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Apr 13th, 2016 at 10:05am
 
I'm a 25 year-old-female, and this is my third year experiencing cluster headaches. I've been to many doctors and have had many tests done to rule out other options. All of my doctors have told me that my age and sex is unusual for people experiencing cluster headaches. I have extreme pain in my eye, nostril, and top molars all on the right side of my face. The second I start to feel the pressure, it has already turned into a full blown debilitating headache. My eye and nose runs constantly. I pace around my house, roll around on the floor, or get in fetal position with my face to the floor, rocking while pressing on the right side of my face.

I've tried Teradol and Imatrex for the pain, and it only makes a dent in it. I'm also on Prednisone. It worked for me last year, but doesn't seem to be having the same effect this year. I've been on it for two weeks now. It started at 40mg then gradually lessened the dose in a 10 day period. I got two of the worst headaches I have ever had on the day I went to 10mg. My neurologist then put my on 60 mg a day. I'm only 105 lbs, and my body feels very weak. My back aches constantly. I want to get off of it, but I'm scared my headaches will get even worse and more frequent.

The headaches seem like clockwork. They happen every day around 4pm and 10:30pm when I'm getting into bed. They can last anywhere around 45 minutes(for the lucky instances) and 3 hours. The pressure goes away as quickly as it comes. The people in my life are getting tired of hearing me talk about my headaches, but it seems to be all I can think about. No one around me understands what it feels like, and that alone is adding to my emotional distress and is causing me to isolate myself.

I'm sorry for making such a long post about something you all already know about. I just need an outlet to vent to people who understand. Any ideas about how to cope and different treatments I can ask my doctor about would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 10:48am
 
Hey Alexa,

Welcome to CH.com.  You've come to the right place.  We know what you're going through and the good news is it doesn't need to be that way.

We had a large survey of CH'ers a few years back conducted by Dr. Todd Rozen, MD. 1134 individuals completed the survey (816 male, 318 female) so the male:female ratio is roughly 7:3.

Check your PM inbox in the upper left part of this window below the date.  I've left you a PM with some additional information.

Take care and start reading... Lots of great information here at this site you won't hear from a neurologist...

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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 5:00am
 
Hello Alexa. Many of us gulp down an energy drink like Monster or Red Bull at the first feeling of an attack. Any drink with caffeine and taurine.
Usually Verapamil is started along with the Prednisone. After about a week the Prednisone is stopped and the Verapamil is continued for as long as needed.
Have you tried ice packs or heat pad?
Have you tried breathing pure oxygen?
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Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 5:05am
 
Hi Alexa - female here   Smiley

I spent 5 years undiagnosed and being told by a neurologist that women don't have clusters.   Sad

I was 57 when mine started. but there is another young lady I know from this site, who by coincidence lives in the same town as me. She's in her early 30s now but has had clusters for many years.

What kind of imitrex do you have.  The tablets take too long to get into your system to be much help, but the auto injections are fantastic and will cure a big one in 5 - 7 minutes for me.

The other life saver to ask your doctor for is oxygen. It needs to be delivered through a non rebreather mask (which keeps it pure) and at a minimum of 15 lts per minute. Those two things are important for it to work properly.

Batch has sent you a message.  Read it well and act on it now. His method has had long lasting effects for about 85% of us.

Once you get this thing under control your stress levels will drop.  I still dread each attack, but I know I can deal with them, so It's not as stessful as it once was.

We all know what it's like to be stuck in a situation where no one understands - and to be honest I'm glad they don't. The only possible way to understand is to experience it, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But that's why we're here - to understand and support each other. So you're not alone any more.

Don't appologise for the long post, or the need to vent. We've all been there.  Come back any time to vent, ask questions or just chat. Someone is here 24/7.
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2016 at 11:27pm
 
Alexa - given the regularity of your attacks you really should look into Oxygen.  Almost nothing aborts an attack as quickly as O2.  Look at the Oxygen Info tab on the left side and then push your doctor hard for a prescription. If he/she won't prescribe, keep looking until you find a doc that will.  Its not a permanent solution, but it is almost certain to provide you some relief quickly.

Best of luck. Its a tough road, but almost all of us find a way to get through it.  There are alot of very smart, and very experienced people who can give you a world of sound advice and support.
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Reply #5 - Apr 19th, 2016 at 8:05pm
 
I replied just a minute ago. Where'd it go?

Being female meant my not getting diagnosed for years and years. Many of us have "atypical" presentations. Stay strong. Get oxygen. Ask about verapamil - it worked very well for me for several years. These are first line treatments. We all need a doctor as partner who doesn't question us and who understands that we know more than they do.
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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2016 at 9:59am
 
OLD timer here and a woman.. O2 is great... D3 has been my saving grace. Batch can give you the details.

