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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #25 on: Feb 8th, 2008, 9:01pm » |
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Well not only did Rolo leave but I see that he took all of his negative posts off the thread and left the others up. Maybe he will come back under another name and start over, unless he finds the need for MJ greater than the need to stop his clusters. 
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #26 on: Feb 8th, 2008, 9:08pm » |
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on Feb 8th, 2008, 9:01pm, Jimi wrote:| Well not only did Rolo leave but I see that he took all of his negative posts off the thread and left the others up. Maybe he will come back under another name and start over, unless he finds the need for MJ greater than the need to stop his clusters. |
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Well.... then I'm personally starting to feel like a very warm tater.....
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #27 on: Feb 8th, 2008, 10:23pm » |
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #28 on: Feb 8th, 2008, 11:30pm » |
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I wonder if his Mommy made him come up from the basement for supper?
Then while he was doing dishes, she deleted his profile.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #29 on: Feb 9th, 2008, 8:11pm » |
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I have no problems with Marijuana and believe it should be legalized, but for the record I'm stating this straight up for any CH sufferer who believe that alternate therapeutic usages of a plant may help them.
It's a definite no-no during a cycle of cluster headaches.
It acts as a trigger, it amplifies the pain of CHs, and the paranoiacal effect is particularly not good for the psychological response to a CH.
If you puff, stop cold turkey on the weed during a bout.
And if you can't, you're abusing it to begin with.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #30 on: Feb 9th, 2008, 9:39pm » |
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #31 on: Feb 9th, 2008, 11:03pm » |
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #32 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 1:25am » |
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LMAO Bill.
Ya know. I do believe I am going to completely stay out of threads like these. My blood pressure shoots up, I get angry, I get REALLY scared that DJ and this site will suffer from blatant references like the title of this thread.
I want all of you to know how much I appreciate the things you have said on my behalf here. I am also glad to see that I was not the only one who thought Roll-em (LOL) was out to solicit..
Most of you know that 2 of my sons are killing themselves with drugs and it's just a matter of time before I get "THAT call" so I am not in the best frame of mind when someone waltzes in here happily and laughingly talking about drugs of any kind that are illegal and for cripes sake don't work anyhow for CH.
I truly thank you guys for the back-up. 
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #33 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 4:47am » |
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Linda,
I thought Rolo was a jerk with bad manners.
I shouldn't have said in every possible way... What I meant to say was "hey you people who don't have problems with weed philosophically, here's some advice". It's definitely not for clusters.
I just wanted to share definitively that for those who, regardless of your views, tolerate specifically marijuana that it does them no favors while having cluster headaches.
Too many pot users believe it's a cure all for everything; and it's not. And desperate clusterheads will try all sorts of things - such as magic mushrooms. I don't think it does any damage to state that I don't have anything against the drug so this is not coming from a reaction - rather hard won experience would advise staying away from it during cluster bouts. If that saves someone from getting even one of these headaches, I don't see the harm done.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #34 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 7:49am » |
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As well they should, as long as they aren't pregnant or have a propensity toward schizophrenia or similar mental illness.
It may sound silly to somebody new around here, but it may be the best chance out there to kick the beast to the curb.
Folks on this board have been using and discussing psilocybin and related compounds for going on ten years now. Hundreds (that we know of...it could be thousands) have used it with great success. Some of these folks are still hanging around here.
Add oxygen as an abortive, and you have the one-two punch that can win your life back. Check it out: www.clusterbusters.com
If you find anything that works better to break a cycle and suppress attacks long term. you be sure to let me know, okay?
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #35 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 12:46pm » |
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just my 2 cents,
i smoked mj through this whole cycle no other meds apart from 02 and coffee, the mj in no way for me triggers clusters so it shouldnt be said that its a definite no no, its different for everybody,
just to let you guys know, ive had the shortest cycle to date 5 weeks, ive been pain free now for over a week,
huraaaayyyyyy 
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #36 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 3:16pm » |
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tommy, we don't disagree. i think magic mushrooms is a perfect case in point - a powerful natural substance that deserves rationally a serious study scientifically, and should any ch's get relief from it then yes the legal situation is absurd and pointless.
Linda i'm sorry pain is being caused in your life by drugs; i've been through that with family myself and have gotten that call, but one has to be objective as i think all clusterheads know that orthodox medical knowledge and legality (such as mushrooms) may not be in our favor.
prestwich it does seem to be different for everyone. i remember i did once in the early days get through a kip 8 by smoking a ginormous joint and thought i'd found a miracle cure - my diary though pointed out that days on which i used marijuana i did not immediately trigger a headache, rather on those days i'd get hit the hardest later. likewise cycles i abstain i get less frequent and lower scale attacks. also found that my natural anxiety levels were higher due to weed's paranoiacal effect. i'd rather have 0 headaches than a 3 day cycle - next time you're in cycle try abstaining from weed and see the results. but hey if it helps you, go for it.
