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Reply #1650 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:05am
 
Hello Everybody!
It's been a while but I thought I'd drop a line.  I have been PF for three years now, though that's not unusual (through my lifetime I've noticed I get the beast on average every four years). I've been on Batch's vitamin D regimen since my last cycle. The main thing I want to say is this: During the summer months I cycle a lot and I cut back on vit D since I'm in the sunlight for anywhere between 1-1/2 to 4 hours most days. During the past two years in the late fall when I am spending more time indoors I've noticed that I've been hit with shadows (increased muscular tension, a bang or zap up the side of my head that feels like one starting but then immediately stops) - like a new cycle is building all over again.  Since, as I've said, I get the beast on average every four years this is a bit disturbing. In each instance I've ramped up the vitamin D to 10-20,000 IU a day (along with the other vitamins Batch recommends).  Interestingly, and thankfully, after a couple days the shadows go away. During this Fall transition time I sometimes forget to take it for several days and I notice the shadows return; when I get back on the program they subside.
During the past three years I've checked in on the forum from time to time to catch up and have been please to see that many have been helped by the vitamin D etc. and I thought it about time to share my experience.
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Reply #1651 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
Mike / Hoppy
As always a great source of information and you have kind of confirmed my frustrating fears...  Angry
I have just started an increased dose of the Verapamil which initially reduced my attacks but left me with low level KIP pain... Doc and neuro hopes the increased dose will replicate the interruptions. As I sit here in pain with a burning and drooped left side face and numb left arm it's hard to think that this will let up.... Keep up the great work
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Reply #1652 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 4:00pm
 
Hey Gary,

Thanks for the update and great news...  Controlling the beast with the anti-inflammatory regimen the way you have for three years should serve as an incentive for a lot of CH'ers who have yet to try this regimen.

Take care and thanks again for the update.

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Reply #1653 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 10:29pm
 
Slacker, thanks for the for the info and the link. I am definitely going to look deeper into it. I am going to talk to a doctor about getting me started on it and maybe some Imitrex shots or nasal cuz the pills sure didnt work. After reading up on the D3 a little more, I decided to start on the accelerated system because I'm pretty much indoors at all times with no direct sunlight. I will update as I feel changes. Today was actually the first time in my life getting hit 3 times pretty bad, but I am sure not giving up before giving it a hell of a shot.  Cool
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Reply #1654 - Jan 22nd, 2014 at 11:20pm
 
I also thought I would share that a very strong cup of dark coffee actually seems to help reduce the duration of my hits better than chugging down a can of Red Bull. I then apply a cold pack over the right side of my forehead and over my eye. It also seems to work if I apply the cold pack to the right side of my neck.
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Reply #1655 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:43pm
 
SO. I saw a doctor today and spoke to him about getting some meds for my cluster headaches (verap,Imitrex and such). He had no clue as to what I was talking about and literally told me he was lost and had never heard of Verapamil, LOL. Atleast I was able to get him to refer me to a Neuro, so I got an appt. at the end of next week. Got hit once pretty bad today, but just once   Cool
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Reply #1656 - Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:56pm
 
TheAndyT wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:43pm:
SO. I saw a doctor today and spoke to him about getting some meds for my cluster headaches (verap,Imitrex and such). He had no clue as to what I was talking about and literally told me he was lost and had never heard of Verapamil, LOL. Atleast I was able to get him to refer me to a Neuro, so I got an appt. at the end of next week. Got hit once pretty bad today, but just once   Cool


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Reply #1657 - Jan 24th, 2014 at 12:15am
 
slacker032 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
TheAndyT wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 11:43pm:
SO. I saw a doctor today and spoke to him about getting some meds for my cluster headaches (verap,Imitrex and such). He had no clue as to what I was talking about and literally told me he was lost and had never heard of Verapamil, LOL. Atleast I was able to get him to refer me to a Neuro, so I got an appt. at the end of next week. Got hit once pretty bad today, but just once   Cool


Make sure you ask for a prescription for oxygen up to 15 LPM.


Or higher, I can abort in 5 minutes using 25lpm but it takes about 12 when using 15lpm. This is pretty common where higher flow rates result in faster aborts.
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Reply #1658 - Jan 24th, 2014 at 12:59am
 
Hey Andy,

When you see your new neurologist, be sure to ask for the lab test for 25(OH)D and tell him you've started the anti-inflammatory regimen to prevent your CH...

I wouldn't be surprised if your neurologist thinks you're speaking in tongues when you tell him how much vitamin D3 you're taking...  so be prepared for push back on taking this regimen...

With any luck, you might even start responding to this regimen before you see him...

