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Feb 6th, 2013 at 2:32pm
 
Hello everyone my name is Melanie I'm 27 years old and live in upstate ny.... I've been dealing with cluster headaches for about seven years and unfortunately have only been to see one neurologist who told me this was what I was suffering from when this began the attacks were months apart and I would go to the er and get steroids (prednisone) taper pack and by the time I was done with it the headache period would stop but before I realized this would help I would pretty much suffer for weeks waking up every two hours and have three headaches a night.... Then I got pregnant and the headaches stopped only to start again the day after I gave birth still in the hospital thank god..... Then I got pregnant again 15 months later had another baby now the headaches are the worst the have ever been the prednisone doesn't work oxygen doesn't work..... And I have a soon to be two year old and a 8 month old who I can hardly take care because I'm in pain or tired from being up all night and afraid to go to sleep..... R these cluster periods just gonna keep getting closer and closer... Y isn't the prednisone working anymore to stop them..... I'm so scared for night please help
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
Hang in there Melanie. I can remember well the additional stress added when trying to deal with CH when my son was small (he's 18 now)
There are MANY other treatments besides Prednisone. I have had some cycles where Prednisone/oxygen, etc (standard stuff) had no effect whatsoever, while combos of others seemed to do the trick.
See your Neurologist again. Tell him or her you need alternative meds now. Verapamil, Lithium, Topomax...the list goes on.

There are also regiments you can begin at home to try to alter the day/night pattern of attacks (read up here for details)

My last cycle was the worst in the 39 years I have been suffering, lasting nearly seven months.
A cocktail of many treatments finally ended it for me. I am confident they can find something to help you cope.

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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 4:38pm
 
Thank u so much...  I can't imagine a seven month cluster period .. I know this sounds so stupid but I really do now feel less alone in the world and knowing that other people know what this pain is like makes me feel less scared I will die from it... I used to think that there's no way this pain hurts so bad and that no doubt something must me so wrong with me and I was going to die....... Knowing that this site is here and I can try other things is starting to give me hope and I just found this site four days ago thanks again..... Any clue how I could find a good doc in upstate ny?
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 4:54pm
 
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oxygen doesn't work.....


Have you tried it the proper way?

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Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
This is a list of docs other CHers have used and rcommended in the new york area, any near you?

Bay Shore:
Dr. Norman L. Pflaster
South Shore Neurologic Associates

Bronx:
Dr. Randall G. Berliner
Regional Neurological Associates
Dr. Seymour Solomon
Montefiore Medical Center
Dr. Derek G. Randall

Camillus:
Dr. Kevin W Thomas
FamilyCare Medical Group – Neurological Division

Canandaigua:
Dr. Robert S. Knapp
Ontario Neurology Associates

Cedarhurst:
Dr. David Steiner
Five Towns Neurology

New York:
Dr. Mark W. Green

Mount Sinai Center for Headache and Pain Medicine
Dr. Alexander Mauskop
New York Headache Center
Dr. Lawrence C. Newman
The Headache Institute St. Luke's Hospital

Owego:
Dr. Keith Nichols (PCP)

Rochester:
Dr. Gilbert Proper
Pain Symptom Management Center

Dr. Joseph I. Mann
Greater Rochester Neurological

Schenectady:
Dr. Bruno P. Tolge
Schenectady Neurological Consultants and the Headache Center of Northeastern NY

Stony Brook:
Dr. Patrick E. Poole

White Plains:
Dr. Ronald M. Silverman
Neurologic Consultants of Westchester

Williamsville:
Dr. Peter R. Kinkel
Kinkel Neurologic Center,

Read the link Brew gave you. HOW you use oxygen is critical to how well it works for you. Then read this link and start this regimen TODAY:

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s healthy for you even without CH. I'm going on 3 years pain free on it, I've been an episodic sufferer for over 35 years.

Then just read this board like crazy, knowledge is everything in your battle with the beast. You're not alone anymore.

