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Not good (War Related)
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UTALA, Afghanistan, Dec. 7 — Their embroidered caps, shredded with shrapnel, lay beside a half-dozen small rubber galoshes and caked pools of blood. Seven boys and two girls died here on Saturday morning in an American airstrike, and their bodies were still lying in the dust when American soldiers arrived by helicopter to assess the results of the attack three hours later, villagers and American soldiers at the scene said Sunday. 
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #1 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 8:06am » |
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ok, Whats the point?
Innocent people die in wars. It sux but is true!
2700+ died at the World Trade Centers!
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #2 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 8:27am » |
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Hmmm....I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to connect this to 9/11 - but I didn't expect it to be the first post! What kind of bubble are you living in? 
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #3 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 8:40am » |
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KenB
You might want to check the title of your thread and the location of the air-strike.
It appears that you haven't done your homework.
Afghanistan has a LOT to do with 9/11.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2003/12/06/279137-ap.html
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EDITED: don't get me wrong! i think its a tragedy that innocent children were killed.
BUT... I do think that KenB shouldn't be so quick to point the finger.
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
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HHmmmmmmmmm.... How many children have been killed in Ireland by the IRA? Whose living in a bubble? More European anti-Americanism at it's finest.
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 8:40am, thomas wrote:| HHmmmmmmmmm.... How many children have been killed in Ireland by the IRA? Whose living in a bubble? More European anti-Americanism at it's finest. |
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Thomas - did you actually think before you posted that or was it just some kind of involuntary reaction? What exactly has the IRA got to do with this? You seem to be implying that because I'm Irish I automatically support them??
Anyway - since you brought up the subject - did you know that a massive amount of funding for the IRA comes from 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation Irish American idiots (they call themselves Irish American - but most of them haven't even been over here).
And also on the subject of the IRA - are they going to be on the list of Bush's targets? He is trying to rid the world or terrorism is he not? On second thoughts - maybe not - sure we don't have any oil and you've no need for our potatoes or our Lucky Charms.
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #6 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:23am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 9:15am, KenB wrote:
Thomas - did you actually think before you posted that or was it just some kind of involuntary reaction?
Anyway - since you brought up the subject - did you know that a massive amount of funding for the IRA comes from 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation Irish American idiots
And also on the subject of the IRA - are they going to be on the list of Bush's targets? |
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Yes.
Yes. (I have Irish heritage - however I am not a hyphenated American.)
I sure hope so.
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #7 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:27am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 8:40am, brain_cramps wrote:KenB
You might want to check the title of your thread and the location of the air-strike.
BUT... I do think that KenB shouldn't be so quick to point the finger.
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1 - Modified the title - apologies for the confusion.
2 - I didn't point the finger - I simply made a point
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #8 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:39am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 9:27am, KenB wrote:| 2 - I didn't point the finger - I simply made a point |
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 8:27am, KenB wrote:| Hmmm....I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to connect this to 9/11 - but I didn't expect it to be the first post! |
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pretty deep --- i must have missed it.
Afghanistan has EVERYTHING to do with 9/11!!!
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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Why do you constantly try to fire up the board with stuff like this... Ive been staying away from threads like this... What do you think we should do to protect our country from these EVIL Terrorists.... say hold up your hand so that we know who to shoot. We are talking about terrorists that ask young men to blow themselves up... Do you think the powers that be over there care about a few kids dying... don't waste your breath. They take advantage of our American hearts and put women and children in harms way... Ken B. when you read an article like this be sure you balance it out by reading an obituary about a young soldier that died in Afghanistan. This is a volunteer Army, Navy and Marines... these boys like my sons are educated, and brave... people like you that constantly drum up arguments in the name of whatever you profess make me sick. Why not take up a cause here in our country. Why not write of the constant, everyday, pedophiles that steal our children here and mangle their bodies all up................ ree
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #10 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:54am » |
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How many victims have been identified?
The New York City medical examiner has been able to identify the remains of about 54 percent of the victims. The office hopes to make 1,700 to 1,800 identifications in all -- 60 percent to 65 percent -- although future advances in DNA technology may enable additional identifications. Toward that end, the medical examiner is storing more than 12,000 unidentified body parts collected from the trade center site. Those remains will be kept at a memorial at the site.
The families of those whose remains have not been identified were able to obtain death certificates from the courts after submitting proof their loved ones were in the trade center.
Not as grisley as your account but there is plenty more where this came from... and not even the jist of what happened on that day...
