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Jun 10th, 2011 at 6:44pm
 
Hi folks.  I sure am a cluster sufferer.  And getting scared too.  As of this post (6/10/11) its been going on 4 months now and no relief in sight.  I'm 55 years old, and have been having clusters for 17 years, but this is the first time I've had the FULL FLAT OUT ATTACKS!  The past 16 years during season changes (naturally) I'd get the burning through the nose and eye, the runny watery eye, slight pain in the temple, etc.  The imitrex nasal spray would take care of it in 15-18 minutes and I'd feel pretty good.  It would go on for a few weeks, and then I would get one here and there until the next season change, and start again.  But THIS past February ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE!  The screaming, the pacing, rocking back and forth, pounding the walls, the 35-50 minute attacks, holding my head and eye like they were gonna fall off, NO SLEEP at night (until the insurance company finally approved medication), the eye closing, the nasal congestion, and then when it ended I felt like I was in a 15 round title fight.  I cant figure out why after the first 16 years the clusters were uncomfortable, and now HORRIFIC!!!

Anyway, this site says feel free to list what meds helped or is helping, didnt help or isnt helping, so here goes.  I am currently taking a sumatriptan 100mg tablet twice a day.  Thats my life saver pill.  Without that, I probably would have laid across the railroad tracks by now.  I also am up to 150mg of topomax a day which I dont think does a hell of a lot of good.  I have home oxygen......12L per minute for 15 minutes, twice a day....3 times a day if really needed.  That works pretty good for an average cluster headache, but if I have a really BAD attack it doesnt help that much.

Now for the useless stuff.  PREDNISONE (steroids)....I took the schedule.....starting with 6 pills daily, then 5, then 4, etc.  That did nothing.  It only made me eat like a slob.  I was ALWAYS hungry.  I ate everything in sight.  I would have eaten a mail box if you offered it to me.  I mean I was outside fighting the squirrels for their stash of acorns.  Within days the squirrels relocated to the next town. 

GABAPENTIN - Bad Stuff.  Only took it for about 8 days and couldnt stand it any more.  It gave me such pain in my face and in my right eye it was unbearable.  As you know, the eye takes a beating during a cluster attack as it is, so adding more pain to that area was intolerable.

MIDRIN - Actually that kinda helped for a few days, when you felt an attack coming on.  But the problem was that it's another acute medicine, so too much medicine can cause a rebound effect and thats what happened.  After 4 days of that stuff, the attacks became more frequent and a bit more painful.  Bye Bye Midrin.

VERAPAMIL - Actually that medicine is rated pretty high for results.  But I didnt give it much of a chance.  That was my fault.  I already take blood pressure meds, and VERAP is kind of a blood pressure med as well and it dropped me to 100/60.  I got scared.  Plus, VERAP is NOTORIOUS FOR CONSTIPATION!  And how true it is.  I could'nt live on Senekot so I stopped taking the VERAP.  Maybe I should have tried to work something out with the neurolo, but at the time I was so dead against that stuff....

Well thats it, and thank you folks for listening.  I may sound upbeat in my words, but believe me, I am petrifed these things are NEVER gonna end.  I am going for an MRI on the brain next week too, and thats got me scared too.  Email me anytime if you'd like to talk.  Regards..... Danny  (Kenoman29@verizon.net)
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Re: My first post (and suffering)
Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2011 at 8:39pm
 
I suspect that this will not apply to you--BUT--when you have long experience of nothing really working well, it's time to look at the extremes. (The faliure of comonly used CH meds is an important sign that you may not have Cluster.)


Link to: cluster-LIKE headache.

Section, "Medications, Treatments, Therapies --> "Important Topics" --> "Cluster-LIKE headache"
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Imitrex pills are the least effective form to use; injection is 90% effective and works quickly.

An alternative to Imitrex which has good worked well for some of us:

Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.

Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.
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Since this abstract was first posted Zyprexa has appeared in some lists of recommended meds for CH. [BJ]
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Headache. 2006 Jun;46(6):925-33. 


Testosterone replacement therapy for treatment refractory cluster headache.

Stillman MJ.

