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Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
I'm not in cycle right now, but wanted to ask a question of all sufferers.  Am I the only one who has in-laws that refuse to believe I have such a condition like CH's?  I have some who insinuate that I make them up just to get attention.  I cannot tell you how MAD that makes me!!! Angry  I just can't see why on earth I would want this??  It just baffles me!

Who else has this problem?
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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:14pm
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:22pm
 
Sorry that was short
I' ve been chronic all my life and people just dont understand the pain
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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:29pm
 
It's OK MDR.  They know about this site, but I think the fact they cannot "see" me in pain, makes them question it.  I remember how a friend of the family came into my home with her family when I had just ended with a CH.  I was sitting in the front room, experiencing the after effects with one eye shut and a bit of rocking while sitting.  She sat down in one of the chairs and just stared at me until I was able to speak again.  She didn't see the attack itself and I think after that, she doubted that I got any severe HA's.  It's like seeing the last 2 minutes of a movie and making a judgement based on that!  Anyway, to get to my point, her and her husband and kid hung around my husbands aunt, uncle and cousins a lot after that, and their attitude toward me changed.

Fast foward to now.  I feel like my honesty and character are under attack all the time due to that one instant 3 years ago.  Just because of that one instant, other aspects of my personality have been under question.

I almost feel like there has been a label automatically slapped on me!
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Reply #4 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:55pm
 
when i tell people what i go through they look at you like a deer caught in head lights I tell them go see it on u- tube
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Reply #5 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
And if they don't believe? The issue is not changing them but understanding why it's so important to you. Right now, you are under their control....not a good place to be.

Baseline: their ignorance produces arrogance--and there is no solace there for you.
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Bob Johnson wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 1:42pm:
And if they don't believe? The issue is not changing them but understanding why it's so important to you. Right now, you are under their control....not a good place to be.

Baseline: their ignorance produces arrogance--and there is no solace there for you.

Thank you for your perspective Bob.  I really needed to read that!
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Reply #7 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 3:40pm
 
You know you get CHs and you know the agony you go through. People here know exactly what it's like to go through a CH. So if some other person decides that it's all something you are making up then it's them who has the problem, not you, just like if they decide that the world was made by a flying spaghetti monster despite all evidence to the contrary.

Just concentrate on what really matters, that's you and the people who are important in your life.
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Reply #8 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 3:53pm
 
Thank you Mike!


Everyone, you know, I've been around here for awhile, and even though I've seen a lot, I still need some reassurance at times.  To be honest, even though the pain is horrific, I am blessed toI belong with a fantastic group of people here.  I love this family.
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Reply #9 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 4:26pm
 
Mel,

Your husband knows and still loves you.  We know you and still love you.  As to the rest, they try to make themselves feel better by making you out to be less than you are.  They lose, not you.  They lose your respect and confidence.  They lose the friendship and fellowship they could be having.  What have you REALLY lost?  Hanging around a bunch of self-centered, self-absorbed people who cannot see beyond the end of their noses. 

There is an old saying, "there is none so blind as he who will not see" that fits.  They don't WANT to see, because if they really did they would feel an obligation to do something to help, and they don't want to put themselves in that position.

I may be to harsh, but I really don't think so.

I think Bob gave you some very sage advice. 

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Live in and accept your husbands love and let the rest go.
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Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 7:50pm
 
Mel,
Sometimes, I don't understand the ignorance that some people show.  As a supporter (and you know that I've been on a different train with my daughter), it baffles me why someone would doubt you or anyone else.  Yes, I understand that there are some people who try to *amplify* their pain in order to get sympathy, but why in the hell would someone lie about this level of pain (or any pain for that matter).

Keep this adage in mind, "You can cure ignorance, but you can't cure stupid".

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Mike NZ wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 3:40pm:
if they decide that the world was made by a flying spaghetti monster despite all evidence to the contrary.



What evidence to the contrary!!?? ARE YOU INSINUATING THAT THE WORLD WAS NOT MADE BY A FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER??!!  Angry

Seriously though,  Melissa your in-laws basically sound like a bunch of class A jerks.

