the hits I get are at night.  Weeks after the cycle's over, I find myself waking up every time I go into REM sleep throughout the night.  Gunshy, I suppose.  And why not? 

I think dread of sleeping is one of the nastiest aspects of CH.  For some conditions that people have, sleep is a refuge from pain, and a relief.  For us, it's Russian Roulette.

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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:45am
 
George wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:39am:
  For some conditions that people have, sleep is a refuge from pain, and a relief.  For us, it's Russian Roulette.



 
George, that is one of the best analogies I have ever read
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Reply #10 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 1:29pm
 
Well.  No hits lastnight.  Actually I woke up at 11am, slept like a log.  I dont even have shadows today, feels good, but im not elttin my guard down yet.

My weapons now are, O2, Cafergot, Melatonin, Prednisone.

The O2 has been really helpfull even though i know im not doin it totaly correct, its still havenin a big impact.

The cafergot..   wasnt so sure, was working then all of a suddon it wasnt anymore.  Typical for theese headaches, they follow patterns untill you touch it with somethin then it bounces all over the place like a loaded spring.

Melatonin didnt do much for me at first, only took 5 mg.  but lastnight I poped one of them AND a cafergot together.  did a lil lookin around and found out that melatonin generation increases when used with cafergot or the like vrs just useing melatonin.  From what I read between 125% to over 200%.  So maybe the combo of the both did it this time.

Im a smoker, big time.  2 packs a day of camel wides for YEARS.  the last couple years me and the wife ditched cigs for Djarum clove cigars.  Still has tobacco but its like fractions less and since i've switched, no more wheezing in the middle of the night, no more hackin up my lungs in the mornin or when I get a cold.  Granted, not better than quittin, but better than where I was by far.  Besides, they smell a hell of alot better, not to mention they only come 12 to a pack instead of 20.  But during my cycles my smoking drops to just a few a day.  Yeah ive deffinately noticed the connection between smokin and theese things..   ive tested and tested that many times.   wake up with one, get rid of it, smoke a cig and go to bed.  Wake up with ANOTHER thats worse, get rid of it, smoke a couple hits instead and go to bed.  Wake up again, but with somethin mild by comparason, get rid of it, smoke NOTHING, go to bed.  The next time I wake up its so lite i can get rid of it eaisly.

Well im about to head for the neurologist and see what he has to say about theese things, ive got about a half a trees worth of info printed out. gonna see what happens.

I'll keep you posted.
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Reply #11 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 1:41pm
 
Crossing our collective fingers for ya! Please do let us know how it goes.

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Reply #12 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
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The O2 has been really helpfull even though i know im not doin it totaly correct,


Can you tell us what it is that you think you're not doing correctly?  A lot of us are experts using 02 and maybe we can help.
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Reply #13 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 6:07pm
 
Paula, have you read about the Imitrex tip on the left column of this page?  You can get 3 shots out of one.  When I need Imitrex, I only use 2mg (out of a 6mg injection) at a time to abort.  Not only do you save, but you have less of a chance to get rebound headaches

Thanks for that Chad but not sure how I'd manage as I cant see whats in them. Fortunately for me, living in the UK I dont have the worry of having to have medical insurance etc like so many of you here. At least our government does something helpful lol. I do have to pay, but only a fraction of what the medication cost, so I take what I can get and some cycles I really get my moneies worth!!!!!! Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 6:10pm
 
Night time hits were always the worst for me....always kips 10's lasting up to 3hrs, going and coming back again Sad

I started taking Melatonin 3mg back in November 2009 & since then over so many weeks have increased in to 12mg (i take it about 20/30min before go to bed)

For the last 2wks i have had No kip 10's at all....have woke up once with a kip4 but puffed on the O2 and could go back to sleep.

I have always been a "not good" sleeper...go to bed about midnight ish - wake up 5-6 times (when not in cycle) get up 6.15am.

When in cycle i would "try" to go to bed at usual time....but would of been in pain on & off for the whole day. I would nod off slightly to be woken at 1am ish with a kip10 - this would be like this for the last 2wks or so of a cycle.

I STILL dont sleep through with taking 12mg (wake 2/3 times ish) BUT i get back to sleep much quicker and its a deeper sleep!!! And so far, so good, it seems to have knock the beast on the head for night time hits.

I dont know if i have sleep apnoea but i suspect i do because i have a deviated septum (to the left) and my CH is always on the left - never changed sides since i was 15yrs old. The only difference now is that i used to be seasonal 2/3 times a year and since Jan 2009 i have been chronic...in cycle most of the time with up to 10days PF before it starts again.

5wks ago i finally got a script for o2 & the injections - i also use the supplements Kudzu - Magnesium - Melatonin. This is all that i use.

The o2 as been amazing for me & as worked brilliantly for the days time attacks - i feel like i'v got my life back now...

I used the injection for the first time last week when it got to a kip 7. I was very nervous about it but injected into my stomach area and it worked within 10mins (though i felt "odd" straight away - pains in limbs/hot/light headed) though i have been told this is common and it did pass.

I was completely PF for the rest of the day - absolutely LOVED it!!! Its been a long time since i felt "nothing there" 
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Reply #15 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 10:17pm
 
Steph 45 - very glad to hear that encouraging report!

Especially considering where you were coming from with the K10s up to 3 hrs.  Shocked
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Reply #17 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 1:02am
 
sorry I havent posted the last couple days, got home late so didnt get a chance.  That and I own an auto salvage yard so I got to play catch up today for missing the last few days. 