Hang in there.. there's a lot of us "wimmens" out here with CH.  Kiss
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Reply #7 - May 21st, 2016 at 10:00am
 
35 year old female here! Diagnosed with CH in April of this year and boy..this year has been difficult. I am still not 100% sold on the CH diagnosis...I have visual aura before each headache and I have oxygen and I used it properly for the first time with my last headache and no change in pain level, another reason I am doubting this diagnosis. Either way, the pain I experience is far worse than having any of my children and it sucks and I feel for you! Best of luck to you..I hope things get better!
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Reply #8 - May 21st, 2016 at 7:39pm
 
Hi and welcome

It is possible to have aura with CH, which has been part of multiple scientific journal articles which you can find via Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

So experiencing aura does not in itself rule out what you have as being CH.

It is also possible to have more than one headache type too, with CH plus migraine being the more common, but there are other combinations around. This can make it complex to diagnose and treat.

How are you using your oxygen? It should be using a non-rebreather mask from oxygen cylinders at a high flow rate, at least 15lpm. Read up about it at -  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

Are you working with a headache specialist? We've found that GPs and even many neurologists do not have the experience and skills to work with complex headaches like CH.

Your description of the pain level being far worse than childbirth is something that a lot of women here have commented on.

Are you taking any preventives to cut down how many CHs you get and have you anything else other than oxygen to abort them?
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Reply #9 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 9:28pm
 
I'm 32 and female with CH. I was lucky and diagnosed right away.

Unfortunately, my treatment options are very limited now because I am pregnant. I had my third occipital nerve block two days ago but it doesn't seem to be working as well as it has previously. I had my first 12 weeks ago and it lasted about 5 weeks. The second lasted about 4.

I had a 2 hour, massive CH this evening but I'm hopeful the nerve block will start working ASAP. Sad
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Reply #10 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 10:38pm
 
Rotten luck about the CH, MackL, but congratulations on the pregnancy and we hope everything is going just beaut.

Sing out if we can help in any way at all, besides just getting ready to wet the baby's head.
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Reply #11 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 12:19am
 
Hey MackLogan,

Check your PM InBox in the upper left corner of this screen under the date.  Click on
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in bold to read it.  I've sent you some information on the use of vitamin D3 and the vitamin D3 cofactors as a very effective CH preventative you can safely take during pregnancy.

Data from the online survey of CHers taking the anti-inflammatory regimen with 10,000 IU/day vtiamin D3 and the vitamin D3 cofactors indicate most CHers with active CH are vitamin D3 deficient...  That's not good as a CHer or during pregnancy for you or the baby...

The following chart illustrates the normal distribution of 25(OH)D serum concentration for CHers prior to start of the anti-inflammatory regimen.

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The normal reference range for 25(OH)D is 30 to 100 ng/mL.  As a CHer and prenant, you need to keep your 25(OH)D up around 80 ng/mL.

Do yourself and your baby a favor and see your OB for lab tests of your serum 25(OH)D, calcium and PTH (Parathyroid Hormone). 

If you've any doubts... here's your reading assignment:

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Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #12 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:10am
 
Hi McLogan,

Take what Batch sent you with the utmost seriousness. It is working for over 80% of us using it and is, by far, the healthiest treatment for Cluster Headaches you will find.

Are you using Oxygen ?

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Reply #13 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:41am
 
Hi Macklogan

I've sent you a PM but yes I suffer and I have an 8 month old baby so I can appreciate what a tough time you're having. Really suggest you try the Anti Inflammatory Regimen as it is not only safe but actually good for you and your baby. My little boy is thriving! Hang in there and let me know if you have any questions

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Reply #14 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:56am
 
Feeling a little guilty for hijacking Alexa's thread here. Thanks Batch and Abbey.

Unfortunately for me, my neurologist and endocrinologist believe my cluster headaches are actually secondary. I have a prolactinoma on my pituitary gland that gave me very little trouble prior to pregnancy and was easily managed with medication. Since I ceased taking the meds once I became pregnant, the CH has been practically nonstop since March.

Hopefully I can start on meds right away once baby arrives and discuss surgical options with my doc. I'm def willing to try the vitamin regimen but sadly my docs say it is unlikely to work since the likely cause of my CH is this damn adenoma.

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Reply #15 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 6:56am
 
Hey Macklogan,
You have nothing to loose by trying Batch's D3 regimen and a lot to gain for you and baby.
Start with loading doses ie:50000iuD3/day + All of the co-factors.
I'm pretty sure Batch will help you out with it.
Ask all the questions you want here, we' ll be happy to help and pass on what we got.

