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Oxygen + sex
Jan 4^th, 2011 at 6:57pm

As a clusterhead I've been experimenting with different approaches to the pain from the very beginning - which I believe is pretty normal for most of us

Over the time I have developed a few methods that have a certain effect of lowering pain a few KIP points down for me, though most of them are unfortunately not very consistent. The method I'm describing here however has been effective in both making the pain more bearable and the attacks shorter, and has been working every time so far for me.
From what I remember from the old posts there have been some discussions of sex as an abortive, though the results were quite limited. This never worked for me as well. What I have tried and found working is a modification of the approach, i.e. sex WHILE breathing oxygen.
Since I don't think it would be efficient to do this with a partner (not to mention stress and other things), the approach is to masturbate while breathing oxygen. The general idea for men is to either:

1. Keep arousal as high as possible (bordering on orgasm) without ejaculation, or
2. Allow ejaculation, but continue to masturbate (usually possible using a masturbator sleeve).

Which method is better is up to the individual.
I obviously don't know how this works for women, but if it does, it may be easier given that most can have an orgasm multiple times in a row.

I'd usually combine this approach with hyperventilation (as hyperventilation is more effective, but can be painful and tiring), but it's faring well on its own as well.

I'm pretty sure it might be too bizarre for some people to even think about this, let alone try it, but the very nature of our condition is such that I'd be happy if the method brought some additional relief to even one other person; so I can't really keep it to myself. Hope someone finds this useful.

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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #1 - Jan 4^th, 2011 at 7:25pm

Hmmmmm, interesting theory...come on everybody admit it, when you saw the title of this post we all clicked so fast there was smoke coming off our fingers

Next time hubby is in cycle, I will ask that he try this experiment in the name of science. I will need to be present to document the results of course Wink

Don't mean to make light, I just love to laugh and sex is one of those funny subjects, glad it works for you.

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Reply #2 - Jan 4^th, 2011 at 7:43pm

I'm lucky, 02 on it's own is an almost fail safe abort for me. Given all of the arterial work involved in sex, it doesn't suprise me that some of the mechanisms involved would prove beneficial for controlling a CH attack. Kudo's to you for posting this, if it works for you, it'll undoubtedly work for others. Wink

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I'm done now, back to my corner! Grin

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Agostino Leyre CH.com Sponsor Offline "Hit like a phillips head into my brain." Posts: 3803 Madison WI USA Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #3 - Jan 4^th, 2011 at 7:55pm It would probably be effective. I've used this "method" several times without the O2 and it can help.
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #5 - Jan 4^th, 2011 at 8:26pm I wonder what the Catholic church would have to say about this method, especially if it was a proven medical treatment. Hmmm....suffer complete cluster hits or go blind and grow hair on my palms....hmmmm. Decisions, decisions.
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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #6 - Jan 4^th, 2011 at 10:04pm

akage wrote on Jan 4^th, 2011 at 6:57pm:

As a clusterhead I've been experimenting with different approaches to the pain from the very beginning - which I believe is pretty normal for most of us

Over the time I have developed a few methods that have a certain effect of lowering pain a few KIP points down for me, though most of them are unfortunately not very consistent. The method I'm describing here however has been effective in both making the pain more bearable and the attacks shorter, and has been working every time so far for me.
From what I remember from the old posts there have been some discussions of sex as an abortive, though the results were quite limited. This never worked for me as well. What I have tried and found working is a modification of the approach, i.e. sex WHILE breathing oxygen.
Since I don't think it would be efficient to do this with a partner (not to mention stress and other things), the approach is to masturbate while breathing oxygen. The general idea for men is to either:

1. Keep arousal as high as possible (bordering on orgasm) without ejaculation, or
2. Allow ejaculation, but continue to masturbate (usually possible using a masturbator sleeve).

Which method is better is up to the individual.
I obviously don't know how this works for women, but if it does, it may be easier given that most can have an orgasm multiple times in a row.

I'd usually combine this approach with hyperventilation (as hyperventilation is more effective, but can be painful and tiring), but it's faring well on its own as well.