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #11 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:55am » |
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I'm not sure where to start in response to Ree's little rant - but whatever I say I'm sure I'll be accused of being anti American, pro terrorist, liberal, socialist, IRA supporting potato munching shit stirrer - so here goes........
1 - If you can give me one a good reason/justification why the US haven't expended the same energy, resource and manpower to remove either Robert Mugabe or Ariel Sharon from power then I'll stop "drumming up" arguments.
2 - You think that the death of a soldier compares to the death of a young child? Last time I checked the children were born and raised there whereas the soldiers made a decision to enlist and at the end of the day are actually being paid to be there.
3 - Take off your blinkers - I have respect for your sons who obviously have in belief in defending their country - but it doesn't mean that the orders they have been given are morally sound and justifiable.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 9:54am, Ree wrote:How many victims have been identified?
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The families of those whose remains have not been identified were able to obtain death certificates from the courts after submitting proof their loved ones were in the trade center.
Not as grisley as your account but there is plenty more where this came from... and not even the jist of what happened on that day...
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Here we go again - correct me if I'm wrong, but your sons served in Iraq? And the proven connection between that conflict and your comments are???
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 9:58am, KenB wrote:Here we go again - correct me if I'm wrong, but your sons served in Iraq? And the proven connection between that conflict and your comments are???
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YOU are the one that brought up Iraq and how quickly people would draw a link to 9-11.
You didn't even take the time to read the paragraph that you cut-and-pasted. Just posted it to stir up shit!
STFU already!!!!!
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #15 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 10:40am » |
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Dear Mr. Potato Head,
You obviously want an argument here. You obviously do not know how many people here on this MB have sons, daughters, husbands, wives, neices, nephews, etc. that PROUDLY SERVE in the US military. We are a fiercly loyal bunch of Americans. Your comments are only meant to cause pain.
My suggestion to everyone who reads this is to just stop!! Do not feed any fuel to this fire. Let it die.
Don't post.
Ken this is a place for love, healing and support. Yes, we have our occasional heated political/religious/current event discussions. Your continued efforts to INTENTIONALLY cause these disagreements is wrong.
If you need compassion for a headache...if you need a prayer or a vibe...if you need a friend to lean on I am here. But cut this crap out!! You said in your post that
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HOW DARE YOU. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT EVERY SOLDIER OVER THERE ***IS*** SOMEONE'S CHILD.
You obviously don't know how many mother's here have son's over there--I honestly don't think you really care!
So, in closing, you need to stop. If you don't, we will send Jonny over there to kick you right in your Lucky Charms!! Write what you want in reply. I don't care to read any more of your posts in this thread. You need support, fine. If not STFU!!!!
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To the members of this message board I apologize. I rarely get this upset. Someone intentionally posting messages that may hurt my family here PISSES ME OFF!!
I am a proud American. I support our troops and our government. I come to this message board to check on my family. If I want to hear about dead children I will turn on the news. Not here folks, NOT HERE!
Don't give this guy the satisfaction of a response. Shut this thread down. Nothing good can come from this.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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It is sad that innocents die in war. Wish it weren't so, but it is. Shame that Al Quida forced us into this conflict. I'm sure every sane person wishes it hadn't happened.
Shame that ignorants perpetuate this way of life.
Misguided blame.
Ireland - I think they should get the nuts to deal with their own civilian bombing terrorists rather than wait on the US or Uk to take of it for them.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 11:20am » |
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Good Lord - just when I think we've reached the bottom of ignorance it just gets deeper - I'm happy enough to put a end to this post - but I was under the impression that the "General" posting board was, as it's name suggests, general. Is it just because these postings are controversial and against your loyalities (and please remember, the IRA activists - evil and idiotic as they are - feel that they are doing good by fighting for a united Ireland) that you want these posts to stop?
Far from trying to hurt anyone's feelings (and I unreservedly apologise if I have) I am simply trying to highlight some of the things that make me mad and sad 
Most of you are of the opinion that hiding your head in the sand will not solve the problem - that does not automatically mean that the current course of action is the "right" thing to do - open your minds. I support freedom of speech and opinion as much as you do so please show some respect for that at least.
P.S. - Donna - please have some decorum and don't resort to petty name calling - Mr. Potato Head indeed (although it did make me smile)
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Bob - I don't even know where to start in response to this one - we're not actually "waiting" for anyone. But - it does highlight an interesting point - 30 years of conflict has effectively been put on hold by opening up dialogue between the parties involved - not by trying to bomb the sh*t out of them.