Objectives.-To describe the clinical characteristics and laboratory findings of cluster headache patients whose headaches responded to testosterone replacement therapy. Background.-Current evidence points to hypothalamic dysfunction, with increased metabolic hyperactivity in the region of the suprachiasmatic nucleus, as being important in the genesis of cluster headaches. This is clinically borne out in the circadian and diurnal behavior of these headaches. For years it has been recognized that male cluster headache patients appear overmasculinized. Recent neuroendocrine and sleep studies now point to an association between gonadotropin and corticotropin levels and hypothalamically entrained pineal secretion of melatonin. Results.-Seven male and 2 female patients, seen between July 2004 and February 2005, and between the ages of 32 and 56, are reported with histories of treatment resistant cluster headaches accompanied by borderline low or low serum testosterone levels. The patients failed to respond to individually tailored medical regimens, including melatonin doses of 12 mg a day or higher, high flow oxygen, maximally tolerated verapamil, antiepileptic agents, and parenteral serotonin agonists. Seven of the 9 patients met 2004 International Classification for the Diagnosis of Headache criteria for chronic cluster headaches; the other 2 patients had episodic cluster headaches of several months duration. After neurological and physical examination all patients had laboratory investigations including fasting lipid panel, PSA (where indicated), LH, FSH, and testosterone levels (both free and total). All 9 patients demonstrated either abnormally low or low, normal testosterone levels. After supplementation with either pure testosterone in 5 of 7 male patients or combination testosterone/estrogen therapy in both female patients, the patients achieved cluster headache freedom for the first 24 hours. Four male chronic cluster patients, all with abnormally low testosterone levels, achieved remission. Conclusions.-Abnormal testosterone levels in patients with episodic or chronic cluster headaches refractory to maximal medical management may predict a therapeutic response to testosterone replacement therapy. In the described cases, diurnal variation of attacks, a seasonal cluster pattern, and previous, transient responsiveness to melatonin therapy pointed to the hypothalamus as the site of neurological dysfunction. Prospective studies pairing hormone levels and polysomnographic data are needed.

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Consider dropping your other blood pressure med so that you can boost the Verap dosing. This protocol is widely used and the constipation can be managed.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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If you are not working with a headache specialist, suggest you consider it. The training received by most docs, including neurologists, is meager re. headache. This is a far more complex area of medicine than is commonly appreciated.
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Reply #2 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 8:55am
 
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Great that you have the oxygen, it's been my primary abort for many years, I average 6-8 minute aborts. Your flow rate is low...we suggest a minimum of 15 LPM, and many go to 25 LPM and higher. I use a demand valve. You should be using a Non Re Breather Mask, and be getting on it as soon as you feel the first twinge of an attack.

Under the medications section of this board, read the long thread started by Batch, "123 pain free days and i think I know why." A simple vitamin/mineral supplement regimen that's been helping a lot of people on the board. Cheap and certainly worth a shot.

Talk to your doc about lithium. Like you, I tried verapamil in the 80's but at what I now know was way too low a dose...120 mg a day, and gave up on it in about a week....way too soon! I then went to lithium which I've been using on cycle ever since. Blocks 60-70% of my attacks after I've been on it for a couple weeks. Ignore the Hollywood stereotypes of mouth breathing zombies on lithium. I managed a 30 year law enforcement career while taking it, no one knows you're on it at the doses we use it at.

Are you working with a headache specialist neurologist? Headaches are such a specialized field to begin with and CH is just so rare most GP's and even garden variety neuro's just don't know enough of the current treatments to help you. Hnag in there, that first "butt kicking" cycle really shakes you up. Cry Do read the info Bob posted, any time you have a radical change in the noggin it's worth a closer look.

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Reply #3 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 3:37pm
 
Many Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.  Going back to the neurologist Monday 6/13.  We'll see how that goes.... I will for sure read the the thread you pointed out to me.  And I dont use the mask for the O2, I use the cannula.  Did I spell that right?  It's kinda cold and burns a little, but thats what the neuro recommended, so thats what I use.  But I'll suggest the mask to her Monday.  I also wake up in the morning feeling horrible.  Feels like I got a hangover.  Plus my eyes hurt like hell and the bridge of my nose is in pain too every morning.
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 4:48pm
 
Don't request the mask demand it. Nasal Canulas do not work. The trick to making 02 work is delivering 100% oxygen to the lungs, no outside air, no exhaled air. No wonder it's not helping a lot, the nasal canula just can't deliver the 02 you need. Switching to a high flow regulator and a Non Re Breather Mask will give you a whole new view of the beast!