Take care, check your PM inbox and please keep us posted.

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Reply #1659 - Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:27am
 
Slacker, Mike and Batch... I will do, thanks for the advice. You shall be kept posted.
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Reply #1660 - Jan 24th, 2014 at 3:22am
 
Hey TheAndyT, its good to hear you have started on the accelerated D3 regimen.
When I went to see my neuro after having started the regimen, i printed some posts from Batch about the regimen and took them with me to show him, he was a bit sceptical at first but he has since told me that he has since visited this site and has learned a lot from it. I told him that he could give my contact details to his other CH patients if he thought the regimen could help them, amazingly he has done that and 2 of his CH patients have contacted me and are now on the regimen and responding well. He has also prescribed me some home oxygen and he has also prescribed it to his other patients. This site and Batch's knowledge and eagerness to share are far reaching with neuros expanding their own knowledge and more importantly learning that drugs don't have to be used for all ailments  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #1661 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 9:10am
 
Thierry. I am happy to read how the help just goes from one person to another. I too will be printing out some pages from Batch and taking them with me to the neuro, with any luck it shall be a smooth process. 

Batch, I don't know if this is even possible or not but this idea came to me and I thought that maybe you would have some input on it. Since I do not have any O2 just yet, is there any kind of breathing pattern I can perform while in pain to help reduce it with just the room air around me?
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Reply #1662 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 1:27pm
 
Hello Batch!  Just recap for you:
Started: mid Sept
Sept 25 - 86 nmol/L
Oct 11 - 170 "
Nov 8 - 373 "
Dec 18 -155nmol/L
PTH 3.1
Incorrect Ionized Cal 1.22
Correct Ionized Cal 1.21

Jan 17 -178nmol/L
I'm still Cluster free Batch Smiley I'm so very overwhelmed and thrilled, I can't thank you enough  Smiley


I agree that our environment does play some kind of roll, somethings perhaps we can't control.  But what we can control is our diet, I do believe all of the processed foods out there, may aggravate our chemistry.  I try to follow the GROMBS and keep away from the processed stuff as much as possible. 
Just wanted to let you know, all is good and next Neuro appt is April 1st (hopefully less snow by then). Dr Stewart Reid already has a copy of your regemin, I'm looking forward to seeing him CH FREE!
Thanks Batch, your the greatest! Cool

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Reply #1663 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 1:53pm
 
Thanks Sue!  Glad to hear that you're doing so well. 

Update for Batch:

So I stopped taking the Calcium Citrate on 1/13 and started 500 mg of curcumin on 1/17.  Happy to report that my hits have drastically been reduced for the past few days in both quantity and severity. 

I've only experienced one minor nighttime hit in each of the last three days.
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Reply #1664 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:25pm
 
Sue,

Thank you for the kind words, but we wouldn't have come this far learning the benefits of the anti-inflammatory regimen and its effectiveness in preventing CH without the help of CH'ers like you all over the world.  You've all provided valuable feedback on your response to this regimen along with the very important 25(OH)D status.

There's another potential benefit from going in for this lab test... involving your PCP or neurologist.  The more PCPs and neurologist who observe the benefits of the anti-inflammatory regimen in preventing CH with at least 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 the better. 

Moreover, when PCP's and neurologists observe that vitamin D3 doses like this are effective in preventing CH and that these doses result in a stable 25(OH)D serum concentration around 80 ng/mL, (200 nmol/L) without any indications of vitamin D3 intoxication, they're likely more inclined to suggest this treatment to other CH'ers.

Sooo...  Thank you, and thanks to all the other CH'ers who have provided feedback on their experiences with this regimen.  Thanks also to the CH'ers who have taken the time to answer the questions in the online survey of CH'ers using this regimen.

Take care and thanks again.

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Reply #1665 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 3:09pm
 
Slacker,

Thanks for the feedback on the change in your CH patterns after dropping the calcium supplements from the anti-inflammatory regiem. 

I've gone over the survey data and 25% of the 110 CHe'rs who completed this survey were using verapamil when they started this regimen.  That percentage holds for the both the 19% who failed to respond to vitamin D3 and the 81% who did.

Accordingly, there's no clear evidence one way or the other on the possible impact of calcium supplements on verapamil's effectiveness.  That makes your comments very important for other CH'ers who start this regimen while taking verapamil and fail to respond.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #1666 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 4:58pm
 
Hi Batch or others!  Just a quick word, can someone tell me were to locate the survey for CHer's trying the Vit D regimen, I don't think I've completed it as yet. 
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Reply #1667 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
Hi Sue,
The link is to your left on this page.