one of the people who suggested i smoke marijuana for chronic pain was a neurologist who teaches at one of the most esteemed universities in the US. what i've found is that post cycle marijuana helps me with the post depression. it restores appetite, reduces lingering nausea from all the pain, relaxes my knotted muscles, keeps me from blowing up over small things, makes me appreciate simple things, and alleviates sadness and makes me more sociable. like any substance it can definitely be abused. but just as with magic mushrooms there is a large body of information on its helpfulness as a medical substance and it is used clinically in some parts of the u.s. to great effect, especially on cancer patients.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #37 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 9:27pm » |
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on Feb 10th, 2008, 3:16pm, otakuhouse wrote:one of the people who suggested i smoke marijuana for chronic pain was a neurologist who teaches at one of the most esteemed universities in the US.
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That being known and pertaining to chronic pain. Within the subject of clusters, it may be too broad a statement for most.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #38 on: Feb 10th, 2008, 11:38pm » |
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on Feb 10th, 2008, 3:16pm, otakuhouse wrote:
one of the people who suggested i smoke marijuana for chronic pain was a neurologist who teaches at one of the most esteemed universities in the US. the u.s. to great effect, especially on cancer patients. |
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That reminds me of the case of Dr Katelaris in Sydney a few years back. He was a pain specialist who was doing research work on marijuana for chronic pain. He obtained a permission to grow marijuana on his property for "research". However, in 2005 he was deregistered by the Medical Tribunal Board and charged with growing marijuana for personal use as well as selling them to patients and friends !
A case of Timothy Leary ?
No ethical doctor should tell patients to go "smoke marijuana for chronic pain". If they believe that can help in a particular case, the patient should be referred to enrol in one of the approved clinics or study trials.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #39 on: Feb 11th, 2008, 7:53am » |
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on Feb 10th, 2008, 9:27pm, Kevin_M wrote:
That being known and pertaining to chronic pain. Within the subject of clusters, it may be too broad a statement for most.
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I think it has medical applications for easing the nausea that accompanies chemotherapy as well.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #40 on: Feb 11th, 2008, 1:13pm » |
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Thanks Brew for the comment. It was a very lazy and sloppy post by me. I meant:
What's mentioned, I'm sure pot has been used for.
Quote:| what i've found is that post cycle marijuana helps me with the post depression. it restores appetite, reduces lingering nausea from all the pain, relaxes my knotted muscles, keeps me from blowing up over small things, makes me appreciate simple things, and alleviates sadness and makes me more sociable. |
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as well as chronic pain, and
Quote:there is a large body of information on its helpfulness as a medical substance...
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are known (which includes the nausea part and mentions cancer patients), but I'd say the part about it's use for chronic pain and helpfulness as a medical substance is a bit too broad concerning clusters for most and could hardly be approved medically for the condition or recommended approvingly for the attacking pain, despite how it might be chosen for other aspects in the life a clusterhead.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #41 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 7:17pm » |
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I was sooooooo not going to touch this thread (although as usual I have thoroughly enjoyed reading it!) but here I am throwing my 2 cents in!
Yep, I'm a social pot smoker meaning that I smoke it once in awhile kind of like how some people grab the odd beer with a friend. I also like the odd marini and glass of wine with dinner.
Does pot help my CH? Nope, not at all and it is not the 'drug of choice' I reach for when I experience an attack. That is usually 02 and if that doesn't work, a quick little shot of Imtrex will usually do the trick. Does it aggravate my CH when I am in cycle? Well, since I am chronic and always in cycle I will simply say that if I am between attacks and I decide to partake, it does not seem to trigger another attack. If I am in a space where I am having back-to-back attacks, smoking pot is the furthest thing from my mind.
I think the most important thing is that we continue to recognize that each persons CH is personal...what works for one does not always work for another. I believe most of us are simply trying to find something, anything that helps deal with our CH and have a great life in spite of it. The severity of the pain that we deal with often leaves some of us to consider options that we normally would never pursue. It is like that for almost everyone who deals with chronic pain, no matter what the cause.
On this message board, I love and value the information that is shared, whether personal, medical articles or whatever. What I find difficult is when people offer absolutes, not based on personal experience but simply from their own judgements and biases. Its ok to have opinions for sure, and we all do...but I think we do a disservice to anyone seeking valid information. when we simply dismiss something because we have personal issues with it.
It would be very selfish (not to mention foolish) of me to say that energy drinks don't work if I have never tried one to help abort a hit. It would also be irresponsible of me when trying to help someone if I were to say "don't do something" because I didn't think it was right...know what I mean? Especially if they saw me as someone who was more knowledgeable in a specific area than they and had more experience dealing with the issue.
Personally, I think we are brave and compassionate people but sometimes our egos get the best of us. Nothing to be ashamed of but definately something to be aware of.
Ok, that's my 2 cents...and we all know that doesn't buy shit these days!