I'm pretty sure it might be too bizarre for some people to even think about this, let alone try it, but the very nature of our condition is such that I'd be happy if the method brought some additional relief to even one other person; so I can't really keep it to myself. Hope someone finds this useful.

akage wrote on Jan 4^th, 2011 at 4:32pm:

Some time ago I read Doug's post about effectiveness of hyperventilation and decided to give it a try. The method I tried first was the following:

1. Exhale as much air as possible (using methods described by Doug)
2. Inhale as much oxygen as possible.

This proved to be more effective than the usual 'ordinary' breathing, however it still required quite a few exchange cycles before getting into the hyperventilation state. Because of that I've modified the method a bit:

1. Exhale as much air as possible.
2. Inhale as much oxygen as possible AND push the oxygen release button on the demand valve. Do it as long as you can - your lungs will expand, then your cheeks at which point you're at your maximum capacity.
3. Contract your abdomen trying to push as much oxygen as possible to your head. Make sure you don't fall down (because of the hyperventilation and the resulting dizziness). I also try to keep my eyes open as otherwise my eyeballs tend to roll up which puts some unnecessary strain on them.
4. Keep the oxygen in your lungs for a few seconds.

Using this method I found that I could hyperventilate immediately and with every oxygen exchange, which significantly reduces the time needed to abort. This method however can be a bit unpleasant (painful) because of the amount of pressure the oxygen is exerting on the lungs. I'd say it's worth it given the results.
I was wondering if anybody else used the demand valve like that and if there were any known medical considerations/long term consequences of it (after all, the pressure comes from the valve, not from the natural breathing).

You must be darned talented.

Potter

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McGee CH.com Veteran Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 220 Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #7 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:23am WOW interesting idea, could be a bit embarresing at work or partys then again you would be a hit at a swinger club. I take it this is not a cure because if it was i should have been pain free years ago ROFLMA Mark (im off to practice)
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Mike NZ CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Oxygen rocks! D3 too! Posts: 3785 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #8 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:41am I'm not quite sure how I'd manage this as CH pain isn't really a turn on for me (obviously different for others!). Plus I'd run out of hands with one holding my head and one holding my oxygen mask.
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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #9 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:28am I tried this and tried this and tried this a thousand times. It didn't work. Maybe I did it wrong.
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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #10 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 8:01am

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:41am:

I'm not quite sure how I'd manage this as CH pain isn't really a turn on for me (obviously different for others!).

Plus I'd run out of hands with one holding my head and one holding my oxygen mask.

Yeah, I don't much like pain either. And the only turn on for me is when the hits abort and a love of life without pain floods my soul. Cool

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deltadarlin CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 3823 Downsville LA Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #11 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 9:04am Bob P wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:28am: I tried this and tried this and tried this a thousand times. It didn't work. Maybe I did it wrong. Try switching hands! Should this work, would it be considered an abortive or could one possibly get it suggested as a prophylatic? I can see the ADA guidelines now..........
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Sandy_C CH.com Sponsor Offline There is no such thing as a stupid question. Posts: 3371 Jamestown, NC Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #12 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:08am May I show myself to be completely uninformed here, but...... What the heck is a masturbator sleeve? Oh, lordy, the pictures I have in my mind. Sandy
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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #13 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:38am

Sandy_C wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

May I show myself to be completely uninformed here, but......

What the heck is a masturbator sleeve? Oh, lordy, the pictures I have in my mind. Roll Eyes

Sandy

I was wondering that myself Sandy. I think this calls for some research. Altough I've never been there.. I believe there's one of those adult toy stores 53.8 miles from my home that's open Mon - Sat, 12:00 noon - 2:30 a.m. (closed all major holidays) and takes Visa, Mastercard, Discover (but not American Express), and offers free popcorn with any 5 movie rentals...not that I've ever been there Wink

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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #15 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:24pm

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:41am:

I'm not quite sure how I'd manage this as CH pain isn't really a turn on for me (obviously different for others!).

Plus I'd run out of hands with one holding my head and one holding my oxygen mask.

Yeah, it's true it might be harder to achieve arousal - it is for me anyway. As for hands, holding my head doesn't really give me a lot of relief, so that hand is free.

