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Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Dec 16^th, 2015 at 10:20am

Hello Everyone,

Its back so Im back. This time Im doing the D3 regiment. My cycle just started, only feeling the aura and shadows after 2 years of pain free. so I went and got and started taking as of yesterday the following :

D3 : started with heavy dose of 30,000mg/day
fish oil : 1000mg/day
calcium citrate : 1000mg/day

drinking lots of fresh lemonade.

anything else i should take starting today (day 2)? magnesium (i heard they might assist in bringing on the headaches??)

when should I do the boost of 50,000 D3 ... on 4th day?

I must tell you I feel much better today than I did yesterday and day before. less shadow and decreased Aura. I think this may work! Dear GOD I hope it does.

Batch Im sorry, I never did the lab test to check my levels of 25(OH)D , so I apologise for not for not being to do the survey.

Should I also take something to protect my stomach from all the vitamins I will taking?

thanks so much for your help!

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Peter510 CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give out... But don't give in. Posts: 966 Wexford. Ireland Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #1 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:12am Hey Rookie, I'm sure it's just a typo, but the measurement for the D3 should read iu and not mg. Just check to be sure. I'm sure Batch will pick up your questions. Best of luck. Peter.
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rookie CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 33 Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #2 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:33am Hello Peter, Yes a typo ... thanks for pointing out.
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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #3 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:14pm

Hi rookie,
Its not to late to still get that blood test.
Plus, you need to look at the entire list of vitamins to take, they all compliment each other. Magnesium is a very important one, each works with the other to achieve a result. Plus the vitamin K2 menaquinon m7, this is important to direct the calcium away from the vains etc and to where its suppose to go, bones, teeth etcBatch has recently posted up the entire regime, you would be wise to get all of it and follow his guide.
as a guide, they say you should take the magnesium as a 2 to one ratio to the calcium.
I'm sure Batch will p.m you or post up, but please do take everything as per the regime..
hope this helps
colin

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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:31am

Hi rookie,
Forget the Calcium! It's no longer on the menu! Just take 1/day Kirkland Mature Multi and you will get all the other cofactors in one go, including all the Calcium you need, but you must take 400-500mg/day of Magnesium to help absorb the vitamin D into your bones. Also, the whole regime must be taken in one go, with your main meal of the day.

rookie wrote, magnesium (i heard they might assist in bringing on the headaches??)
Just the opposite! They help to alleviate headaches.

Cheers Hoppy

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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:11am

Thank you Hoppy & blacklab,

so I will go ahead and drop the calcium citrate and instead add 1/day kirkland Mature Multi & 400/500 Magnesium.

what about the vitamin K2 menaquinon m7, Vitamin A, Vitamin B 50, and zinc?

also, I have started out with 30,000 D3. based on this, how long do I continue on this dosage and when do I do the 50,000 Booster?

Just to let everyone know, I have had no attacks whatsoever since starting the regiment. and I can feel it in the background... if I wasn't on the regiment I know 100% that I would be in agony right now taking prednisone , verapamil and painkillers.
I can not believe this is actually working (for me at least) and I cant thank everyone enough for their efforts to enlighten people.

I will be taking the blood test on Tuesday.

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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:29am

You will find all the cofactors you need in the multi vitamin, except the vitamin B 50, you'll need to purchase that separate. The rule of thumb is 20,000iu/day for one month and one loading dose of 50,000iu once a week for the first two weeks, then after one month, drop back to 10,000iu/day.

Seeing as your getting some relief at the moment, maybe try 10,000iu/day together with the other cofactors and see how you go.

Hoppy.

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rookie CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 33 Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:40am Thanks Hoppy, I think Ill drop to 20,000 IU starting today with the loading dose once a week. without the blood test Im shooting in the dark so Ill get that done and post. thanks again!
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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #9 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:19pm

Hey Rookie,

You've made a wise decision starting the anti-inflammatory regimen.

The "Go To" link with the latest updated info on all the anti-inflammatory supplements, their doses, drug interactions and contraindications follows:

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The following table represents the latest list of anti-inflammatory regimen supplements and doses:

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I've found the following supplements shown by brand in the photo below are formulated with most of the supplements we need. I buy them at Costco, but you should be able to find similar formulations at most Vitamin Shoppes, supermarkets, Wall-Mart or over the Internet:

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If you can’t get to a Costco outlet, a CH’er in the UK has found a source for all the needed supplements at iherb.com. See his post at the following link for details on how to order them over the Internet:

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The vitamin B 50 is not shown. You’ll need a 3-month course of vitamin B 50 to handle any deficiencies among the seven B vitamins.

The Mature Multi contains 220 mg calcium, most of the vitamin D3 cofactors and enough of the seven B vitamins to prevent any further deficiencies after the 3-month course of B 50. It just needs more magnesium and vitamin K2.

Although the Super K with vitamin K2 complex isn't essential in preventing CH, it is needed to handle the increased serum calcium made available by taking vitamin D3 at the doses we take.

There are a growing number of studies finding the super K2 complex helps direct calcium away from soft tissues and arteries directing it instead to bones and teeth improving overall bone mineral density. I order Super K with Advanced K2 Complex from Amazon or iHerb.

Hope this helps.

Take care and please keep us posted.