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #42 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:00pm » |
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I remember Rolo, he was an ok dude when he showed up here (even PM'ed a few times) awhile back. Maybe, just maybe he felt comfortable enough to bring this subject up.
Thats just my take on this!
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #43 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:08pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 7:17pm, Miz_D wrote:Does pot help my CH? Nope, not at all and it is not the 'drug of choice' I reach for when I experience an attack.
Its ok to have opinions for sure, and we all do...but I think we do a disservice to anyone seeking valid information. when we simply dismiss something because we have personal issues with it. |
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This is a bit of the situation to which opinions and information were given.
Quote:I got laid off a month ago...
I am afraid that when I start a new job that I will loose it from CH hits during the day.
I only need 2 hits at bed time to keep me right but can't do it anymore. Anyone have any suggestions?
I have wanted to quit for a long time, but every time I do the CH kicks into overdrive and I start back up again.
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How would two hits at night alleviate his fear of getting hit at work, or would he have to smoke at any new job, too? Would that work out ok and also be a consistently effective abortive enough to maintain a job? Is continuing rolling to alleviate pain the answer or is there more he can do?
Any opinion, 2 cents, or valid information? I did not understand the ego part without your input also.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #44 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:14pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 7:17pm, Miz_D wrote:
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It dont help you, but what if it helps Rolo?
We are not all the same which is a subject that has been beat to death.
What if pot did help this dude....and now he was run out of here because pot dont help EVERYONE?
Think about it!
Like I said...he was a good dude to me and I can smell a rat real good on this site....and he was not one!
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #45 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 9:50pm » |
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Hi Kevin,
In response to your post, I did not conclude that a) he got laid off due to smoking, I thought it could have been due to any number of reasons. b) the fact that he was concerned about losing a new job to CH hits during the day also did not indicate to me that those concerns were based on smoking. They could have been, but since he did not say that, I did not jump to that conclusion. When he stated that he only needed “2 hits at bedtime to keep him right but can't do it anymore”and then asked for any suggestions, those who responded with suggestions were accurate. What I was commenting on in my post was that when someone gives suggestions it is more beneficial and appropriate if those suggestions are based on fact and personal experience in relation to CH and not based on personal bias.
If this individual has a problem with smoking pot, wouldn't it be more appropriate to “suggest” that he seek professional help or, if there is someone on the message board that has this professional experience, send him a private message? I do not think we are here to pass judgment on others or to act as legal, marriage or financial counselors. Because in truth we are all here because we suffer from Cluster Headaches and we can find solace and understanding from others who know what we go through.
What makes this website and, particularly this message board so effective is that many of us have dealt with our CH for quite some time and are knowledgeable regarding our condition and how it effects us personally. When we share that information with each other, and new medical information as it becomes available, we collectively benefit. When ego gets involved (and ya know, we all have one like it or not)and we allow our personal judgments to dictate how we respond to others and that response is less than compassionate, then we are doing each other a disservice. I am not the most articulate person in the world and so perhaps I am not clearly expressing my meaning. But I am hoping that you can understand the gist of what I am trying to say and take my post in the light that it was intended, which was that of a reminder I guess, for all of us. None of us is perfect and fortunately we don't need to be to be wonderful people.
If my post offended anyone, I sincerely apologize. I guess I better start baking for Dallas now....
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:14pm, Jonny wrote:
It dont help you, but what if it helps Rolo?
We are not all the same which is a subject that has been beat to death.
What if pot did help this dude....and now he was run out of here because pot dont help EVERYONE?
Think about it!
Like I said...he was a good dude to me and I can smell a rat real good on this site....and he was not one!
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That was in fact the point of my posts. It very well might work for some and even if it doesn't work for me today who's to say that it won't tomorrow?
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #47 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 10:16pm » |
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I am going to go on the assumption that you are referring to me, MizD.
I'm with Kevin and a lot of others here on how this guy portrayed himself in that first post and I stand by that.
As for "ego" as you say....I assure you, I have none.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #48 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 10:24pm » |
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on Feb 13th, 2008, 9:50pm, Miz_D wrote:| I did not conclude that a) he got laid off due to smoking, I thought it could have been due to any number of reasons. b) the fact that he was concerned about losing a new job to CH hits during the day also did not indicate to me that those concerns were based on smoking. They could have been, but since he did not say that, I did not jump to that conclusion. |
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Nothing at all indicated he was laid off for that reason, no conclusions were jumped to, any number of reasons would be correct. He indicated pot alleviated night hits, was concerned about day hits on the job, what was he going to do about this with pot for clusters? I don't see any conclusion jumped to.
Quote:If this individual has a problem with smoking pot,...
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A problem was not mentioned, and I don't see how the other sentence comes into the picture helping with clusters.
My questions were:
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These would be considerations to his situation.
His replies were a different situation.
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I do not understand this without your input.
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Re: Last dance with Mary Jane?
« Reply #49 on: Feb 13th, 2008, 10:25pm » |
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