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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm
 
I'm going to the drug store tomorrow to get the vitamins.... And I was able to get a cancelation visit tomorrow morning at the neurologist that prescribed me oxygen and other medications in the past.. I have read all the info. On the oxygen and she was having me use low doses of oxygen. (I'm going to ask for another tank and try a higher dose... But she did however prescribe it to me so she had to know something about it..But she also said she only has ever seen three female ch patients..... And not very many males.

Joe thank u for the list camilus is not far from me and either is Oswego I'm researching  both of them and calling them tomorrow

Finally I know that this other happening to other people and I don't have to wonder what I did to deserve this or cause it
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2013 at 8:50am
 
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Finally I know that this other happening to other people and I don't have to wonder what I did to deserve this or cause it


Melanie, you didn't do anything to either bring these on or to deserve them. No one deserves this amount of pain and it is not a punishment from some vengeful universe or god. It is a primary headache that appears to be caused by a an extra bundle of nerves in your hypothalmus. Or something like that. At any rate, you are a person, and people get diseases and afflictions. This one is ours. Sucks, but there it is. Having said that, please know this community is here to help and to lend you the wisdom of our past successes and failures. The beast can be managed. Push for O2 in its most effective form: 25lpm with a nonrebreather mask. There is still a lot of prejudice in the medical community concerning O2, and none of it is justified. God bless. lance
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
We strongly recommend finding a headache specialist because so many docs, even neurologists, have such limited training/experience/skill working with complex headache disorders.

Since you are in this position it would be unwise to start using any of the favorite "fixes" which you read about here. First, the doc needs a "clean" body so that his diagnostic efforts and treatments are not in competition with self-directed approaches--it confuses his efforts.

Find a good doc and put your trust in his efforts for a fair trial. First step is to determine that you don't have some complex issues compounding the cluster picture.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.





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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2013 at 9:25am
 
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But she did however prescribe it to me so she had to know something about it..

Oh, you'd be surprised.
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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 10:29pm
 
So the medical supplier came today and delivered me oxygen but he said that my insurance only covers a compressor (which I now have)  but they gave me a large tank (incase power goes out) and four small portable tanks for travel but the prescription that my doctor ordered (that knows nothing)  was only for seven liters and everything that I'm reading says it has to be at least 15....  plus they only gave me the nose hose thing....what do I do?
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If your med supply company won't supply it, get the equipment on your own.
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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
The problem with the oxygen concentrators is they produce a lower concentration of oxygen until they get warmed up, and I don't think they ever hit 100% oxygen.

The higher flow regulators are available on Craigs List, E-Bay, or Amazon, Harbor Freight has some nice ones.

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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 3:28pm
 
Hey Melanie,

You're almost there with a properly functioning home oxygen therapy system.  Joe has already given you some great suggestions. 

Here are my thoughts on how to proceed.

1. Call your neurologist and ask that the oxygen therapy prescription be rewritten...  ("How to" instructions follow below).

2. Ask for a hard copy of the prescription in case you go on travel and need to order oxygen from another provider at your destination.

3. Call the home oxygen provider and ask that they deliver an oxygen regulator capable of an oxygen flow rate of 20 to 25 liters/minute for your cluster headaches.  If they refuse, see the following discussion.

4. Order one of the $27.50 O2PTIMASK™ kits from the CH.com store link in yellow at the left.  These are grate non-rebreathing oxygen masks with a 3-liter reservoir bag...  They last too.  I've had one for over 5 years and it's still working just fine.  The $1.50 disposable non-rebreathing oxygen masks most home oxygen providers deliver, have only a 1-liter reservoir bag and they tend to fall apart.

I sense by now you're beginning to discover the more exasperating aspects of obtaining home oxygen therapy as an abortive for cluster headache.

I doubt your medical insurance covers only oxygen concentrators... 

This is a typical line of BS that too many home oxygen providers use so they can charge your insurance company for a more expensive oxygen concentrator with a much higher profit margin than compressed oxygen cylinders.

Home oxygen therapy is the most over-regulated prescription USP in the history of man... 

