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scared but now looks like this is why
Jun 27th, 2012 at 6:02pm
 
Hi everyone , i have just joined this site . I have just been diagnosed with having these headaches and was terrified over them. I have never felt pain like it now im trying to find out what i can do for the best. Are these stress related? I have to work through these as I have my own business with no support as I have no more staff and for the last month I have slowly become so disinterested with my work. Can anyone show me the best way to deal with this as my doctors are so lapse and i felt a bit of a fraud. many thanks if anyone can help me
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Re: scared but now looks like this is why
Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 8:49am
 
I feel your pain.  I am in a similar situation - self employed and in the middle of a stressful project, and the middle of a cycle.  Where I am ahead of you is that I know what it is, I know what works (atleast for me, and atleast for now) to kill the headache and I finally have a plan for prevention.

My advice - and I think you will get others on this board who will echo it, is do your research - look at some of the marked posts on this board and print out the information.  Tell your doctor that you want the first line treatment option.  Imetrix injections for abortive (they are magic - pain free and able to focus within minutes), Prednizone taper and Verapamil as a preventative.  That sums up what I have found to be the first thing most doctors will go for.  Bad news is that Imetrix (even the generic) is expensive, but if you can get a script and are willing to buy through a Canadian pharmacy you can significantly reduce the cost - but it still stings.  Good news is the Pred and Verapamil are not expensive.

I just started on the Pred and Verapamil - about 1/2 way through my taper.  Will see if it works.  So far no major side effects, I feel better - but I have had CH's - though not as bad nor as long in duration, and they respond to an imetrix shot quickly.

Do not make the mistake I made - which was when the cycle went away I canceled my appointments and hoped they were gone for good.  Took me 4 cycles before I finally decided I needed to be much more proactive.  Save yourself the pain and do it now.

Also - many on this board swear by D3 and O2 as treatments.  I have started taking the D3 - didn't seem to help the CH's - but definently gave me more energy and when no head ache I do feel noticeably better.  O2 did not work for me - but I did not try it at the levels, purity or with the good equipment that is advocated on this board - so cannot be sure it would not work.  Since I can afford to by the Imetrix and have the script I have decided to stick with that as my abortive - if the Verapamil does not work long term, I will revisit O2.

You can survive this - I have had very stressful jobs over the last 5 years, plus a very stressfull family/personal issues (son diagnosised with Idiopathic Aplastic Anemia - very rare desease), but have still managed to stay successful and live my life.

Good luck to you
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Re: scared but now looks like this is why
Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 9:38am
 
Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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Headache, in general, is a far more complex area of medicine than is appreciated. That you don't have a doc who knows what to do suggests the first step: find some skill. The alternative is, like far too many folks, to spend years struggling with a disorder which can be controlled, with appropriate knowledge.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

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        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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IF you are stuck with you present doc, the question shifts to: is he open to receiving good medical info which we can offer. Many of us have had to educate our primary care doc so that they could treat us. Not the best approach but, with a good, open working relationship, it works. Might try by print out the PDF file and give to you doc as a "discussion" tool re. treatment. His response will be telling.
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Educating yourself is critical so that you know when you are being treated well.

PDF file, below, is the latest evaluation of commonly used meds for Cluster and if doc is not using, it signals an issue to attend to.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Explore, buttons, left, starting with the OUCH site, and these links:


A couple of sites which are worth your attention: medical literature, films, plus the expected information
about CH.

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Crank up your printer. Author, and the associated site, is excellent source; one of the better headache docs in the mid-west.

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ALL NEW!! HEADACHE 2010-2011
Robbins Headache Clinic

Free, 50-page. Covers all major headache Dx and
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In a PDF file.
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He has two books, one for M.D., one for us. The second one is worth a buy and read. Believe titles on listed on this site.
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Given the vulnerability of your work situation, would suggest that you use the most aggressive meds to both reduce/prevent attacks and those which kill an attack.

There are a number of alternative treatments which you will find mentioned here but my bias is for those with solid, published evaluation data (considering the work situation).

Until you have developed an effective, stable treatment plan--working with the doc--I'd encourage you to not try multiple treatments at the same time. Confuses any effort to determine what mix is best for you.

Read stuff here as much as you can and ask specific questions.




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Re: scared but now looks like this is why
Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2012 at 10:00am
 
Excellent advice above, I'll restate the advice to be pro-active in battling the beast. This condition ALWAYS comes back, so you must always be prepared to do battle. It's an orphan condition, doesn't kill you, doesn't have any star qualities to it, so chances are your treating doctor will have never treated another CH'er. That makes it YOUR job to educate yourself as to all treatment options, and keep detailed records on what does and doesn't work for you.

If you can get to a headache specialist neurologist, your odds at a succesful treatment regimen go WWAAYY up!

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