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May 17th, 2016 at 9:51pm
 
Hello, all.

I cannot begin to express how grateful I am to have found this board. I have suffered for 15 years in near silence. Some people know I experience ch, but I don't really let anyone know how bad they are. Being of German heritage, I was raised with a suck it up, stoic resolve. I rarely show signs of pain, and sadness or despair are just not a part of my normal range of emotion. Today, however, as I sat with my sunglasses on and the brightness of my laptop all the way down, I read the home page's quote "I bind my head between my arms and squeeze as hard as I can in an attempt to crush my skull," and I broke down and wept. For the first time, I felt like someone out there truly is experiencing what I do. While I don't do this exactly, I have had my husband interlock his fingers and squeeze his hands just behind my temples so hard I thought he was going to (and almost wanted him to) fracture my skull. But the relief during this extreme intervention was almost beautiful.

Some people might find my ability to remain calm and stoic through a majority of my ch to be a blessing. They'd be wrong. By not outwardly expressing the excruciating pain I was having, my family has not even begun to understand just how bad the pain is. My husband knows I'm in pain, especially today because I think it was maybe the second or third time ever that I wasn't able to hold back the tears. But I think because my overall outward reaction is the same, to him it's at the same level as menstrual cramps - something he has never experienced but knows it makes me uncomfortable. I think if he knew how bad it really was, he wouldn't be able to deal with it. He likes to "fix" everything, and he just can't fix this. Cramps? Here's some chocolate, a heating pad, and ibuprofen. Headache? Here's your sunglasses, Excedrin, and a quiet living room. Yeah, I pretend it helps a little.

I am a 42 y.o. woman from Pennsylvania. My first ch was in 1999, just 10 months after being in a pretty bad MVA in which I lost consciousness for a minute or two and had a pretty large head lac. Coincidence? Maybe. However, there are studies that show causality. But I'll not debate that here. With my first ch, I had 100% the classic signs. Headache was on the left side behind my eye, which was swollen and tearing, my nose was dripping, and the pain was so bad it was in my upper teeth. I had just come home from a date with a fairly new boyfriend, and my parents thought he had hit me! I can laugh about that now; he's since become my husband.

I wasn't dx until 2002 by a neurologist who gave me an Rx for Zomig and sent me on my way. He has told me about the Imitrex shot but assured me this "3rd generation triptan" would be much more effective.

Yeah right.

At the onset of my next ch, I popped a Zomig and waited. Well, the headache never eased up and I really hated the way it made me feel. I never took it again. Since then I haven't tried any other medications. I just suffer through them.

Being an ER nurse, I have only come across one patient who also has ch. The relief they had on their face to have a nurse that "got it" and knew they weren't what we call a "seeker" was a pretty powerful thing. I envy him that. I don't go to the ER for my worst headaches because I know that A) narcotics can actually exacerbate these headaches, B) anyone who says they have pain >7/10 that is completely subjective is immediately under suspicion of being a seeker, and C) NOTHING WORKS.

So I suffer, as we all do.

My clusters typically last 1-2 weeks with remission typically being between 2 and 6 months, although this past remission was just over a year. There is no rhyme or reason to the return of clusters or the individual ch. It had been so long that I didn't even recognize my shadow headache I had at work last night, despite the fact that it came and went within 15 minutes. But my shadow headaches feel like a regular headache with the exception of the sudden onset and relief.

My typical s/sx are:
- onset of pain less than 2 minutes, usually 30 seconds
- pain on one side of the head and/or eye, usually the left
- occipital head pain
- pain is deep and non-fluctuating
- duration of about 1-2 hours
- with the worst of headaches, nausea (severe pain causes nausea)
- sensitivity to "sharp" noises. They don't have to be loud, just sharp, for lack of a better word
- inability to sleep and constant shifting around

Sometimes my s/sx include:
- ptosis
- rhinorrhea
- mild headaches that come and go in under 20 minutes
- hot flashes involving just my head and arms

What makes them go away: TIME

What makes it more bearable:
- Dark room with no loud sounds
- Sunglasses
- Husband's "vice grip" for the most severe headaches.
- Keeping busy (while I find it hard to concentrate on any one thing for more than a few minutes, I am constantly moving from one thing to another and often end a headache with several half-done jobs/projects/activities lying around the house lol!)