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Reply #1669 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
Hey Sue,

Here's the link to the survey of CH'ers who have taken the anti-inflammatory regimen with vitamin D3 for a month or longer:

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You can also find it in the following link:

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I just bumped it to the top of the stack.

We still have 65 CH'ers who started this survey but never completed it... 

Not surprisingly, the majority of them are episodic so it's reasonable to assume their CH episodic cycle ended and they went on with their lives. 

The good news is their surveys are still open and they can complete them at any time just by clicking on the link above.

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Reply #1670 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 12:19am
 
yes im one of those that haven't done the survey yet.
well, ive had a shocker of a week,  been on regime for 6 months, been 4 1/2 months of relative pain free.
was getting groups of shadows, nothing over kip 2 and aborted with red bull, only 1 imigran in that time, out of fear as it was 4 shadows in one night.  have played with the fish oil and magnesium levels over that time to see if that fixed the shadows, as well as baking soda and the nuts and berries and mushrooms.
1 week ago, I got a kip 4-5, aborted with red bull and cold pack, then a couple a day since then all kip 5 ish
luckily 3 days ago I went for my blood test which I get the results in 2 days with my doctor.
ive consistently taken 180 mg verapamil and was looking at weaning off only last week, but reluctant while shadows are around and now the ones abit more than shadows. this is my danger time of the year, I know this because this time last year was HELL
the funny thing is, ive been taking 10,000-15,000 vit d3 all this time, but over the last week, when I titrate up to 20,000 dose of d3, the next day I don't get the kip 5 hits.
because I haven't had a test for nearly 4 months ( ive been slack ) I haven't just continued with the 20,000 vit d3 dose because I was worried where my levels were.
I was originally 41 nmol and after the accelerated regime course I got up to 193 nmol, but that was 4 odd months ago.   im hoping that when I get the results they will show that my levels had dropped under the green zone and this will be a good indication for others or for me that the regime was definitely working, and a good test will be to increase my intake and I should get to a p/f state again.
you cant believe how nervous I am waiting till Thursday and hoping for a low d3 count,  if its not a low count, then I guess i'll have to see whats changed or what else I can do.
kip5 is still a hell of a lot better than what I had, but, it still damn uncomfortable !
i'll post up my result ( as another shadow makes an appearance as I type !!!!!!)
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Reply #1671 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 2:27am
 
Hey Colin,

Thanks for the update and don't worry about the survey until you've tuned the regimen and have a good handle on the beast.  You also bring up an important point...  Tuning the vitamin D3 intake in this regimen may be needed during the winter months.

I know what you're going through and have also titrated up to 20,000 IU/day for the last two months... I checked my logs and I did the same thing last year...

I suspect the low sun angle in Winter combined with repeated exposure to grand kids with colds and flu over the last couple months have taken their toll on my 25(OH)D reserves...

I'm a chronic type so did a burn-down test of my 25(OH)D reserves around Thanksgiving for the first two years after starting this regimen taking 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3. 

My 25(OH)D serum concentration is usually around 82 ng/mL at that point...  7 to 8 days without vitamin D3 and the beast comes a calling... I'm glad I didn't do a burn-down test this year...

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Reply #1672 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 5:12am
 
thanks for your reply batch,
           it will be interesting to see what my levels are when I see the doc on Thursday, It was great timing to take the test, just as the beast started to rear its head, i'll let you know what the result are.
I understand what you mean about winter months depleting vit d levels,  funny thing is though that here in Melbourne Australia, we are right in the middle of summer and I work outside and am fair skinned and getting a lot of sun at the moment.  but on the other hand, pryor to me starting the regime, I tested 40 nmol, so I guess I cant guarantee I can actually absorb it, or enough of it just relying on the sun alone.  a few weeks back I did have a separate issue, which I had to take a week of anti biotics, maybe that effected things, so hopefully questions will be answered at the doc's Thursday........
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Reply #1673 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:38pm
 
An update for you guys... Friday was the last time I had an actual BAD hit. Saturday was virtually PF. Since then, the shadows have been constant throughout most of the day while the hits have been 7 KIP or lower which is such a big difference to me because at that level I can deal with them. They have also been reduced in the time they last to 2 hours tops. I work in a high paced, stressful environment that deals a lot of cardio and heat, but I can honestly say that for the past 2 days I have not been fearful of the beast knocking me on my butt at work. Also, important to note; I have taken no meds to deal with the beast at all. Only vitamins. Still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for better days  Smiley

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Reply #1674 - Jan 29th, 2014 at 3:00am
 
Hi, i just realised i haven't completed the survey. I'll be doing it today or tomorrow. Thanks for reminder Batch.
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