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Feb 5th, 2013 at 8:02am
 
Hi wow. I am exhausted. I am sure that sounds familiar Smiley

I'm pretty new to all of this. I was very recently diagnosed (suggested early yesterday by an ER doctor, verified by on-site neurologist). I'd never heard of this before. So uh..here's my experience.

Until about two weeks ago I rarely ever had any headache. And, as I am sure you hear all the time, they were nothing like this. I wear glasses so I'd sometimes get headaches from not wearing them but they were dull and throbbing. Then, about two weeks ago I was standing in my bathroom and was hit by a pain I had never felt before. I couldn't think. It felt like my brain was being stabbed with a pick. It lasted about a minute and then fell into a deep throbbing, horrendous pain that kept me physically feeling ill.

At first I thought migraines, right? I have no history but hey that happens. But nothing that helps migraines worked. And they kept coming more and more frequently.

Then yesterday they were almost non-stop. Mine seem to be different than most where mine don't tend to come at night but hit mid afternoon at their worst. The neurologist last night says that is different than most but not completely unheard of.

They did a CAT scan and found nothing then gave me oxygen and that helped. But I can already feel it again today. They prescribed Lortabs but I really don't want to take them.

I've only told two people, my mom and my boyfriend. Both don't really seem to understand that it isn't just a headache. My co-workers have seen me when it hits and are the ones that convinced me to be seen by a doctor.

My insurance doesn't kick in for another month and we'll see how difficult it appears to be spectacularly over-priced and underwhelming but at least it will be something. In the meantime I have a massive hospital bill, neurologist bill and this pain to contend with. Wish me luck.
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Re: This is new and scary and horrible
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 8:55am
 
Welcome to the board Labrynthe. CH is a pain in the butt, and does alter your lifestyle a bit, but can be controlled to allow you to lead a normal life. It requires you be proactive, and ALWAYS ready to do battle with the beast. I've had them snce my late teens, I'm almost 53 now. Sadly, most docs are NOT up to date on CH treatment. You're best bet is to educate yourself, and work WITH your doc to develop a program that works. I managed them with a 3 step program, many use a similar approach:


1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. You need a home oxygen set up as the time it takes you to drive to the hospital will allow beasty to become fully entrenched, and the 02 is not nearly as effective. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s healthy for you even without CH. It's kept me off cycle for almost 3 years. My results are not unique so please consider starting on this regimen immediately...like today! Wink

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

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Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 10:39am
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Sorry to see you here, Labyrinthine, but you've come to the right place.  Daytime hits are not that uncommon.  Make sure you read through all the material posted by Guiseppi, all good and essential information.
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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
Hey Labryinthe,
  Let's hope you are episodic and not chronic. I have had  Chronic Cluster Headaches since 2009. I have not had a break longer and 60 days and that was a good year. Most of my breaks in attacks last 14-25 days and I get spikes throughout the year where "the Beast" really turns up the heat. I also understand medical costs being an issue with or without insurance it's expensive. I would like to give you some tips. 1. energy drinks ( NOS and Monster work best for me)(also not sure if it's just me but low carb or diet energy drinks or sodas make things worse). 2. Melatonin for night attacks (this will only give you a chance of peaceful sleep may not always be effective) 3. Capsacin nasal spray (the higher the concentration the better)(always be warned capsacin is what makes peppers hot so its essentially spraying pepper juice up your nose) Capsacin is a natural channel blocker and may help reduce frequency and intensity. 4. Body temp(regulate your body temp to help reduce intensity)(if during an attack change you the temp of your head, if it feels hot make it cold(I use the shower head and spray over the back of my head) If it feels cold make it hot( again shower head) running water seems to be the best way to change the temp of your head. 5. Cofee not too much or you will hate yourself the darker the roast the better (cofee energy drinks like starbucks doubleshot or monster java bean work really well too). 6. Preservative free eye drops (keep them refrigerated) this creates a soothing effect that will help take the edge off. 7. Stay away from long term or regular use of painkillers they can cause rebound headaches which are just as bad. 8. Water Water Water! drink lots of water it will help. 9. o2 you can use welders oxygen too its exactly the same but much more affordable and you won't need a prescription, use with a non rebreathable mask and a regulator ideally you should start at 8 liters per minute for 1-3 minutes. If not effective increase out put to 10, then 12, then 14 as needed do not exceed 5 minutes of use with a non rebreathable mask. Do not exceed 14 liters per minute without consulting a Doctor. Also your local fire dept may let you use their o2 on occasion. Never hurts to ask. Also buying them pizza goes a long way and cheaper than a hospital bill or ems/er visit. and finally 10. Keep a headache journal. Document your headaches date/time/intensity/duration, what you were doing when it hit, what you have had to drink and eat in the 24 hrs previous to attack. This will help you learn your patterns and triggers. Also when you have to go to a neurologist take it with you let them read it make copies if needed. It will help make the most of your visit. Also document any skips in your cycle and any effective treatments and anything that makes your headaches worse.

     I wish you the best of luck. I hope you wan't have to deal with CH as a chronic disorder. As always feel free to PM me I am willing to share any and all knowledge I have about CH.
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the darker the roast the better

What's your basis for this?

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you should start at 8 liters per minute for 1-3 minutes. If not effective increase out put to 10, then 12, then 14 as needed do not exceed 5 minutes of use with a non rebreathable mask. Do not exceed 14 liters per minute without consulting a Doctor.

This "method" is just plain wrong. Documented over and over. Please do some reading:

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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 2:31pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 5th, 2013 at 1:56pm:
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the darker the roast the better

What's your basis for this?

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you should start at 8 liters per minute for 1-3 minutes. If not effective increase out put to 10, then 12, then 14 as needed do not exceed 5 minutes of use with a non rebreathable mask. Do not exceed 14 liters per minute without consulting a Doctor.

This "method" is just plain wrong. Documented over and over. Please do some reading:

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Thanks Brew I couldn't have said it better.

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Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 2:43pm
 
You mention Loritab as the onlly med given to you,even after having been diagnosed with Cluster.

Even tho it was a neurologist who Dx you, this med indicates he has no knowledge of Cluster. Pain meds are useless for us.

Even tho your insurance doesn't kick in for a time, you can start NOW searching for a competent doc.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

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4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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  Full of articles, blogs, book: written by one of the best headache docs in the Chicago area.
  Worth exploring. The latest book is in e-book edition, $10; comprehensive and worth buying for
  a careful read.
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Given my assumption about the neurologist, the next comment is: you/we don't know for sure that you have Cluster. There are a number of disorders which mimic Cluster and so a solid work-up is essential before you begin to treat yourself, accept suggestions, etc.

Again, finding a skilled doc is essential.
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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
Sorry I wasn't clear.

Lortab was given to me by the ER doctor. The neurologist wants to see me again and discuss my options before giving me anything.
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