Hi all,

So I'm new here. Recently diagnosed, and my only prior knowledge came when writing a paper for school I read about the efficacy of Psilocin and LSD as treatments for cluster headaches. As a student who has spent a fair amount of time on US Drug policy and Neurobiology I wanted to clear up some misconceptions about the safety of psychedelic drugs.

In short, the illegality of Mushrooms and LSD is a sham. Neither substance is dangerous or addictive, but they are given Schedule 1 drug status, meaning there is no recognized medical treatment. The minority community this oppresses is this one.

Neither Substance is dangerous or addictive
LSD is among the safest psychoactive known to man, more so than heroin, aspirin, nicotine, and tobacco. This is mostly because of LSD's high potency. LSD is active at the 10microgram range. That is 10 millionths of one gram, or an average paper clip[Edit: 10 millionths of the paper clip], for those not familiar with micrograms. Most psychoactives are active in the 50-300mg range. That's 50-300 thousandths of a gram, more than 5000x more! This alone would make LSD one of the safest substances known to man. Psilocybin is active in the low 10mg range, so not significantly safer in that measure. However, both LSD and Psilocybin have a favorable LD 50 meaning the range between a safe dose and lethal dose is order of magnitudes apart. It gets better, the method of activation for the two in question falls along a different pathway from the pleasure/reward pathway that is persistently implicated in most drug addiction.

In spite of all of this, LSD and Psilocybin are still treated as schedule 1 substances. If you're not familiar with the US Drug policy, I don't blame you a convoluted mess. Being schedule 1 means there are (a)high potentials for abuse (b)no accepted medical value (c)a lack of acceptably safe conditions for consumption, even under medical supervision.
Some examples of substances listed as schedule 1, alongside LSD and Psilocybin: Heroin & MDMA, (as I look through this list it depresses me how high of a percentage psychedelics makeup considering their relative safety.) Meanwhile, substances such as Cocaine, PCP, Methamphetamine, Opium, and Ketamine are all listed as schedule 2 or more legal. This means the US recognizes situations were these can be administered by medical professionals safely.

We are the ones punished by this blind crusade against psychedelic substances.
I don't want to suggest psychedelics are a panacea. That would be foolish. They are however, a very good lead for research. Imitrex/Sumatriptan is an ergot derivative like LSD. Due to the irrational fear of Psychedelics caused by their misassociations with vastly different substances (which just happen to be psychoactive) this community is afraid to push for viable research into very promising substances. It's something I'm personally passionate about, and now that I'm part of this community I hope we can band together to research and innovate based on the promise Psilocybin and LSD have shown. We should demand recognition of their Potential (not universal) medical uses. Why is it that we, who already have to deal with the devil should accept the United State's bullshit drug war as a reason to refuse promising research into our condition?

Dances With Devils wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:49am:


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Huh?  Sounds like Berkley logic to me.

I just had to.  My paper clip weighs tits on a half gram. You must got some leeeeeeeeetle paper clips.

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Ricardo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 11:54am:


I agree that we need to tread carefully, and I'm not advocating going out to the corner and picking some up. The mere fact that they are possible treatments for clusters should adjust the scheduling so that way research can be done properly by trained professionals.

While LSD is more potent than pretty much all other substances. It's lethal range is roughly the same as most other psychoactives. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or Has a list of LD50s. As you can see, while LSD is low it's about the same as all the other compounds so one needs to consume many more additional doses to overdose on LSD then Nicotine.

Welcome dances.....

If you are a research kinda guy then you will find that 02 with a regulator of 15-25lpm with a non rebreather mask will knock down a cluster in most people within 10-15 minutes. Also the imitrex pills are too slow but the injector works very fast.

As far as LSD, shrooms etc are concerned, Kevin and Brew gave you some links that will answer all of your questions regarding use for clusters. They are very effective for many. There is no reason for anyone to have to endure a Kip 9 for 2 1/2 hours.

Continue your research and welcome to the board.

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Of course Riccardo.     Folks here who have been helped SO  tremendously with this approach.. post links to clusterbusters almost daily.  DJ has said many times he doesn't mind that at all.  When someone starts talking price or where to get them or things of that sort...that's when he draws a line.  Talking about it, sending links is fine.

I got your 6, brutha.

i used to take mushrooms in participation of K'alis Nak't, a ceremony in a religion i used to practice.  i would take enough to have a very powerful experience while in a dark room with no lights or sound while a guide would walk me through the whole thing.  sounds crazy, and so it was.  maybe that was why my headaches were never so bad back then?  either way, my experience leads me to believe that they CAN be dangerous, of course.  any medication can be dangerous if improperly used.

i can say that they can have very lasting affects.  for me, those affects have been around for seven years longer than the drug and are helpful.  i can easily see how they could be dangerous though.