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Hello from West Africa
Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:45pm
 
G'day everyone, have been having a bit of a look around on the website and thought why not say hello while I am in the middle of another episode, my first one in the last 2 years. I had almost felt human again, being able to go out without fear of when I was going to next succumb to the dreaded beast !
I got my first taste of CH at 22 and am soon to turn 36 so have become well aquainted with my affliction over the years. It seems like a lifetime ago when I first experieced the displeasure of an attack, havng worked in the Mining industry since I was 18, I thought maybe it was related to something I had done workwise or skylarking on the booze. Living and working in a remote location did not help me in anyway whatsoever. Misdiagnosed more times than I care to remember, drug dependancy and seclusion, specialist after specialist I did not know I had CH until only 4 years ago.
I am certain I have done irreversible damage to my body over the last few years, and now take Verapimal 240 mg daily as well as Amatriptylane 100mg. It must be helping me I think as indicated above I have lived a relatively normal life for the last 2 years and now here I find myself looking down the barrel of an 8 week stint in West Africa with the beast riding shotgun. I don't leave until April where I will return briefly to my home town Townsville in Nth Qld Australia before shooting across to Thailand and the Philippines for the rest of my R&R. I have had success with reflexology I think although it could have just been a coincidence. I am not sure that I suffer the extreme pain that is described in all the text I read. Sure I have flogged my head against a wall, tried to snap my neck on a number of occasions and even punched myself in the head repeatedely during my attacks. I have eaten boxes of pain killers in the hope that eventually either the pain would disappear or I would die, either of which were desirable to the pain I was suffering at the time, but I don't know if I would call it the worst possible pain I could experience. I can't think of anything worse at the moment but there must be something out there worse than this. I have pierced my own ear, nose and nipple before with less pain than I feel when my friend pays me a visit.
I have had effective relief I think from an icepack on the base of my neck where the skull meets the spine and under the ear (if that makes sense) This is the biggest alert I get is when this area starts to throb a little and stiffen up I know what to expect next ! I have also dabled with heat creams, hot wheat packs, lotions, potions, acupuncture, massage, physio, hell I would even let someone break a bone in my body if it meant I could avoid another attack !

Sorry to dribble on, everyone probably has heard this before, I pretty much just wanted to say hi thats all. It is amazing to see that there are many, many people out there that experience this terrible thing. I get a bit down at times but always try to remind myself that there are people worse off than myself so I shouldn't be moaning and whining about anything. Having not met anyone before that has the same issue it is quite comforting to know that there are plenty of people out there really. I am definately going to try the oxygen trick and see if it helps. Working in a gold plant one benefit is we have an Oxy Viva in the plant so I will go and hook into that tomorrow when my favourite visitor rocks on in to ruin my day !
Anyway, I have said Hi a few times so I guess I have achieved what I set out to do. Hi everyone. Hope your day is CH free today, I know I am looking forward to my next break from them, it's just a shame I don't know when that will be.
Take care and best wishes

Dan
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Re: Hello from West Africa
Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:02am
 
Dan, reading between the lines I'm assuming that your working locations + travel restricts access to docs with any knowledge/skill in treating headache. If this is true, then we have to work around the limitations imposed.

But, mentioning Verapamil says you have had some source of care which is useful. Could you expand on your medical history to guide us?

You don't mention using any of the stardard abortives for Cluster. Using anything?

And the Verap. dose is rather low for Cluster. If seeing a doc now, print following and use it to discuss a change.

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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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A useful guide to share with any doc you may see: PDF file below.
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But do get back with a rundown of your medical history.
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 2:34pm
 
Thanks for the response Bob, very usefull and will indeed print and take along to the doc when I get back into society.
As far as specialist help goes I haven't really had any mate, not much in Townsville Nth Qld for this sort of thing unfortunately and definately a problem working away, commuting. I haven't been back to Australia for close to 1 year now so am due to return.
I didn't really know anything about abortives until reading the posts from others so have been basically coping it sweet I guess. Have ingested more types of painkillers over the years then I can remember the names. None of them work rather leave me feeling groggy when the headache goes. Have had all the usual stuff, CT Scans, MRI's, X rays, Neurologists, GP's and pretty much all of them called my problem something different. Some looked at me like I was merely wasting their time, perhaps young men and difficult problems relating to pain equal drug addict in their eyes I don't know.
If there is anything specific medical history wise you would like to know please ask and I will surely try to describe.
Some of the things given to me over the years where aimed at Migraine which didn't do anything. Imigran, Sumatriptan etc.
I think the best result I have had is with the Verapamil but its the sustained release one not the fast acting that is described in the text you sent me. I have taken it every day for the last 3 years. I went from 3 or 4 periods of headaches per year to one in one year and then nothing for 2 years until now. Maybe I need a stronger dose, again I don't know !
I am not too sure if there are many places in Oz that specialise in this field and some of the meds you guys mention I have never heard of let alone know if I can access in Oz. I am spending more time in Philippines and Thailand these days anyway so mayeb I can access something there.
Anyway thanks for the reply mate and will definately take this information with me and see how that goes.
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Dan
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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:50pm
 
Brand names of meds change with regions & countries, so best to identify them by their generic name.

See Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register and it will help guide you with these name business.

And do print out the PDF file in my first reply. It gives the latest evaluation of widely used meds for Cluster. When you move about, encountering docs of unknown capacity, this medical journal article should carry some weight in discussing treatments.
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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:07pm
 
Just wanted to welcome you to the board Dan. The info Bob gave you is golden, hope it provides you some relief.

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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 1:43am
 
Thanks heaps guys, I hope it can help also. Will let you know how I get on.
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 3:38pm
 
G'day everyone, just a quick line (and I hope its not too early) but I have been CH free for 2 days now. I increased my dosage of the Verapamil to 360 mg two days ago, maybe a mere coincidence but am happy for 2 days reprieve. Hope I can say the same tomorrow for number 3 !
Thanks heaps Bob for your PDF document. I am catching up our site doc tomorrow to discuss also.
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 3:49pm
 
That's GREAT news Dan. Many do get relief at that level of Verapamil, crossing my fingers it continues to hold beasty at bay.

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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:59pm
 
Beasty has been subdued for 3 days now and I even had my first beer in 2 weeks last night as well. Feeling good, hope it isn't false hope !
Will still visit my doc when I get back into civilisation in April just to be sure.
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