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Feb 6th, 2013 at 5:37am
 
Hi all
I am 44 years of age and have recently stated with severe headaches
I went to my Dr and he discussed CH - referred me to neurologist - the original neuro i saw was helpful and agreed CH, then she went on maternity leave and passed me to a new neuro
thing is i am struggling to get the new neuro to take me seriously, he seems to have a great downer on CH and doesnt seem to believe in them, preffering to say its migraine,  has anyone else come across this?
i have been referred to a headache specialist and hope that this might work out better
i have been told by the new neuro to stop all pain relief medications with the exception of propranolol which he has prescribed to prevent the headaches
has anyone experience on how well this will work?
the thoughts of no meds for pain relief fills me with dread, the times i have a heachache i quite literally am incapable of all rational thought and reason
he has asked me to keep a log of headaches but i dont really know what info to keep - has anyone any examples of a headache log please
sorry for the long post, just desperate for some help
thanks
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 7:58am
 
Hello Kate, and welcome. It seems as if you are caught between two neuros, and in my opinion, it's a shame you ended up with the one you have. I'll try to address some of what you are asking below.

kate1968 wrote on Feb 6th, 2013 at 5:37am:
Hi all
I am 44 years of age and have recently stated with severe headaches.  I went to my Dr and he discussed CH - referred me to neurologist - the original neuro i saw was helpful and agreed CH, then she went on maternity leave and passed me to a new neuro.
You need that headache specialist you mentioned. When a neuro has little to no experience with CHs, and that's most of them, the treatments are more than useless, they are depressingly useless.


thing is i am struggling to get the new neuro to take me seriously, he seems to have a great downer on CH and doesnt seem to believe in them, preffering to say its migraine,  has anyone else come across this?
CHs were originally thought to be a subset of migraines, but now are understood to be a primary headache. That means they are not caused by anything else but rather are their own little beastie.


i have been referred to a headache specialist and hope that this might work out better

i have been told by the new neuro to stop all pain relief medications with the exception of propranolol which he has prescribed to prevent the headaches
has anyone experience on how well this will work?
Well here we agree, mostly. The pain meds won't help a cluster. They are too slow generally, and do not address the actual attack. Propanalol is an old remedy that is not much prescribed anymore because for the most part it doesn't work. It may do wonders for migraines, I don't know, but not for clusters.


the thoughts of no meds for pain relief fills me with dread, the times i have a heachache i quite literally am incapable of all rational thought and reason.
Yup; that's how we all feel


he has asked me to keep a log of headaches but i dont really know what info to keep - has anyone any examples of a headache log please
A headache log is a good idea. It should be a simple diary of your attacks: date, time, length, measure of intensity on the KIP or pain scale, and anything you did to try and abort the hit along with how effective or ineffective it was


sorry for the long post, just desperate for some help
thanks

We know, and it's why we are here.


Here's a suggested approach to take when asking for a doctor's help:

1. Find a good headache specialist-this is imperative.  In the long run, you want the specialist.

2. Start a prednisone taper (starting around 80mg/day), a bunch of us found good relief this way while waiting for a longer term preventative to kick in.

3. Start a preventative working up to a high enough dose to be effective in treating CHs, like 240mg/day verapamil increasing as directed up to 960mg/day. Other preventatives include Topamax, carbomazapine, oxycarbomazapine, and more. Pay attention to the doses-often we hear I tried that but the dose was too low to be effective.

4. Get an effective oxygen setup: a nonrebreather mask and a regulator that will go up to 25lpm along with a 3 liter bag. See optimask.

5. Get effective abortives, like imitrex injectables-pills are too slow-or Migranal nasal spray, it's an alternative to triptans. I use both.

6. Keep a log or journal of your attacks, and learn to use the KIP scale at left. This may help to identify some triggers for you. Some are fairly common to all of us, like alcohol, but even that isn't universal.

It's a long list, but it returns to you the power needed to manage the beast. Good luck and God bless. lance
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 9:17am
 
Welcome to the board, so glad you found us. The fact is women don't get CH they only get migrains! Grin (Sorry, that's a dig at one of my favorite women CH'ers!) The women have always had it tougher with diagnosis and treatment of CH since it seems as soon as a doctor hears a lady say headache, he parrots migrain!

Lance has given you excellent advice. While you're waiting for all the referral business to settle, see if they will prescribe you home oxygen in the interim. Read this link, it's easier then it sounds to use. You feel an attack starting, huff pure oxygen for 6-8 minutes, and you're pain free:

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The advice to stop all of the pain killers, especially the OTC stuff, is actually good advice. The rebound attacks common for overuse of pain meds can complicate the diagnosis further.

For now, grab a 4 pack of Red Bull, I prefer the sugar free, chug one of those down at the first sign of an attack. Many can abort or at least really reduce the intensity of an attack. Any of the energy drinks which contain the combo of caffiene and taurine will work.

For your headache diary:

What time the attack starts, how fast it builds, how high it builds, Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register ...this is a pain scale we devised!, how long it stays at peak pain, how fast it goes away. Describe the pain, boring, crushing, stabbing, pulsing, where the pain is located, any secondary symptoms you observe, sweating, tearing, nasal issues, try and isolate any food or environmental triggers, stress, lack of stress, hot, cold, etc.

Sounds like a lot but when you start keeping track, details emerge that help a good neuro isolate the diagnosis. If it turns out to be CH, don't lose this website. It's the best source of know-how on CH.

Joe
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