Because I only work 12 days a month (12 hour days), I have been lucky enough to have never missed work from this. So far I've only had the lesser headaches at work which I have been able to suffer through. I couldn't even attempt to go to work for the more severe ones.

Well, I'm sure that is enough for a newbie. Look forward to poring through the message boards for kindred spirits. One thing I have learned over the years is that the s/sx of these God-awful beasts very greatly from person to person, as well as common beliefs about what is and isn't "normal" to experience.

There is no normal. ;)
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Reply #1 - May 17th, 2016 at 11:53pm
 
O2 at 25lpm+ with a non-rebreather mask.

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Reply #2 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:24am
 
G'day ER, welcome, and I love nurses. Sorry you had to find your way here but at least you're in a good place now and we truly do understand.

Lots of good reading for you here and a great place to start is our little Cluster Quiz in the top left of your screen. We always suggest people ensure they have an absolute diagnosis of CH otherwise the medications they take could be harmful while another condition, perhaps serious, is going untreated.

If you've any concerns about your previous diagnosis we're happy to help you find a headache specialist close abouts.         


(I love nurses.)

After that it's simply a matter of looking at the various ways of managing CH and finding which works best for you. We're good at helping on that score, too, with the different  preventive regimens and then the most effective use of abortives.

Best thing you've got on your side, though, is hubby. Around here he's known as a Supporter and we worship them, even though we haven't the first idea how they do it. If he'd like to join our happy little community I can promise he'll be made welcome.

Please be comfortable here, you really are among friends, and ask all the questions you can think of. We're here to help.

Cheers and beers from down under,

Brian, who loves nurses.


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Reply #3 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:43am
 
So what you're saying AussieBrian is that nurses are not you're least favorite thing...?

Thanks for the kind words Wink

I was already dx by a very reputable neurologist 15 years ago. But for fun, I did the quiz. 16/20.
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Reply #4 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:44am
 
Quote:
O2 at 25lpm+ with a non-rebreather mask.

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Or in your case, just stop allowing people to smack you about the head and shoulders with a fish...
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Reply #5 - May 18th, 2016 at 1:21am
 
Hey ER Nurse,

Potter is a man of few words...  and as a long time CHer, they are usually very well chosen.

What he said was don't be silly... You've access to oxygen in the ER...  Use it to abort your CH at a flow rate of 25 liters/minute with a non-rebreather mask.

For a detailed explanation of the procedures and respiratory physiology behind the two most effective methods of oxygen therapy as a CH abortive, check out the following link:

It will take you to a post in the "How do you hyperventilate your o2?" thread on New CH.com Forum. To view it, just click the link below:

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I've also sent you a PM with additional information that should help...  Click on the bold print
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Take care and please keep us posted... It's always good to have a nurse among us...

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Reply #6 - May 18th, 2016 at 1:47am
 
Batch,

This would be true if they happened at work, but as I said only the less severe ones happen at work. I live almost an hour from my job, so it's not easy to access when I'm home. As far as the ones I have at work, I go hours at a time without even a moment to pee let alone tap out and tell the other nurses "sorry, you have to pick up my slack, I'm going to go sit and suck air for awhile while I collect the same pay you do." Nurses just don't work like that. All that said, next time I have one AND actually have time to do so, I will try it and let you know how it went.

And thanks for the translation. I hope you realize I was referring to his profile picture, which I found rather comical.Smiley
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Reply #7 - May 18th, 2016 at 4:14am
 
ER Nurse,

Another welcome from me. That was a great first post.

The guys are talking about home O2, which your Doctor can prescribe for you. It is a great abortive to have beside the bed and is very effective in a short space of time. Taken at a minimum flow rate of 15ltrs/m with a non-rebreather mask is a standard treatment for CH all over the world.

Read Batch's PM carefully. What he proposes in the D3 Regimen has been a life changer for 80% of us using it. I know this because I am a chronic sufferer who has not had a pain free day in years. No remission periods, no let up.