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 9:42am, Ree wrote:| Why do you constantly try to fire up the board with stuff like this... Ive been staying away from threads like this... What do you think we should do to protect our country from these EVIL Terrorists.... say hold up your hand so that we know who to shoot. We are talking about terrorists that ask young men to blow themselves up... Do you think the powers that be over there care about a few kids dying... don't waste your breath. They take advantage of our American hearts and put women and children in harms way... Ken B. when you read an article like this be sure you balance it out by reading an obituary about a young soldier that died in Afghanistan. This is a volunteer Army, Navy and Marines... these boys like my sons are educated, and brave... people like you that constantly drum up arguments in the name of whatever you profess make me sick. Why not take up a cause here in our country. Why not write of the constant, everyday, pedophiles that steal our children here and mangle their bodies all up................ ree |
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This has been the most intelligent thing written in this thread. Ree, you have written this perfectly and I don't disagree with a thing in it.
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Thankyou Paigelle....
Mr Ken B. My sons are in a war against terrorism. They have served their country against Afghanistan... Iraq... Korea... Liberia...Kosovo...I am not allowed to divulge the exact jobs they have done. I like to think they are peace keepers, patriots. My son will serve in Iraq but I am sure before this is through in Afghanistan he will be there too as some of his friends are serving there right now. To say that I have no right to this argument is ludicrous. You have no right to this argument sir, what has it got to do with you? Ken B... I am from Boston where those hijackers stole two planes and killed the relatives of my friends... I live 5 minutes from a company that lost 7 employees, MOMs and DADs that went on a business trip to Cali that dreadful morning in Sept 2001.
One of my daycare moms lost a sister on that morning, she worked in NY in the twin towers... That is who I compare their loss to. Go to Hell sir! ree
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Can't wait to see the yee-haw, gung ho, lemming like cries of support for that emotionally charged outburst Ree.
Unlike you, I can detatch myself from the emotion and see the bigger picture. Tell me Ree, in your opinion, what is the endgame in this "war on terrorism"? Where does it all end? What defines a terrorist? These are tough questions to answer but my feeling is that the answers will be dictated by a US driven political agenda and not some mystical "fight for freedom" that your misguided President has been trying to sell to you.
As I pleaded before - open your mind.
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 12:34pm, KenB wrote:Can't wait to see the yee-haw, gung ho, lemming like cries of support for that emotionally charged outburst Ree.
Unlike you, I can detatch myself from the emotion and see the bigger picture. Tell me Ree, in your opinion, what is the endgame in this "war on terrorism"? Where does it all end? What defines a terrorist? These are tough questions to answer but my feeling is that the answers will be dictated by a US driven political agenda and not some mystical "fight for freedom" that your misguided President has been trying to sell to you.
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1) First of all sorry that I have so many friends that support the work of my already brave sons... that everyday try to make our world a better place to live in.
And yes they do believe in freedom.
2)How can you expect a mother that LIVES this war everyday to detatch herself emotionally that statement doesnt deserve any attention.
3)a-The definition of a terrorist to me is anyone that comes into our country unprovoked... only because of the way we live and kills and frightens un armed, people. b- Someone that straps bombs on young people and kills others that don't want to die.c-Some one that flies planes into buildings again unprovoked... etc etc... i could go on...........d-Someone that tries to change our way of life simply because of imposing terror and fear........
4)End game to me is to get rid of them...however that happens........ I believe in the afterlife sir... let God take care of them when they approach the Pearly Gates of Heaven
5) I have great respect for the office of the President of the United States...Here, I have the right to vote out of office in this~ free~ country of mine, anyone that I do not agree with.
6)Your opinions do not matter to me, you have not walked in my shoes. How you can shead tears for children you do not know and begrudge a person that has lived the nightmare.
7) IF I OPENED MY MIND ANY MORE ABOUT THESE EVENTS I WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO JOIN THE MILITARY SERVICE MYSELF~~~
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Bob - I don't even know where to start in response to this one - we're not actually "waiting" for anyone. But - it does highlight an interesting point - 30 years of conflict has effectively been put on hold by opening up dialogue between the parties involved - not by trying to bomb the sh*t out of them.
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Wow, Looks like we got 29 more years till we catch up with you!
Truth is, I hate war, i hate politics, and i hate people like you who never think outside of the bubble.
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