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Oct 22nd, 2013 at 10:22am
 
I felt compelled to post for the first time after using this site during those moments we all know about.  I have been suffering from CH's since I was 21.  Been through the ringer and tried everything from Red Bull to Oxygen, to the standard triptan's.  A few months ago, I went to my doc for another reason and asked him to run my Testosterone levels.  They were beyond low.  I was suffering from low energy and everything else associated.  I have episodic CH's.  Usually in the fall.  About 3 times a day.  After some research on all of the things Low T cures, I searched Low T and CH.  And it turns out there is some decent research explaining there is a connection.  Please check your levels.  It might not work for everyone, but fingers crossed, this was my issue.  Being that CH hit mostly men in their 30's, 40's, and 50's, it makes sense.  This stuff changed my life in one month.  I am hopeful that this was the reason I suffered from CH.  If anyone has been on T therapy, please respond and let me know if it helped you.  It can't hurt and after trying everything else, I think I may have found my cure.  Good luck to everyone.
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Re: Low T and CH **** Check your levels
Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 12:44pm
 
Hello,

This never came to my mind before...

I just by curiosity looked for link between testosterone vs asetaldehyde.

Wow!!!

You might have a Point there!

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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
Headache. 2006 Jun;46(6):925-33. 


Testosterone replacement therapy for treatment refractory cluster headache.

Stillman MJ.

Objectives.-To describe the clinical characteristics and laboratory findings of cluster headache patients whose headaches responded to testosterone replacement therapy. Background.-Current evidence points to hypothalamic dysfunction, with increased metabolic hyperactivity in the region of the suprachiasmatic nucleus, as being important in the genesis of cluster headaches. This is clinically borne out in the circadian and diurnal behavior of these headaches. For years it has been recognized that male cluster headache patients appear overmasculinized. Recent neuroendocrine and sleep studies now point to an association between gonadotropin and corticotropin levels and hypothalamically entrained pineal secretion of melatonin. Results.-Seven male and 2 female patients, seen between July 2004 and February 2005, and between the ages of 32 and 56, are reported with histories of treatment resistant cluster headaches accompanied by borderline low or low serum testosterone levels. The patients failed to respond to individually tailored medical regimens, including melatonin doses of 12 mg a day or higher, high flow oxygen, maximally tolerated verapamil, antiepileptic agents, and parenteral serotonin agonists. Seven of the 9 patients met 2004 International Classification for the Diagnosis of Headache criteria for chronic cluster headaches; the other 2 patients had episodic cluster headaches of several months duration. After neurological and physical examination all patients had laboratory investigations including fasting lipid panel, PSA (where indicated), LH, FSH, and testosterone levels (both free and total). All 9 patients demonstrated either abnormally low or low, normal testosterone levels. After supplementation with either pure testosterone in 5 of 7 male patients or combination testosterone/estrogen therapy in both female patients, the patients achieved cluster headache freedom for the first 24 hours. Four male chronic cluster patients, all with abnormally low testosterone levels, achieved remission. Conclusions.-Abnormal testosterone levels in patients with episodic or chronic cluster headaches refractory to maximal medical management may predict a therapeutic response to testosterone replacement therapy. In the described cases, diurnal variation of attacks, a seasonal cluster pattern, and previous, transient responsiveness to melatonin therapy pointed to the hypothalamus as the site of neurological dysfunction. Prospective studies pairing hormone levels and polysomnographic data are needed.

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There is strikingly little attention given to this approach in the medical literature more recent than this abstract. Suggests that, while this may work for some, that it hasn't gained broad acceptance/interest.

One reason, perhaps,  is that the side effects of long use of Tes. is not as benign as current ads would lead you to believe. And we need a fix which can be used for decades!
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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 2:18pm
 
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This is a link to an older thread regarding the link between low T and CH. Many have tried the therapy with varying degrees of success.

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Reply #4 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 7:54am
 
Zinc status and serum testosterone levels of healthy adults
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 3:59am
 
About low T and trying to raise your level ... you might want to read this first:

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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2013 at 10:26am
 
Your discovery has been mentioned in medical literature but very little. Suggests that it's not being used widely as a treatment, i.e., perhaps only a few men respond. ?????
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Headache. 2006 Jun;46(6):925-33. 


Testosterone replacement therapy for treatment refractory cluster headache.

Stillman MJ.

Objectives.-To describe the clinical characteristics and laboratory findings of cluster headache patients whose headaches responded to testosterone replacement therapy. Background.-Current evidence points to hypothalamic dysfunction, with increased metabolic hyperactivity in the region of the suprachiasmatic nucleus, as being important in the genesis of cluster headaches. This is clinically borne out in the circadian and diurnal behavior of these headaches. For years it has been recognized that male cluster headache patients appear overmasculinized. Recent neuroendocrine and sleep studies now point to an association between gonadotropin and corticotropin levels and hypothalamically entrained pineal secretion of melatonin. Results.-Seven male and 2 female patients, seen between July 2004 and February 2005, and between the ages of 32 and 56, are reported with histories of treatment resistant cluster headaches accompanied by borderline low or low serum testosterone levels. The patients failed to respond to individually tailored medical regimens, including melatonin doses of 12 mg a day or higher, high flow oxygen, maximally tolerated verapamil, antiepileptic agents, and parenteral serotonin agonists. Seven of the 9 patients met 2004 International Classification for the Diagnosis of Headache criteria for chronic cluster headaches; the other 2 patients had episodic cluster headaches of several months duration. After neurological and physical examination all patients had laboratory investigations including fasting lipid panel, PSA (where indicated), LH, FSH, and testosterone levels (both free and total). All 9 patients demonstrated either abnormally low or low, normal testosterone levels. After supplementation with either pure testosterone in 5 of 7 male patients or combination testosterone/estrogen therapy in both female patients, the patients achieved cluster headache freedom for the first 24 hours. Four male chronic cluster patients, all with abnormally low testosterone levels, achieved remission. Conclusions.-Abnormal testosterone levels in patients with episodic or chronic cluster headaches refractory to maximal medical management may predict a therapeutic response to testosterone replacement therapy. In the described cases, diurnal variation of attacks, a seasonal cluster pattern, and previous, transient responsiveness to melatonin therapy pointed to the hypothalamus as the site of neurological dysfunction. Prospective studies pairing hormone levels and polysomnographic data are needed.

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