Lieutenant2 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2010 at 3:47pm:

   I'll eat yours.

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Nah, Joe. . .it's actually the other way around! I started on the CH train at roughly the same time I went vegetarian, so I'm sure as hell not finding and relief! I'm not planning to go back to being a carnivore, for other health reasons. . .but this guy was saying that being vegetarian can cause major issues with serotonin, hypothalamus, etc.

I was just wondering if there were any other veg-heads here? No? Beuller? Beuller?

C'mon, Jerry. . .I was thinking a little deeper than that! As in, lack of tryptophan in a diet leading to CH? Low amounts of B-vitamins, maybe? I'm certainly not going to debate the merits of eating meat / not eating meat here, just wondering if I'm the only vegetarian in the world who started getting CH around the same time he/she stopped eating meat?

But you should pick up a copy of Michael Pollen's book, "The Omnivore's Dilemma", anyway. It's a great read!   

bejeeber wrote on Oct 29^th, 2010 at 8:24pm:

That ain't lettuce in his freezer... I never knew how much Buffalo meat one could cram into a freezer 
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Still have CH and I'm Not Vegan or Vegetarian I eat a healthy diet of meats veggies and grains light on the dairy 

There might be something to the Vitamin B thing. I posted a thread about vitamin B6 being necessary to the production of melatonin, a precursor for GABA, and how taurine eats up B6. A lot of the B vitamins (like niacin) are part of a chain that is involved in neural health. I take a super B complex every day, and while I don't know if it did anything by itself, in combo with other things I'm not going to stop, it seems to help. Anyway, bite the bullet and and a turkey sandwich and see if you get better. You can always go vegan again later. Or, try the B complex thingie. Blessings! lance

I've been thinking a bit about all these little symptoms that might combine to form the perfect storm.

Had my first attack last year at age 32 - and back then was eating meat about 2x / month.  Even though I eat more meat now, this year's cycle was A LOT worse.

I'm slightly hypothyroid, and I just had blood work done during my last CH cycle indicating that I'm also slightly anemic.
Which means that my blood is not able to deliver an adequate amount of oxygen.
Iron, found in meant, helps with this!  Of course, Iron can be found elsewhere.
But I don't doubt that there is a connection between lack of oxygen triggering or causing a suitable environment for an attack. I doubt it causes CH on its own -

Make sure you eat well!  and take good care of yourself.
there's an excellent cookbook that I swear by:
How to Cook Everything Vegetarian
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And actually, a few more about cooking with whole foods which might help:

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Bon Apetite, pain free of course!

Hi,

I started CH when I was about 18/19, went vegetarian around 20 (after reading Peter Singer's book 'Animal Liberation' - changed my life  ), now 41 and have been eating some fish only since I had my son 8 yrs ago.  I don't know if it affects my CH, they have changed a lot in the past few years - less intense hits/more shadows.  I'm putting that down to better management and maybe just maybe because I'm getting older....

I have suffered from depression in the past but rather than diet I'd have to put that down to life situations and possible family history of depression....   I also suffer from fibromyalgia which is not great - but again have not read anywhere that that is connected to diet....

I think being vegetarian (hard to call myself that these days due to the fish but anyway) produces many more health benefits than deficites - and makes me personally feel better about my global footprint etc etc

Not sure that any of that is helpful to you....  kinda nice to know that there are a couple of other vegies about tho' 

Kate

Lessee here, I was vegetarian for 4 years starting in high school, then carnivore for 4 years, vegetarian for 6 years after that, carnivore for another 4 years, now back to vegetarianism again.  CH first hit me while I was eating meat and hasn't seemed to change at all with my wacky eating patterns, even when I was flirting with pure veganism.

...and just as a side note for those say "cavemen didn't evolve incisors for eating only veggies", bear in mind early humans had a 50% infant mortality rate and a life expectancy of 35. Living like they did might not be the best idea.

msussman wrote on Nov 7^th, 2010 at 1:58am:


I dunno.  We had a pretty good gig as neolithic, omnivorous hunter-gatherers.  Other than the vagaries associated with weather, big hairy critters, and unfriendly neighbors, it was a pretty good life--three hours effort a day on average satisfied ones needs.  There was a lot of time to relax, make stuff, goof off, and invent intrigues and mayhem.

It wasn't until we began to commit agriculture that things went south on us--hierarchical organizations, poor nutrition, laboring from dawn to dusk for "the man", various and increasingly complicated forms of indenture.  You know the drill.  We even managed to persuade ourselves that it was a good thing to work for some fatcat or another until we dropped, and that we liked it.  Very odd.

Of course it's way too late to do anything about it now.  At this point it'll take some sort of technological deus ex machina to restore any sort of balance to our lives, and those who would lose power over the rest would resist it with every fiber of their being.  We're basically screwed.

Not that any of this has anything to do with whether or not we choose to eat our vegetables.   

Best,

George