The government's regulation of oxygen therapy started out as a cottage industry, but it has grown unchecked and out of control into a major division with several hundred people at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), HHS and hundreds more Oxygen DME contractors located on site at most of the major home oxygen providers. These Oxygen DME contractors are often very difficult to deal with.

Physicians can write an Rx for any number of addictive pain medications with nary a sideways glance from the regulatory agencies... However, let them try to write an Rx for oxygen therapy and they run into a phalanx of bureaucrats and bean counters armed with more rules and regulations than Carter's Little Liver Pills...  Moreover, all these rules and regulations are backed by USC and legislation passed by the idiots in Congress...

Unfortunately, CH'ers run into this bureaucratic BS all the time.  The process becomes so difficult and confused, too many physicians avoid writing the Rx and if they do, there's still the home oxygen provider and insurance companies to deal with... 

All this results in too many CH'ers never experiencing the wonderful benefits of using oxygen therapy, at a high enough flow rate, as a cluster headache abortive.

Accordingly, print this post and give it to your neurologist in order to the Rx for oxygen therapy written or rewritten as follows: 

"Oxygen therapy as an abortive for cluster headache (CH). Use at 20 to 25 liters/minute with non-rebreathing oxygen mask at  onset of CH for up to 20 minutes duration.  Use up to 12 times a day."

Note: Obviously, this Rx can be written in medical shorthand as long as the essential elements are present.  As with all properly written prescriptions, stating the medication, the medical condition being treated, the prescribed dosing and duration of use are essential.  Moreover, specifying an oxygen flow rate greater than 15 liters/minute and ideally, 20 to 25 liters/minute, should preclude any attempt by the home oxygen provider to substitute an oxygen concentrator or liquid oxygen (LOX) system as neither can generate or sustain flow rates this high.

Remember to have the Rx written to provide oxygen refills for up to two years.

In addition, the following diagnostic and treatment codes will come in handy as most medical insurance companies require them...  In other words, fight the bureaucrats and bean counters with their own rules and regulations:

Diagnostic and Treatment Codes

  Cluster Headache Diagnostic Codes

    ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Codes:
        Episodic Cluster Headaches – 339.01
        Chronic Cluster Headaches  – 339.02

   ICHD-II Codes:
       Episodic Cluster Headaches – 3.1.1
       Chronic Cluster Headaches  – 3.1.2

   ICD-10 NA Codes:
       Episodic Cluster Headaches – G44.01
       Chronic Cluster Headaches  – G44.02

The following codes for treatment and procedures are applicable to most private medical insurance guidelines are included below for informational purposes.  Inclusion or exclusion of a procedure, diagnosis or device code(s) does not constitute or imply member coverage or provider reimbursement policy.  Refer to your medical insurance contract benefits in effect at the time of service to determine coverage or non-coverage of these services as it applies to an individual member.

Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System (HCPCS) Codes for Cluster Headache:

      Equipment:
           E0424-E0425 Stationary compressed gaseous oxygen system
           E0430-E0431 Portable gaseous oxygen system

      Contents:
          E0441 Oxygen contents, gaseous, 1 month’s supply = 1 unit

      Modifiers:
          QG - Prescribed amount of oxygen is greater than four liters per minute (LPM)

Using the above Rx sample with the appropriate diagnostic, treatment and HCPCS codes also helps preclude confusing the Rx as being written for a COPD sufferer... Remember, most of these bureaucrats and medical insurance companies have a built-in bias to deny oxygen therapy...

I've found it also helps to go on the offense if you run into an oxygen provider or one of the DME contractors who wants to change the Rx and deliver a concentrator, a LOX system or a regulator incapable of delivering a flow rate of 20 to 25 liters/minute... 

All you need to do is state the following:

"Are you a licensed physician?"

"Changing a prescription without consent of the physician who wrote it, is against the law"

"There is no generic substitution for a prescription written for gaseous oxygen at a flow rate of 20 to 25 liters/minute."

If all this fails, find another home oxygen provider...   or as Brew suggested, buy the needed equipment.

Take care,

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