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Mar 28th, 2013 at 2:52pm
 
Hello,

I hope I can get some advice - I'm new to the forum and not entirely convinced I'm suffering from cluster headaches. A neurologist diagnosed me yesterday - said he thinks it's cluster headaches but he's not sure. I received a prescription for Verapamil and oxygen.

My pain does start at night - around 5 a.m. and is focused on the left side between my eye and nose. I can have several nights of intense pain or mild pain or discomfort where it feels like the muscle of my eye is inflamed - it's unpredictable. Sometimes I have one night of pain and then several days of mild discomfort. Sometimes no intense pain - just days where my eye hurts when I move it. If it is bad, the pain will last well into the afternoon until I take something - usually percocet. My eyelid does swell a little. No nausea or sensitivity to light. I also don't have the stuffy runny eye/nose. In a month, I probably only have 10 days where I don't feel any discomfort. Not sure if it's related, but I also have an extremely loud hum that I can hear coming from the left side of my head.
I have a history of sinus infections but my ENT doesn't think this is sinus related.
The neurologist wants me to try this medication for three months and see if anything changes. I read that Verapamil has a lot of side effects and frankly I'm hesitant to use it - especially if it's not cluster headaches.

I would really appreciate any advice I could get.
Thank you,
Dawna
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 4:44pm
 
A couple of questions, how old are you? In  younger people it seems to take longer for CH to develop a specific pattern of attacks. How long have these attacks been going on? One of the traits of CH is the attack builds very quickly from "life is good" within minutes to "holy sh%$ cut my head off!" Then ease almost as quickly leaving just a dull ache.

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The diagnosis of ANY headache type is complicated, is your neuro a "headache specialist neuro?" We have found most GP's and even many of the garden variety neuros just don't have the experience or training for diagnosing and treating the lesser known headache types, If it's possible, a specialist is always yuour best bet.

Here is a protocol for verapamil:

A widely used protocol. Your doc will recognize the source and author:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

As to possible side effects, all meds have possible side effects. Verapamil has been a front line prevent med for a long time because it works and has minimal side effects for most. ED and constipation being the ones we hear about most often. With low blood pressure a possibility as you ramp the dosing up.

Spend some time reading on the boards and really try for a specialist. Wishing you some pain free time soon.

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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 7:19pm
 
CH when it first starts can sometimes not quite follow the classical symptoms. For me the initial ones were painful and could be handled with pain medication, although it didn't take too long before they matched the IHS classification symptoms that we are all familiar with.
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Reply #3 - Mar 29th, 2013 at 8:08am
 
What led your doc to diagnose you with clusters? Was this a shot in the dark, or were there symptoms identified as cluster specific? I ask because what you list are not the classic identifiers. Here's hoping you dont have chs! blessings. lance
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Reply #4 - Mar 29th, 2013 at 2:25pm
 
Thank you all for the nice replies! I'm 47 - this pain has been going on for a little over a year. The pain wakes me up at night so I don't know if I go from good to bad quickly. If it's bad, I take a percocet which works pretty quickly. Sometime, it's not too bad and I suffer with it for several hours...usually gone by noon. I don't get these "attacks" during the day...I think lying down brings them on.
I'm not sure why the neurologist thinks they are CH...maybe because they occur at night? And when I wake up in the morning my eyelid is swollen. I'm thinking about getting a second opinion before I start taking medication for something the neurologist says I "might have."
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Re: Not convinced I'm a CH'er.
Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2013 at 2:59pm
 
Certainly not saying it couldn't be CH......but I agree, a second opinion is definitely called for. Start checking your area for a headache specialist neurologist. I borrow this from Bob Johnson but it's a great resopurce for locating a specialist:

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register ; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.



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