Bob P wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:28am:

I tried this and tried this and tried this a thousand times. It didn't work. Maybe I did it wrong.

You mean you've tried this WHILE breathing oxygen?

Sandy_C wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

What the heck is a masturbator sleeve? Oh, lordy, the pictures I have in my mind. Roll Eyes

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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #16 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:29pm

akage wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:41am:

I'm not quite sure how I'd manage this as CH pain isn't really a turn on for me (obviously different for others!).

Plus I'd run out of hands with one holding my head and one holding my oxygen mask.

Yeah, it's true it might be harder to achieve arousal - it is for me anyway. As for hands, holding my head doesn't really give me a lot of relief, so that hand is free.

Bob P wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:28am:

I tried this and tried this and tried this a thousand times. It didn't work. Maybe I did it wrong.

You mean you've tried this WHILE breathing oxygen?

Sandy_C wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

What the heck is a masturbator sleeve? Oh, lordy, the pictures I have in my mind. Roll Eyes

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TMI. This subject has been beat to death over the years.

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akage CH.com Junior Offline Posts: 34	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #17 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:43pm Potter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:29pm: TMI. This subject has been beat to death over the years. This is for people who want to use the method, no need to go to Amazon if you're not interested.
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Reply #18 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:50pm

akage wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Potter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

TMI. This subject has been beat to death over the years.

This is for people who want to use the method, no need to go to Amazon if you're not interested.

$20 bucks! Overpriced!! I believe the store I referred to you can get it at half the price...I also failed to mention something very important...butter for your popcorn is a buck extra....not that I've ever been there. Wink

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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #19 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:55pm

his wife wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

akage wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

Potter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

TMI. This subject has been beat to death over the years.

This is for people who want to use the method, no need to go to Amazon if you're not interested.

$20 bucks! Overpriced!! I believe the store I referred to you can get it at half the price...I also failed to mention something very important...butter for your popcorn is a buck extra....not that I've ever been there. Wink

Is it butter or margarine.

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his wife CH.com Old Timer Offline The sweetest sound is my children's laughter Posts: 271	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #20 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:06pm It's pure butter. The strange thing is they go back into one of these curtained little rooms to get it. Don't know what's up with that...I'll have to ask because...I've never been there
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #21 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:47pm his wife wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 1:06pm: It's pure butter. The strange thing is they go back into one of these curtained little rooms to get it. Don't know what's up with that...I'll have to ask because...I've never been there That ain't butter it's that phony popcorn seasoning. I've never been there either Potter
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his wife CH.com Old Timer Offline The sweetest sound is my children's laughter Posts: 271	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #22 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 2:35pm OH NO POTTER!! I just thought the hot butter machine was back there for birthdays, anniversaries, bachelor parties and other special occassions. Now I know ~~I'm never going back there~~ err, umm Now I know why I've never been there
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Re: Oxygen + sex
Reply #23 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 6:33pm

Potter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

akage wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 3:41am:

I'm not quite sure how I'd manage this as CH pain isn't really a turn on for me (obviously different for others!).

Plus I'd run out of hands with one holding my head and one holding my oxygen mask.

Yeah, it's true it might be harder to achieve arousal - it is for me anyway. As for hands, holding my head doesn't really give me a lot of relief, so that hand is free.

Bob P wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:28am:

I tried this and tried this and tried this a thousand times. It didn't work. Maybe I did it wrong.

You mean you've tried this WHILE breathing oxygen?

Sandy_C wrote on Jan 5^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

What the heck is a masturbator sleeve? Oh, lordy, the pictures I have in my mind. Roll Eyes

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   TMI.    This subject has been beat to death over the years.

            Potter

You can beat it to death?

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Agostino Leyre CH.com Sponsor Offline "Hit like a phillips head into my brain." Posts: 3803 Madison WI USA Gender:	Re: Oxygen + sex Reply #24 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 6:41pm Really the idea behind part of the technique is very similar to Charlie's blood flow redirection excercise. It's not really a "sex" thing, more of a blood flow thing, plus the endophine release could possibly be beneficial.
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