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61 year old female newbie from New Orleans
Mar 3rd, 2012 at 6:09pm
 
First timer at 61. Started three weeks ago. My attacks are nightly and start at 9:20 or 10:20PM depending how tired I am. Two ER visits later was referred to a neurologist and diagnosed. Started on 80mg of Prednisone for two days then lowered every two days. I was also started on Sumatriptan shots then switched to Zomig 5mg nasal spray. Both work well. I have read on the boards that Verepamil is also given with the Prenisone. This was not prescribed. How does Verepamil work? Is it a preventative, cycle breaker, or pain manager? My husband and children are my backbone, but finding this website has been a life saver. PLEASE keep me in this loop. Thanks
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Re: 61 year old female newbie from New Orleans
Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
Keep in touch with the neurologist.  Treating a starting cycle with Prednisone is for short-term use one time.  In some instances it might clear out the cycle, with the Zomig handling errant hits.  If it works that way, it may not.

Verapamil is a preventative that can work to extend beyond when the Prednisone taper ends if needed, to prevent hits.

This could be a short or mild cycle, and seems to be treated that way right now, but keep in touch with your doc.  Being able to have a Zomig even once a day for a month is not going to be feasable, a next step will be needed.  Maybe a preventative, but a prescription for oxygen is good to add for abortive use, saving the Zomigs.

Be aware how things are developing for you because Zomigs can run out early in the month.  It's good to ask your doc about next steps to be taken.  Being diagnosed is great, but the pain is great and having good treatment for clusters is important.

Welcome, stick around.
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:02pm
 
Thanks for your response and info. What is the reason you can only use Zomig short term? Is it medical or insurance problems? This was not discussed with Dr and I don't see him for two more weeks. I have 9-10 on the scale bouts every night and enough Zomig to make it that long. Thanks again. JoAnn
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Re: 61 year old female newbie from New Orleans
Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 10:09pm
 
It's awkward to make a judgment on a doc after one visit but most of us would expect him to have started a long term prevenive at the same time as the Pred.

Pred. has the purpose of stopping attacks within hours of first use. However, at the end of the series you are left with the Imitrex or Zomig to abort an attacks quickly BUT we want a med which acts as a preventive. Preventives reduce the intensity/frequency of attacks so that the short acting Imi/Zomig is not used so often. Zomig, etc.for short term relief of an attack; long acting preventive to give continous relief.

Verapamil is the first choice of long acting preventives.
This is a widely used protocol. Print for your information and ask the doc what he has in mind for long term treatment.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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My second concern is: onset of Cluster at your age is uncommon and may be masking another disorder. There are a number on disorders which mimic Cluster. I should hope that your doc would screen out this possibility vs. assuming that the immediate picture is true Cluster.

I'd suggest asking him directly about this issue. His response will give you some idea of his knowledge/skill in treating headache. (Both our collective experience and formal studies reveal just how limited is the education of neurologists, much less other specialists, in headache. Our firsts choice is working with a headache specialist.)
----If you want to explore this option---

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Cluster is such a rare disorder you will have to learn as much as you can about it, how to treat, etc. Too many of us have taken years & multiple docs to find one with knowledge and skill; our personal learning gives a leg up in evaluating whoever is treating us.

So,



Cluster headache.
From: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register (Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases)
[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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And explore the buttons, left, starting with the OUCH site.
As you wish, we can supply many other good medical sources of information. Ask as you feel ready.
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Finally, print out the PDF file, below. This is the latest evaluation of commonly used meds for Cluster. Any doc who is not working from these meds is suspect.
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Zomig and others in its class can be used for long periods subject only to limitations on total doses per 24-hrs. They are a safe class of meds and the most rapidly effective type we have.






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Re: 61 year old female newbie from New Orleans
Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 10:18pm
 
What Bob said! Smiley

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Read this link, it explains how to use oxygen to stop an attack. For me it works as fast as imitrex, typically 6-8 minutes, without the imitrex after affects. Cheap, fast, safe, nothing to dislike. Worth talking to your doc.

Then go to the medications section and read the topic "123 pain free days and I think I know why" It's a daily supplement regimen, many are finding they can stop their attacks or at least really reduce them. The good news is even if you do not have CH it's a healthy daily regimen.

Keep reading this board, soon you'll know as much or more about CH then most neuros. Glad you found us.

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Re: 61 year old female newbie from New Orleans
Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 7:41am
 
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What is the reason you can only use Zomig short term? Is it medical or insurance problems? This was not discussed with Dr and I don't see him for two more weeks. I have 9-10 on the scale bouts every night and enough Zomig to make it that long.


Prednisone is short-term, Zomig is based on availability.  Having enough for once a day for two weeks, what will you do until the end of the month if it continues?  This is why a preventative is added with Prednisone, and oxygen is a good abortive.  Developments can happen, twice a day and more for months can be typical, other steps will need to be taken.

For now, first cycles can be an introduction to clusters.  Some might say it was their shortest or when hits were least frequent.  It's good to not be complacent with treatment though, things can change.  Inquire as to what your doc's next steps are, I see your appointment in two weeks will be after the Prednisone ends.  This will be an important time for the direction of this episode.
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