Well, with no insurance, the visits to the neurologist will have to be on an as needed basis.  But I did walk out of there with a bunch of new stuff.  My orders are as they read.


1-Discontinue Cafergot useage

2-Wean off Caffeine...   Im addicted to Mt Dew.  2-4 liters a day easy.  She told me to back off the stuff cause apparently Caffeine will mess with some of the meds we use.  she said most especially the Imitrex.  It even messes with Melatonin generation from what I seen at Drugs.com.

3-wean off the cigs...   yeah well I knew that one was comein.  And I know it messes with our type of headache, ive tested that and found out myself.  Didnt mention Alcohol, I dont drink anyways...   anymore...

4-water.   which I dont drink NEARLY enough of..  why?  see order number 2

5-verapaml CR 240mg per day

6-high flow O2...   she prescribed 12 lpm but it still means I end up with the high flow reg and that will go more if I need to.  And as far as not doin the O2 right, well that was because I dont have the right equipment yet.  I was useing my torch tank O2 and I just dissasembled the wand, was regulating the flow by hand.  Air tight wasnt a prob, I think my breathing needs working on.  I have a horrible tendancy to hold my breath during my attacks.  Pain does weird things.

-Prednisone taper...  Started with 3 days at 80mg
she gave me 3 more days at 80, 3@60, 3@40, 3@20, and 3@10, then quit.

-Imitrex SQ...   now theres a problem with this system that i noticed...  they are Needless injections.  Think Star Trek Hypospray.  Its the whole 6mg and I dont think you could do 2 even if you wanted to..   one use only injector.  But she game me 8 injections right off the bat for free..   what a nice lady    Smiley


I think the needless injection thing was my fault.  if ida kept my big mouth shut I might have gotten the others...   but it came up just how much I loath needles so now I got these.  As a little little kid, my mother would always take me to a certain doctor and the first thing he would want to do is, TAKE BLOOD, TAKE BLOOD, TAKE BLOOD...  It didnt matter if you had a frickin sniffle, the bubonic plague, sprained ankle, a fart in your brain, it was always the same thing...   TAKE BLOOD!!!  Now when your 5 or 6, and its almost 30-years in the past...   imagine how big that needle is that this specific "man" is ALWAYS coming at you with, is...  use some re-bar, might be smaller!!!   The phobia or whatever it is, has gotten better over the years as it never is quite the way you remember...  Tongue

Either way, I got all these goodies now and no CH's for the last 5 days to try them on, almost sounds like im itchin for a fight...  believe me, im NOT.  My cycle started on May 15, ive never had a cycle end this short before...   EVER.  Mine always push 3 months, give or take a week.  The first three days I had a constant shadow all day, it would wax and wane from a 1 to a 3.  It even quit for about 5 or 10 minutes a couple times, Pulsing before it left, but always came back.

yesterday, not much.  Most of the days have been totaly free, cept today..  a handfull of times i felt a tingle in my neck and eye, the eye always feels a lil icy when it does that.  I know its not really cold, but it feels that way slightly, thats how i know.  Its almost like the beast is tappin on the inside of your eye with an icy finger once in a while just to say, " HEY!..   -=sadistic grin=-  You didnt forget about me, didja?"  -=goes away with a lil chuckle=-

Steph, I know what you mean about the K10s in the middle of the night, in my cycles for the first few handful of years. more oft than not half-way into my 3 month set I hit peak and rode that way to the abrupt end, day or two of light hits, shadows then...  nothing.  after peak i doubt i ever had anythin less than a 5 or 6, but mostly on the higher end of the scale and at night.  9s and 10s were common for me in those days..  If my mother were still with us all today she could tell you about nights I would lay at her feet and BEG her to make it stop.  My family has always been religious, and so am I...  I honestly felt, at least on those nights that the devil himself was tryin to kill me.   My cycles have changed since those days, thankfully I dont hit 10s on that scale anymore.  I had one or two this cycle, but mostly smaller, not sure whats changed really, have many theories..  to many to go into here.  I am sooo glad you are NOT there anymore, anywhere but there..   Im hopein more for you.

George, I think im gonna have to agree with Chad on that one...  i think im gonna put that one on my profile quoted by you, if thats cool. 

Guiseppi, my gut reaction is to immediatly say, you have no idea how liberating it feels to vent this scary sh*t off my chest...  but then again just about everyone here knows, wether its from the inside, or from the outside..  so I wont.  And yeah, ive "seen" some of those peoples experiences, and felt my heart drop cause it was like dejavu or something.  As long as people dont mind me ventin once in a while...  i"ll try to keep it short...  Tongue   give me a keybord and a 55000 character cap and I could really say a few things...  lol

oh yeah...  as far as sleeping has been.   In the last three days, I have slept uneventfull, like a ROCK.  The first night I didnt wake up untill 11am, i was really tired.  she literally had to help me into bed, I could hardly keep my eyes open from forcin myself to stay awake.  But I already had a few meds in me by that time so, the next two nights were normal sleepfull nights.   I still dread goin to bed thou...
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Reply #18 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 10:31am
 
hee hee now that you're prepared the beast is runnin' scared.

When it comes back (which it invariably will do  Undecided) you'll be well and truly ready.

Good luck, hope the pf nights are here to stay for a good long while.

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