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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2011 at 6:15pm
 
Great info Joe thanks again.  I believe Monday the Infusion people will be calling to replace my 02 tank anyway.  So I will make sure that I tell them what you told me about the mask AND the regulator.  Man, even while I'm on the sumatriptan (like now), it does give me 7 1/2 to 8 hours relief, but the eye still burns just a bit and I cant look at the computer screen too long or watch tv too long.  That just irritates it more.
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Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 8:53am
 
Treating cluster headache with O2 through a nasal cannula is like trying to take a shower under a drip irrigation system.

Spend the $27.50 and get yourself the best mask available for treating cluster headache:

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And no, there's nothing in it for me. Other than knowing that another clusterhead won't have to suffer needlessly.
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Reply #7 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 10:47am
 
Thanks Brew.  I'm going to have the Infusion people bring me one when they deliver the next O2 tank.
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Reply #8 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:35am
 
The mask they bring you will not be the O2ptimask. It will be a disposable non-rebreather, which is much better than the cannula, but still not what we need in order to minimize pain in the shortest amount of time.

The O2ptimask is far superior and will lend itself to much quicker abort times.
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Reply #9 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 3:17am
 
Brew wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 11:35am:
The O2ptimask is far superior and will lend itself to much quicker abort times.


Another vote for the O2ptimask. I've used the cheap disposable masks and I've got two of the O2ptimask. The difference is huge and well worth the extra $ to obtain.
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Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 9:55am
 
By the time you read this, you may already have had your neuro visit. But...the very fact that your neuro prescribed a canula tells me this doc is not familiar with CHs and their best treatments. You really owe it to yourself to search this site exhaustively. We cannot tell you what works for you, only what has and has not worked for us. Still, this kind of sharing is enormously valuable when evaluating whatever treatment we undertake. Like the others, I too suffered so long without good advice. I pray this visit went better, and if you tell us about it, we may have some other suggestions to make. Good luck, and God bless. lance
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Reply #11 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 5:43pm
 
Thanks Lance.  Yeah, todays visit went better.  She is FINALLY taking me off that USELESS topomax, and getting me on Verapamil, and in the near future Lithium as well, which a few people here recommended to me.  I pray that will help.  As far as the masks go, I did get some regular, and the non re-breathable ones today from the infusion people when they delivered the new O2 tank to my house.  I'll be calling the O2 therapist tomorrow to just get some instructions on how to use the Non-re mask.  She'll probably have to come to the house, and thats fine.  When she does, I'll run the Opt-mask by her as well.  Luckily I dont have to pay for any of this stuff.....so far anyway.  Now I just gotta talk to my primary care doc about how to manage the constipation that goes right along with the verapamil.
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Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 6:25pm
 
Your just getting great news after great news. The non re breather mask is a huge step in the right direction. I'm hoping you'll see dramatic results with that.

Read Batch's post under meds...."123 pain free days and I think I know why." It describes a simple daily supplement that seems to be helping a lot of CH'ers, I for one do it on or off cycle. One of the components of the regimen is magnesium...which coincidentally may also help with the constipation side effect of verapamil.

Hope the good news just keeps coming, wishing you some pain free days soon.

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Reply #13 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 12:56am
 
Do NOT expect the Therapist to know anything about the O2PTI mask, it is beyond common medical knowledge. The O2PTI is only for CH and I know of no other use in medicine.

The only thing you need to know about using a NON-REBREATHER mask is, turn on the O2 and breathe. If you haven't, pls read thru the "oxygen info" link on the left, the link that Guiseppi gave you earlier in this thread.

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Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 7:09am
 
I strongly expect that we have a LOT more experience of using the O2PTI mask when aborting CHs than the O2 therapist will ever have.

I know that when the oxygen therapist saw me, he was trying to convice me that nose canulas were perfect and anything over 10 litres per minute was going to be dangerous, even to the point of boiling my blood.

I know that the O2PTI mask and 25lpm is all I need to abort a CH in an average of 6 minutes, thanks to the info from this site.
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Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2011 at 7:32am
 
Mike NZ wrote on Jun 14th, 2011 at 7:09am:
I know that when the oxygen therapist saw me, he was trying to convice me that nose canulas were perfect and anything over 10 litres per minute was going to be dangerous, even to the point of boiling my blood.


S'funny. I had an argument with a nurse about my rig. She was denying I had a regulator that went to 25lpm on my portable E tank. It was sitting a few feet away as we talked, and regardless of how I tried to get her to just look at it, she would not accept it as real world truth. She, too, tried to convince me any such flow would be dangerous. Sigh. But the beast needs no such convincing as it goes down in flames, reluctantly, to the blessed intervention of pure O2. I am so sorry for those for whom it does not work. Blessing. lance
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