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Reply #100 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:20pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:08pm:

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People on the left sure are sensitive about that name thing. It's really quite stunning.

Dude, do you know how many serial killers and baby rapists are named Bill?
To try to draw a connection between you and other people named Bill is not just elementary, it's preschool.

If you think there is a connection between people who share a name, howcome you never try to draw a connection between George H. Walker Bush, Jr and John Walker Lindh? What about George Galloway, the child rapist? Is there a connection between the 2 since their names are both George?

Dude, you're making my point for me.

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BMoneeTheMoneeMan CH.com Alumnus Offline In remembrance of KingCazman. RIP Posts: 2674 Portland, OR	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #101 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:24pm How about a response, Bill?
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Brew

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Reply #102 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:48pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:24pm:

How about a response, Bill?

How about this?

I appreciate your somewhat absurd examples, but I fail to see why my mentioning Barack Hussein Obama's full name should be something that causes his supporters to become so defensive. His middle name doesn't bother me, why should it bother them? It's almost as if he has achieved the level of "He Whose Name Must Not Be Spoken."

I know he's the Messiah to some, but this is becoming a little ridiculous, don't you think?

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Reply #103 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:52pm

Bob P wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 1:47pm:

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Look how many people poo-poo welfare and poo-poo the lower tax rate for the top 2%

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Think you must have been influenced by the media.

How about a chart that shows the percent of income that goes to taxes, not total taxes paid.

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Reply #104 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:59pm

monty wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:11pm:

On the other hand, I do think that a person that reads newspapers, magazines, or a wide variety of sources on the internet CAN figure out where the candidates stand on tax policy, Iraq, healthcare, and any other issue that is of interest.

Well, if you think that any of the main party candidates actually have a stand on any issue besides keeping the balance of power right were it is, then it's pointless for the two of us to continue the conversation.

I do give America some credit there are a few critical thinking civilians left and the independant parties are gaining strenght in local areas. It will just take time to demolish the republicrat juggernaut that has enslaved the working class of this country for the last fifty years.

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Reply #105 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 3:04pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:01pm:

I guess I didnt state my point well, Bob. My point was that Bush Jr and the right wing media say that lower taxes on the rich mean more investment from them, thus resulting in more overall jobs or whatnot.

This economic stimulus welfare package was for people making 75k or less. From 75k to 150k was a very small amount of welfare, over 150k was no welfare.

So, if lower taxes on the rich means more jobs and all that shit, howcome the welfare package excluded them?

Wealth envy. Pure and simple Congress knew that if they enacted a fair and equitable system, the "poor" voters would pitch a bi+ch and their seats would be in jeopardy.

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Reply #106 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 3:14pm

Bro, you hit the nail on the head. It is ridiculous. You know the only reason you say his middle name is because he shares the same name as a murderer. I don't see why you do this and then say I am absurd because you share the same name as other murderers.

I am not getting defensive, I didn't even vote for Obama. He has a shitload of 'no votes' in his short history as politician. However, I do like his voting record for things he has voted on, with the exception of the energy bills. I'd say I might agree with him on 50% of his votes or more.

I'm not sure about the messiah, but I do know playing the name game after age 8 is ridiculous. I certainly wouldn't expect that from you.

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Reply #107 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 3:26pm

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 3:14pm:

I'm not sure about the messiah, but I do know playing the name game after age 8 is ridiculous.

Banana-fanna Ehud-Barak-Manna ... Anna!

I think its funny that Barack/Barak is the name of Israel's Defense Minister. Obama's name is a Semitic festival!!

Wikipedia does not mention his mother's name ... WTF? What is the media trying to hide?? Why won't they mention her name?? Why won't they release her (real) birth certificate?? That would clear up this whole cloud I created.

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Reply #108 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 3:36pm

It amazes me how worked up some will get over the most insignificant stuff.

Just to be fair, from now on, on this thread only, I will call his opponent by his full name: John Sidney McCain III (who happens to share the same first name as John Wayne Gacey, and the same middle name as Sydney Ellen Wade's first name, the girlfriend of the POTUS in the movie The American President) - albeit an alternate spelling.

Fair enough?

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Reply #109 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:20pm

Hey Paul. In truth, what honestly irked me about the article was that president Drew Johnson used the information to do some emotional instilling with name-calling, like fraud and hypocrite. Gore flies around the country giving speeches, his footprint is unmistakably huge.
The overriding purpose also of the article I saw was in these sentences:

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Gore’s personal electricity consumption up 10%, despite "energy-efficient" home renovations

Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the home’s windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the "green" overhaul.

This says that with all the latest "alternative energy" ideas, Gore increased his energy consumption, which would make some think the whole idea of alternative energy is a bunch of bunk also. Suspiciously this sounds like fossil fuel talking, inferring that not only is Gore bunk, green is bunk, and the ideas of getting away from fossil fuels is bunk, too. Just my opinion.