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Reply #16 - Jul 19th, 2016 at 12:13pm
 
Hi Alexa,
I understand the frustration.  I am a female sufferer.  I started CH in 2005 and did not get diagnosed until March of 2013.  It sucks to be on the "rare" side and even worse to not have anyone you know understand what the hell you go through.  I found relief in Batch's vitamin regiment but unfortunately became complacent and quit taking them on a regular basis.  I'm in cycle now, kicking myself that I quit taking the vitamins.  Of course I'm back on them waiting for relief, so please read Batch's email and try them.  I know it gets lonely not to have anyone in your everyday world not understand, I totally get it, so please pm me if you want to talk, it would be good for both of us.
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Reply #17 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm
 
Hi Alexa, I'm female and also suffer from CH.  Mine started in my early 20's and I'm 48 now.  I would get them every two years around June.  Always in the summer.  Around 8 years ago, they suddenly stopped but for some reason they decided to return to my life last month.  When I first started getting the CH, I had no idea what they were and there was a lot less research and knowledge out there.  Doctors really didn't know much and would prescribe migraine medicine which was useless.  At least now there are some options.  I went on Methlpednisolone last week but it hasn't helped me at all.  I got a prescription today for Imitrix Nasal spray which I'm hoping will help.  I can't get it until tomorrow though because the pharmacy did not have it readily available.  I'm hoping to get into see another doc this week and get on Verapamil.  I've done lots of research this time and these seem like good options.  I'm hoping they will help.  My CH have really no rhyme or reason this time.  The worse ones are waking me up around midnight and sometimes around 4am.  I'm sometimes getting one during the day and sometimes not.  When I had them the last time, they would last two to three months.  I'm hoping they go away soon.  Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone.  I too battle this nightmare and it's hard for friends and family to understand what you are going through.  I'm glad that I found this forum.
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Reply #18 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 10:49am
 
I'm a 27yo female, started getting clusters some time in high school and wasn't correctly diagnosed until my second doctor around the time I turned 21. Previous doctor told me the same story that typically only men get CH and also that it was "really painful, like passing a kidney stone". Well he never asked how my pain was and obviously an 18yo doesnt know much about passing a kidney stone- but whatever. Anyways, after diagnosis I found out my sister-in-law also has CH, shes about 5 years older than me, and she also had the run-around from doctors just cause she's female. I'm starting to think that men don't get CH but actually women get misdiagnosed as having migraines more often that men. Would love to see that confirmed. Sad
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Reply #19 - Aug 4th, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
I would love to yell in the ears of under educated, too ignorant to learn, too lazy to look it up doctors, GP's and neurologists, "YES, FEMALES DO GET CLUSTER HEADACHES".
We have many, many ladies at this web site. And we love them all. Sorry to hear you have a reason to be here.
It is true that more women than men get migraines and more men than women get clusters. But, they are two completely different and separate illnesses.
Welcome Kendrrat. Interesting name.
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Reply #20 - Aug 24th, 2016 at 6:10am
 
RR,

Read up on the D3 Regimen here. Healthy long term preventative that works.

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Reply #21 - Aug 27th, 2016 at 6:10am
 
I am a female who suffered with CHA for 25 years. They went away at age 54 for me, thank God.  But what worked for me when I got them was a high dosages of Verapamil during a cycle.  It didn't stop them, but it gave me a break every night or so and I think the intensity of the headache decreased a bit. When I got a headache I used oxygen. At that time in was 10 lts/10mins...but I believe it's now higher...like 15 ltrs/15 mins....and that's great. It cut my headaches down to 15 to 20 minutes, which was wonderful for me.  I hope something I've said will help you!
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Reply #22 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 4:05pm
 
Just reading through all these messages and wanted to say that yes more females that you know have these.  I have been living with it for over 30 years and I wish I could say mine were periodic but unfortunately they are not.  I suffer from CH year round.  There are lots of options out there and some do work its a hit and miss you just have to keep trying.  For myself I have yet to find anything.  I take Topirimate daily and that helps for the general migraines but does not touch the clusters.  Getting them during the day when people are around I think is the absolute worst. I can't move, I can't talk, I feel like a hundred spikes are being driven through my head.  I am in the process of finally trying to fight the government for disability.  Not to sit at home and suffer, but to find a way to work at home and support myself with some dignity and work within my limits.  I am allergic to so many medications that my options are limited.  I know myself and many others look for no pity we just look for to have it understood that this is sometimes called a suicide headache for a reason.  Keep searching for your cure, stay positive and keep focused. Smiley
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Reply #23 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 4:40pm
 
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Reply #24 - Nov 19th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
Hi, I am now 50. I started having CH around the age of 22 and they were episodic. As I got older, they lasted longer and came more frequently. It took doctors about 21 years for a diagnosis, even though I showed my painful red eye to several doctors. Ironically, I learned that while general MDs seemed to have no clue what CH are, chiropractors and dentists are VERY familiar with them.

Right now, have been in a chronic state every day since past summer. I wonder if that could be because of a new medicine from another doctor (non-neuro). It has a side effect of "headaches."
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