V/R, Batch

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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #10 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:03am Hi Batch, Isn't the vitamin K 30mcg 38% daily value in the Kirkland Mature Multi, plus all the green vegetable's I eat on a daily basis, enough vitamin K? Cheers Hoppy
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rookie CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 33 Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #11 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:27am thanks Batch for your input. fyi, this is my 5th day on regimen . shadows and aura completely gone. Did a beer test yesterday... passed with flying colours
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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #12 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

Hoppy,

Great question... The short answer is while you may be getting sufficient vitamin K1 from dietary sources plus the Mature-Multi, you may not be getting enough vitamin K2 if you're not taking MK-7 or a mix of MK-4 and MK-7 supplements...

The nutrition experts at the Life Extension Foundation have formulated the Super K with Advanced K2 Complex with what they think is an optimum mix of:
vitamin K1 1000 mcg
vitamin K2 complex
      MK-4 1000 mcg
      MK-7 200 mcg

The history of vitamin K2 is relatively recent. The first reports of another vitamin K function beyond clotting started in 1979. In 2007, Schurgers et al show that natural vitamin K2 as Menaquinone-7 (MK-7) is the most bioavailable, bioactive and longest lasting form of vitamin K.

The first study of vitamin K2 registered with clinicaltrials.gov started in 2006. 34 vitamin K2 studies have been registered in clinicaltrials.gov since then with 22 studies in the last 5 years. The majority of these studies were conducted at the Maastricht University Medical Center, the Netherlands.

Some of the most informative articles on vitamin K2 come from Dr. Mercola, MD and Dr. Kate Rheaume-Bleue, ND...

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"Vitamin K1 exclusively participates in blood clotting — that's its sole purpose. K2 on the other hand comes from a whole different set of food sources, and its biological role is to help move calcium into the proper areas in your body, such as your bones and teeth."

"Vitamin K2 is needed throughout pregnancy, and later while breastfeeding. It may be particularly important during the third trimester, as most women's levels tend to drop at that time, indicating there's an additional drain on the system toward the end of the pregnancy. Since vitamin K2 has no toxicity issues, it may be prudent to double or even triple — which is what Rheaume-Bleue did during her own recent pregnancy — your intake while pregnant."

Mercola and Rheaume-Bleue tend to favor taking additional vitamin K2 (MK-7) when taking vitamin D3 at 5,000 to 10,000 IU/day.

Hope this helps.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:59am Batch, thanq for the info, I found it very informative and will look for the K2 tomorrow at Chemist Warehouse here in Perth. Hoppy.
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 11:27pm Batch, I went to look for the vitamin K2, but all I could find were the low dose ones, 45mcg. So, I bought some Swiss (menaquinone 7) 45mcg + D3 1000iu and seeing I only take 5000iu of vitamin D3/day, I'll take 4 of these /day + 1 1000iu vitamin D3. Cheers Hoppy
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Peter510 CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give out... But don't give in. Posts: 966 Wexford. Ireland Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #15 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:01pm Hoppy, You will get K2 MK7 in 100 mcg (ug) tablets, without D3, on EBay. I know Solgar do them, and a brand called NOW. Peter.
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #16 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 5:02pm Peter, I did look at the iherb, Biovea, and Amazon sites, but could only find the 45mcg ones, I'll have another look for those ones you mentioned. Cheers Hoppy
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #18 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 8:46pm Thanks Alan, I'll have a look now! I didn't know about that website. Cheers Hoppy
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Rumeke CH.com Veteran Offline Posts: 173 Westfield, NC Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #19 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:52pm Hoppy, not to hijack your thread here but I have been following it about the K2. I did find K2 (MK7) on Amazon. Nutrigold Vitamin K2 MK-7, 100 mcg, 120 Liquid caps. I like the brand, no GMO, no ingredients from China etc. Check it out. Judy
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #20 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 10:25pm Hi Judy, Thanks for the info, I'll have a look see. Like you, I steer clear of any vitamins from China, here down under I source my Magnesium and Omega 3 from Blackmore, made here in Australia, and my Kirkland Mature Multi and vitamin D3 from Biovea, in the US. Hoppy.
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #21 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 11:14pm Thanq all! for your help, I found the ones Batch recommends on the LifeExtention website. . Hoppy
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Hoppy CH.com Alumnus Offline LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE Posts: 1890 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:52pm Thanks thierry, that's a better than what I got, will go there next time. Cheers Hoppy
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Re: Dear Batch - starting the D3 Regiment
Reply #24 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 12:33pm

Hello Hoppy and Batch,

Update : I have been on the Regimen since Dec. 26th it has worked unbelievably so far and I have been thanking my lucky stars every minute of every day.

but in the past 4-5 days, I have begun to feel the monster coming on gradually every day increasing in severity. But nothing that does not get killed off very quickly with mild discomfort. But again the intensity of the pain is gradually increasing daily, like it’s about to blow up into a kip 8 but then disappears very quickly but its gaining momentum. Today it lingered for the longest for about 10minutes . Is this normal? I have tested my NO(OH)D and calcium levels today. Results will be out on Saturday.

My daily dosage is as follows :
Vitamin D3 : mostly 30,000 iu ( Ive never taken a 50,000 IU booster – since the effects of the 30,000 provided instant relief)
Omega 3 fish oil : 1400 mg
Magnesium : 500 mg
Multi-vitamin
All SOLGAR brand.

Is there anything I should add? Should I do a boost tomorrow ? much appreciated guys.

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