In my case the D3 Regimen has not fully eliminated my CH attacks, but it has made them manageable. For most it gives continuing pain free relief as long as they keep taking it.

Support at home is vital to us. If you have children, then I would be surprised if they are not aware that something is going on when you're in cycle. My experience is that if they don't know, they worry. I'm not convinced that the "stiff upper lip" approach is the best strategy in the home. That's just a personal view.

On that point, what do you do if you get a Kip 9/10 attack at work, if nobody knows you have the condition???? You admit that so far you've been lucky, but your luck might not hold out. Have you one particular friend/colleague you can confide in to cover such an eventuality?

Post here anytime of the day or night. There are members here from all over the globe, so there is always someone listening. You will not find a concentration of Cluster Headache knowledge like you have available here, anywhere else in the world.

Compassion and understanding are a given.

Mind yourself,

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Reply #8 - May 18th, 2016 at 7:55am
 
Peter510, I believe AussieBrian's post said I have access at work so I naturally assumed that was exactly what he meant. I will be discussing O2 therapy with my PCP. We use it often for migraines. It never occurred to me that it could be used for clusters as well.

I don't know why you think no one at work knows. I never said they didn't know. They absolutely do. I said I cannot stop working to go sit with O2. The nature of the job of an ER nurse does not provide that luxury. I have to work through it if I am there. Should I get a Kip 8 or 9 at work, I would clearly have to go home. I've already discussed the possibility of submitting FMLA with my PCP for intermittent leave if it were necessary.

As far as how I run my home, you've made quite a few erroneous assumptions. My son is 15 and is well aware of my headaches. My husband and my son are both worriers, and downplaying what I go through is the best for them. Since I am the wife/mother, I trust you will leave it to me to decide what is best for them.

While I'm trying to accept that some of these posts are coming from a place of compassion, I can't help but feel like I am being judged. It was not what I joined for, and TWICE have expressed that I wasn't here necessarily for advice but more for "kindred spirits" just to know I'm not alone.

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Reply #9 - May 18th, 2016 at 8:26am
 
OK.  Good luck.
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Reply #10 - May 18th, 2016 at 8:43am
 
You're not alone, ER, not any more.  You're so very welcome here and so is hubby and son.

We really do care, but sometimes the bestest posts can be mis-interpreted while others could have been written a little more clearly,

Our intentions are honest, I promise, because all headaches are horrible and so many of us are here to help because we care.

Welcome home.

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Reply #11 - May 18th, 2016 at 9:06am
 
And I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for ER Nurses.

(Did I mention that I love nurses?)

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ER Nurse wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 7:55am:
Peter510, I believe AussieBrian's post said I have access at work so I naturally assumed that was exactly what he meant. I will be discussing O2 therapy with my PCP. We use it often for migraines. It never occurred to me that it could be used for clusters as well.

I don't know why you think no one at work knows. I never said they didn't know. They absolutely do. I said I cannot stop working to go sit with O2. The nature of the job of an ER nurse does not provide that luxury. I have to work through it if I am there. Should I get a Kip 8 or 9 at work, I would clearly have to go home. I've already discussed the possibility of submitting FMLA with my PCP for intermittent leave if it were necessary.

As far as how I run my home, you've made quite a few erroneous assumptions. My son is 15 and is well aware of my headaches. My husband and my son are both worriers, and downplaying what I go through is the best for them. Since I am the wife/mother, I trust you will leave it to me to decide what is best for them.

While I'm trying to accept that some of these posts are coming from a place of compassion, I can't help but feel like I am being judged. It was not what I joined for, and TWICE have expressed that I wasn't here necessarily for advice but more for "kindred spirits" just to know I'm not alone.

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   Since you know very little about clusters maybe you should take the advice given.

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Reply #13 - May 18th, 2016 at 8:08pm
 
Hi and welcome

I've read through the entire thread and would like to make a few comments.

Only someone with CH truly understands what it is like to have one. Whilst those who we allow to see us in the middle of a CH get to see things from the outside, nothing really describes the pain of a CH. So with people here either having CH or supporting people with it, we get it. Because of this people want to help by offering not just words of support but also advice they have as together we have many, many years of CH experience from living with CH plus interacting with a large number of medical professionals.