Of course most people don't care to try to comprehend what CH is even if it is clearly described to them. Let's face it, people are jerks about things like this, and many of us, like say ...me...for instance, would quite possibly be behaving the same way if we had never experienced CH.  Sad

I don't tell anyone about my CH unless I absolutely have to - I've heard enough of the "it's probably sinus headaches", etc.


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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #12 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 12:49am
 
Hell I cant believe that I have such a condition as CH. After a few hours pain free I wonder if it wasnt imagined myself.
No one can feel that much pain and survive.

Mel I am often asked by friends and family but seldom talk about CH with others.
When they ask hows your headaches?  I say they are fine thanks. (I dont tell them they are the finest, most exquisite and purest form of pain one could ever imagine, but I want to) Some expect but dont get a long sad story.

I have decided its impossible to relate the pain and trauma we experience to others.
Human nature makes people, especially close people, talk amongst themselves.
People left to their own devices will figure it out if they wish. And if we dont provide details to the more talkative types they will either decide its worse than imagined, ridicule or ignore it. Thats their problem.
We have it made knowing there is a pain of such extremes that wont kill us.. Its like a cool secret that transcends all the little pains in life. Like a trip to the mountain and back with a view that only we can see.

Such is life.
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Reply #13 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 2:55am
 
bejeeber wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:59pm:
Mike NZ wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 3:40pm:
if they decide that the world was made by a flying spaghetti monster despite all evidence to the contrary.



What evidence to the contrary!!?? ARE YOU INSINUATING THAT THE WORLD WAS NOT MADE BY A FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER??!!  Angry


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The flying spaghetti monster is about as valid an explanation for the creation of the universe as several other explanations, although I must admit to having a preference to the explanations with a grounding in physics myself.

MJ wrote on Oct 25th, 2010 at 12:49am:
Hell I cant believe that I have such a condition as CH. After a few hours pain free I wonder if it wasnt imagined myself.
No one can feel that much pain and survive.


Before I was diagnosed I remember reading up about CHs after being prompted by my better half as she thought it was a good match to what I was going through. But I rejected it as I didn't believe I could have something like that. It's "other people" who get things like that, not me. I do find it hard to imagine that level of pain once a CH is over, however that could easily be a coping mechanism I have.
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Reply #14 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 7:55am
 
Hey Mike, who says the flying spaghetti monster and physics are mutually incompatible? One tells us who, the other how. Personally, I think the universe is a bowl of good pasta and sausage. But that's just me. Cheesy

As to why we care what others think? We do. Our instinct for self-preservation and the need to self-defend rises upon challenge. And we want sympathy, or empathy if you prefer, from others who are important to us. Knowing we want such things, and such things being either good for us or helpful are not the same thing at all.

Don't forget that pain is both pesonal and relative to the individual. That means when I am in pain it trumps any other pain anyone else might be feeling. I only get a glimpse of your pain when I experience something similar. While we don't wish CHs on our worst enemies, we do want them to understand we are not experiencing mild discomfort but life altering trauma.

Will we succeed? Probably not for most. But it is worth working with our dearest and most loved to find a place of mutual support and understanding.  Blessings! lance
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Reply #15 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:07am
 
This is a tough one Mellissa. Obviously my wife and daughters understand, they've seen me at my worst. The rest of my family have occsionally tried to understand, but when I hear myself trying to explain the pain, I'm almost embarrassed at what a whiney little baby I sound like!

Bob makes an excellent point...as a man..it used to be VERY important for me to try and make others understand that MY pain was the worst! Now I realize, that A: It's a waste of time to try to explain my pain level....and B: When I need to vent I have my wife and this board who actually understand, and for me, that's enough.