Weird, messages in articles can hit different people different ways, however, there is an oily footprint in the shadow of the message.

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Reply #110 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:28pm

If he was truly concerned about conserving energy (and how ironic would that be? a liberal being conservative), he would give his speeches over the internet. He knows it can be done - he invented it.

I'm willing to bet that his increased energy consumption is due to the addition of high-intensity lights in his trophy cabinets. He's earned an awful lot of them lately.

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Agostino Leyre CH.com Sponsor Offline "Hit like a phillips head into my brain." Posts: 3803 Madison WI USA Gender:	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #111 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:30pm Quote: If he was truly concerned about conserving energy (and how ironic would that be? a liberal being conservative), he would give his speeches over the internet. He knows it can be done - he invented it. Now that there is right funny, I don't care who you are!
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #112 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:38pm It's hard for me to say how effective internet versus live presentations are. But if an energy conscious band only played on the internet for free downloads and never traveled for live performances, would it be the same? Just reaching for a familiar ground perspective from you about something I don't know.
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Reply #113 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:54pm

Agostino Leyre wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 2:59pm:

Yes, I do think that there are differences between the candidates - in terms of taxes, in terms of appointments to the Supreme Court, in terms of health care, in terms of energy priorities and policies.

To a Libertarian or Marxist-Leninist or Green party member, both the Democratic and Republican parties are the same; they don't value and protect freedom, they don't really fight for the worker, and they aren't going all-out for the environment. Putting aside the parties that currently don't have a chance, focusing only on the two main choices that are there, I do see significant differences. Progress is slow, people do often get side-tracked or corrupted, but change can and does happen.

Maybe we are too far apart to talk about it any more. Ok. I gotta finish these reports. Maybe another day, another topic.

The outer boundary of what we currently believe is feasible is far short of what we actually must do.

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #114 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:56pm Quote: How about a chart that shows the percent of income that goes to taxes, not total taxes paid. It's there Thomas, on the right side of the chart. The top 1% of wage earners pay 38% of the taxes collected.
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Brew

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Reply #115 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:56pm

There's the difference between Al and me - I'm not a hypocrite about it. I proudly consume gas, oil, electricity, natural gas. Most of the time that I play, I'm donating my time and talent (what little there is of it) for a greater good, like looking for a cure for lupus, getting an autistic girl a guide dog, or trying to get a little kid a kidney that works. But I have to spend some carbon credits to do it. At least I admit it.

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Reply #116 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:59pm

Bob P wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:56pm:

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How about a chart that shows the percent of income that goes to taxes, not total taxes paid.

It's there Thomas, on the right side of the chart. The top 1% of wage earners pay 38% of the taxes collected.

You're not getting what I'm saying, how much of their income goes towards taxes, as in the percentage of the money they make, not the percentage of taxes.

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Gator Ex Member	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #117 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 5:14pm Thomas, that's in the middle of the chart. The top 1% pays 21.4% of their income in taxes. The lowest tax bracket pays 3.1%. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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Reply #118 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 5:14pm

I guess it was more of a hypothetical question, if there was an energy conscious band, would it be practical to not play live, do shows by internet, maybe even for causes.

I don't know what Al admits about personal lifestyle, he'd be aware jets are burn a bunch.

In your case, presence for good causes puts you there, in person, meaningfully.

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Brew Ex Member	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #119 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 5:17pm Kevin_M wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 5:14pm: I guess it was more of a hypothetical question, if there was an energy conscious band, would it be practical to not play live, do shows by internet, maybe even for causes. Steely Dan?
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Reply #120 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 5:19pm

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Thomas, that's in the middle of the chart. The top 1% pays 21.4% of their income in taxes. The lowest tax bracket pays 3.1%.

Don't be fooled by the title of that middle column - that's average tax rate paid in INCOME taxes. It doesn't include all the other taxes that people pay (sales, gas, property, wheel, etc.)

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Reply #121 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 8:08pm

So far over a million people have signed the petition!

Perhaps congress will smarten up when people cant afford to eat. Food was becoming a problem with cost and availability and that was before the mid-west flooding. It is going to get very expensive come Aug folks! The resurve grain supplies the USA usally have on hand are basically gone.

-P.

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Brew Ex Member	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #122 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 8:32pm Paul98 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 8:08pm: Perhaps congress will smarten up when people cant afford to eat. Or perhaps some of us will actually live to experience the 2nd American Revolution.
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Jonny Ex Member	Re: Drill here, drill now, pay less... Reply #123 - Jun 19^th, 2008 at 8:54pm Whats in a name when you can show that you have no idea WTF your doing when it comes to foriegn policy............in public! Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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