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Lidocaine???
« on: Dec 20th, 2004, 5:40pm »
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anyone sniff this stuff?
 
i'm on trex pills... i know, i know, but they usually work pretty well for me. it's just that i obviously can't take a trex shot if i get hit when i'm taking the pills anyway. this hardly ever happens, but it's happened twice, and so i'm exploring emergency options...
 
does the lidocaine work cuz i can take that and trex at the same time...
 
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Re: Lidocaine???
« Reply #1 on: Dec 20th, 2004, 6:01pm »
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My hubby has used the lidocaine. It worked for him for about 5min. That was about long enough for me to make sure he had O2 handy. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 20th, 2004, 8:31pm »
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 20th, 2004, 8:37pm »
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Yes, lidocaine can help a lot.  
 
You have to really snort to get it high enough in there and it burns but it's a good burn.  If it doesn't burn, it's not in there high enough and/or you haven't used enough.  
 
5% is better than a lower percentage and the petrolatum-based ointment is better than the water-based gel because it doesn't run so much.  It's around $13.00 at drugstore.com and at that price it's worth a try:
 
Lidocaine HCl
35.44GM tube  (about an ounce)
5% ointment
 
You can get it in other countries for a couple of bucks a tube.
 
Good luck.
 
p.s. it probably goes without saying but you use it on the same side as your CH
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 20th, 2004, 8:40pm »
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 2:04am »
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something about sniffing oil-based ointment seems very unpleasant. not nearly as unpleasant as a CH, but still...
 
ah-well, i'll keep researching. so far so good with the new trex pills. only needed one today...
 
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 6:00am »
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Bandette
 
Why not get 02 to use when you get more hits than the Imigran can deal with? Much better than Lidocaine which only seems to help a handful of people.
Better still in my case, I use the 02 for all hits, and the Imigran as back up if the 02 fails. Grin
 
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 8:33am »
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Tried it in drops, still have the bottle in the bathroom.  Its just not possible to keep my head held back and to the side, (read: haveing to sit still) to keep the CHit up there to find out if it works at all or not for the attacks, but it sure helps the cuts and scrapes that happen round this place... Grin
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 8:58am »
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on Dec 21st, 2004, 6:00am, pubgirl wrote:
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Why not get 02 to use when you get more hits than the Imigran can deal with? Much better than Lidocaine which only seems to help a handful of people.
Better still in my case, I use the 02 for all hits, and the Imigran as back up if the 02 fails. Grin
 
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yeah, the O2 is problematic with my lifestyle because i work with psychiatric patients and i'm a full-time student. i also travel a lot as a professional business writer and classical singer when i have "down" time. plus, i've been traveling touring potential law schools for when i graduate. so, trying to do all of this with an oxygen tank nearby would be quite inconvenient. however it is not an option that i have completely ruled out--just one that my neuro and i have put on the back burner for now.
 
i'm taking the trex pills--frankly i did better with the Relpax pills, so i think i'm going to ask to have the script switched. the neuro tried trex because you physically get more pills per pack, so it's cheaper and will prevent some possible insurance restrictions (which i don't have thankfully--i checked).
 
the trex injections, while they work great as an abortive on an acute attack, do nothing to prevent. i found that the pill form stays in my system longer than the injections, so they have worked as a preventative for me if i take them when i get strong shadows. yet, the pills don't do a thing for an acute attack.  
 
while it's rare, very rare, for me to get an acute attack while i'm on the trex or relpax pills, it has happened twice in the three weeks i've been suffering with ch. i did go four days without any scripts, and i got up to four acute attacks every day/night. so, it reasonably follows tht the pills work quite well for me.
 
i'm just looking for something that i can use as an abortive in those rare instances when i do get a hit while on the pills. you're right in that O2 might work, but the chances of me having it nearby are quite slim even with the smaller tanks. i was hoping to find something a bit more portable  Undecided
 
thanks as always for your thoughtfulness... it is something i'm keeping in mind.  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 9:04am »
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For me, Lidocaine is pretty much a waste of effort. I have been successful in stopping a few attacks with a 15% solution, but they always return within minutes. Anything less than 15% had no effect at all.
 
Just my 2 cents in a world where pennies are worthless…….
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 9:07am »
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on Dec 21st, 2004, 8:33am, Redd715 wrote:
Tried it in drops, still have the bottle in the bathroom.  Its just not possible to keep my head held back and to the side, (read: haveing to sit still) to keep the CHit up there to find out if it works at all or not for the attacks, but it sure helps the cuts and scrapes that happen round this place... Grin

 
sometimes i think it'd help if someone just spanked me over the head with a frying pan and knocked my ass out! then i'd just have a silly throbbing lump on my head versus the friggin beast trying to poke my eye out of my head with a flame thrower from inside my brain.
 
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 9:09am »
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on Dec 21st, 2004, 9:04am, Marc wrote:
For me, Lidocaine is pretty much a waste of effort. I have been successful in stopping a few attacks with a 15% solution, but they always return within minutes. Anything less than 15% had no effect at all.
 
Just my 2 cents in a world where pennies are worthless…….

 
Wink ugh! k. think these answers really tell me all i need to know--LOOK ELSEWHERE for an abortive...  
 
thanks! i'll take those two cents and add them to the rest of the "tips" i get around here. it's all legal tender, my friend.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 9:20am »
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My story...I sometimes find it difficult to keep the O2 mask pressed to my face when things get bad so my doctor had a lidocane nasal spray formulated that I use first.  The lidocane does nothing for the CH but it does make the O2 mask tolerable and the O2 is a true blessing.  I only need to use it when my cycle seems to be getting me up into the kip 8+ range
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 11:58am »
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As far as O2 tanks being an inconvenience...you can get tanks that are small enough to fit in a back pack.
Ihave several in my car because I am constantly on the road when in between clients....I can also bring them into my clients houses and they are none the wiser.
 
Not too inconvenient and way more convenient than an attack lasting longer and completely interfering with work and school.
 
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on Dec 21st, 2004, 11:58am, E-Double wrote:
As far as O2 tanks being an inconvenience...you can get tanks that are small enough to fit in a back pack.

 
What size/# is that?
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What size/# is that?

 
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 21st, 2004, 6:32pm »
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Over here the CD cylinder really is portable, many sufferers carry them around when in cycle, the problem is more commonly getting employers or organisations  to accept having a tank of oxygen on the premises because of the "danger".
Most of them seem to find that if they bother asking, their insurance companies are fine with it when assured that it is being stored safely and away from any risk areas.
 
I take mine almost everywhere when in cycle, but then I travel by car so I just tuck it in the boot (sorry, trunk Grin)
I know one lady sufferer who takes hers everywhere in a wheeled shopping trolley!
 
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Re: Lidocaine???
« Reply #17 on: Dec 22nd, 2004, 10:08am »
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I tried it and it made it WORSE!!!!
 
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Like applying a bandaid to a severed limb.
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