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Reply #16 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:36am
 
My fiance understands,she has seen first hand. But there is not another person in my family that has any idea. They are concerned that I have this pain and say they understand but they dont have a clue. They need to change the name of CH becuse as soon as you mention headache people think take a couple pills and take a nap and you'll be fine.
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mikstudie wrote on Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:36am:
My fiance understands,she has seen first hand. But there is not another person in my family that has any idea. They are concerned that I have this pain and say they understand but they dont have a clue. They need to change the name of CH becuse as soon as you mention headache people think take a couple pills and take a nap and you'll be fine.


C'mon, it's JUST a headache! Cheesy

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Reply #18 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:45am
 
What fantastic repsonses!  I am glad I started this thread, because for me, as well as everyone here, support from those we care about is so very important to our mental health.  It is agonizing when someone we thought understood us, and were close to, turns out letting their ignorance dictate our relationship.  And I find that very sad! 

Thank you all!  Smiley
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Reply #19 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 11:04am
 
Mel, theres not a family member in the world or anyone that can understand unless they have felt CH or have seen a full attack,thats just the way it is. The name "headache" makes people ignorant. I dont blame people when they dont understand ( I wouldn't). How do you explain to someone that you had a bad headache last night and had to walk around the neighborhood for 3 hours chuging red bull and chain smoking. Cheesy Grin  Take a Excedrine and quit pissing and moaning,it's just a "HEADACHE"  Cheesy
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Reply #20 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 12:24pm
 
((((HUGS)))) Melly...

I don't even try to explain it to anyone that doesn't live under my roof.  Sure they've heard I suffer from "headaches".  But I feel like I'm wasting their time and mine in trying to explain it any further.  I start to feel like I'm whining.

Coworkers see me get hit but don't ever see me dancing with a screamer.  That's due to fast aborts from having Oxygen right in my cube.

When family is over, which is quite often, I dissapear and come back in a bit after another successful abort.  That's due to having Oxygen in my bedroom.  Most of the time no one, other than Andrea and the kids, even realizes that I was gone.

I am completely satisfied with the support and understanding of my immediate family and this one.

If you are looking for validation, don't look farther than those you live with.  It's just not that obvious to anyone else and there is no profit in trying to make them understand.

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Hi there Melissa

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Guiseppi wrote on Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:40am:
mikstudie wrote on Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:36am:
My fiance understands,she has seen first hand. But there is not another person in my family that has any idea. They are concerned that I have this pain and say they understand but they dont have a clue. They need to change the name of CH becuse as soon as you mention headache people think take a couple pills and take a nap and you'll be fine.


C'mon, it's JUST a headache! Cheesy


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Reply #23 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 3:17pm
 
Mel,

I know we try our hardest to not be seen when getting hit, and you said one of your family saw you in the aftermath and didn't think much of it.  For quite a while I didn't go to church at night when in cycle (before chronic) because I always got hit during that time of night.  One Sunday though I got hit during the Sunday School hour.  I wasn't teaching that day, so I slipped out the door and went into an adjoining room that was empty and was pacing it off.  It only hit about a K5, so it wasn't all that bad, but one of the kid's mother came into the room and saw me.  She knew I had CH, but had no idea what it involved.  After seeing me walking holding my head and trying to be quiet she realized I DO have a serious medical condition.  She wouldn't believe it wasn't a bad one, but what she saw was enough that the whole church soon knew I was dealing with some SERIOUS pain issues.  She was able to empathize and has become a great supporter. 

I'm not suggesting you let the family see a bad hit, but if they were to be around during something it might give them just a bit of understanding.

I still try to stay out of sight if I'm getting hit at church, but I don't stay away any more if I can make it because most of the folks there have a better understanding of what it is.  They also know I can empathize with some of their medical issues which gives me a point of outreach to them.

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Reply #24 - Oct 25th, 2010 at 8:08pm
 
are you sure that if it wasn't this,it wouldn't be still for them/him/her(whoever) something else again on and on?

it's one thing for one not to be able comprehend the level of pain or the cause of ch making wrong assumptions along the way and another thing for one to insinuate making them up just to get attention(much much worser and shows that there is already something else beneath thats is not established sympathy at least).

just a thought.hope i am wrong

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