You'll be well aware of how the skills of doctors can vary and be limited in some areas. Our experience is that GPs, even most neurologists do not have the appropriate skills to treat CH effectively, which is why people will always suggest people work with a headache specialist. Part of the reason for this is that people have posted here in the forums with a CH diagnosis which was later confirmed to be something else, with the something else including conditions which could be fatal if not treated correctly.

So the responses asking about the diagnosis are not because people doubt you, instead they are there as people just want to make sure you are being treated correctly by someone with the appropriate skills and experience.

With your comment about nothing working, this is something that frequently suggests things including an incorrect diagnosis, being given too low a dose of abortives / preventives that may work or not being prescribed the right abortives / preventives or if you are one for whom all the currently known preventives do not work. Whilst we can't know which applies in your case, people just want you to be working with someone with the skills and experience to go through the different available options. I've sent you some info showing current medical research for CH treatments, so you can evaluate their content and work with your neurologist to see if any might benefit you.

Your observations around CH symptoms being highly variable is one that we know all too well. Whist there are some people who have all the classical text book symptoms there are lots who don't have a perfect match. Similarly what treatment works well for one might not for another or even for them in a different CH cycle.

I've had plenty experience of having CHs (and severe migraines) whilst at work. Whilst what I do is different to being an ER nurse, I can work around them with the effective use of abortives, with both oxygen and imitrex injections being able to kill off a CH in about 5 minutes or so. This means that I can disappear for just a few minutes before returning to continue doing my job, with minimal impact on colleagues. It also helps that I've an effective preventive, initially verapamil, which cut down how many CHs I got whilst at work (although I did get quite a few). Using abortives has meant that I've been able to stay at work when I've had a CH rather than have to go home (which wouldn't be easy mid-CH).

From how you've described your job, imitrex injections are likely to result in less downtime than using oxygen.

Have a read of our oxygen page (Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register), it covers how to use oxygen effectively (high flow rate (15+ lpm with higher better), non-rebreather mask).

It is precisely because we are "kindred spirits" who truly know the pain and impacts of CH that people want to give help and advice.

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Reply #14 - May 25th, 2016 at 11:42pm
 
Hello and Welcome

  My attacks also started after a head injury . . . here referred to as head-trauma CHers . . . I believe the percentage is 16-20%.  Knocked my noggin 1/01 . . . headaches started, saw doc on regular basis, 2 CTs, 1 MRI (both of which will show "normal" if CH. 

  For a year I wasn't able to take my grandson to the woods or fishing by ourselves because of the fear of having a fatal stroke while we were out (he was five at the time).  By the time my wife found this site 2/02, I was having 6-8 attacks daily, Kip 5-9, most 20-40 min, and the occasional 1-2 1/2 hr horror. and sometimes 3-5 attacks at night . . . . those were the BAD days.

  On coming here I got a name-for-the-pain and suggestions on what to do NOW and what to seek in the way of abortives/preventives.   I have heart issues and high cholesterol, so Imitrex was not an option, but the 02 WORKED and I was able to abort attacks in minutes if caught early enough . . . . minutes matter.  I used Verapamil to good effect which helped reduce frequenvy/intensity.  I didn't see a PF day til' I reached 240 mg . . . it was a GREAT DAY! . . . had three attacks that night, but had 02 to kill them at a Kip 5.

  I can now report being pain free for 2 1/2 yrs using the D3 regimen.

  All here truly know the pain of the beast and the purpose of this site is to alleviate/eliminate that pain, provide medically recognized materials to allow you to be pro-active in your dealings with the medical community, and let CHers know we're here for each other.

  Be Safe,

     PFDANs,

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Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 6:05pm
 
Hey,

I took the effort to register on this board, as a lazy self centered lurker, to advice you mushrooms.

If you haven't tried it, try it.

The only side effect imo, is you gotta put in some positive energy, wich equals effort if you aren't naturally positive

p.s. im from holland i can just go get these from the store fresh, i guess thats a luxury.

i'd send you a whole box tho via mail, if you wanted.
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