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« on: Dec 13th, 2003, 5:27pm » |
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2 weeks ago i was notified by my employer that i would be laid off after 12 years on the job. Seems my company has decided to keep a skeleton crew and has also built another plant in Hungary. Blah blah blah, Same old crap!
Yesterday we were informed that we might possibly be awarded one of the contracts in the rebuilding of Iraq. If that is true, then my company says they will recall all workers.
Now for the political part of this......
How in the hell do countries like France, Germany and Russia get the nerve to say they also should have a chance at being awarded these contracts? I mean, This is american money they are whining about. How much money have they contributed to the cause, I know they haven't sent troops!
From what i understand, They havent sent a dime for the cause, yet they are bitching because they cant bid on the contracts!
If you didnt put anything in, How can you expect to get anything out! Oh man, I am pissed. I am holding back what i really want to say!
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #1 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 5:31pm » |
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I say this with the most respect to whoever may get offended as I can muster..
... fuck the fucking fuckers.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #2 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 5:33pm » |
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I'd rather see you jobless than to think of you working in Iraq... thats not a political statement just a family love one.............
I hear you though. They should not be involved in the rebuilding........and take away jobs for American companies... I'd like to see them use some of their(other countries) cash though. just my opinion... be safe Patrick......... no Iraq for you!!! ree
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 5:36pm » |
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Sorry, I should have elaborated more. I build Power turbines. They would be used to generate electricity. We build them here and ship them there.
Patrick, who wont be going to Iraq anytime this century!
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 6:00pm » |
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The only contract that should be awarded to the French is the one to re build the sewer system.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 6:05pm » |
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Don't lose too much sleep over the Germans and the French. They'll be there through subsidiaries and the like. They're going to be "nice" for awhile. They have it figured out that being at odds with England and the US is a really dumb idea.
I hope James Baker can talk the rest of NATO into some military action as well as getting them to forgive Iraqi debt which is his basic mission. We just don't have enough men there. Let NATO take over security of something like the Kurdish areas and others so we can free up enough troops to insure some real security. They can at least work with us this way. The French are doing some of this with us in Afghanistan, by the way. They’ve been there a long time.
I can understand your feelings. This is true for everything. Companies don't think twice of laying off Americans and encouraging workers to take early "retirement" so they can move operations to some place where wages are about enough to keep the workers basically alive so they can assemble flashlights and remote controls.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 6:16pm » |
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I agree one hundred percent with you Patrick!!
Fuck anybody that don't like it!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 7:35pm » |
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On Fox news this morning some ex-diplomat muc said only 2 of the 17 bln would be excluded, acted like he knew what he was talking about and was pissed at the Pentagon for screwing up the chance that France, Germany and Russia would forgive or restructure Iraq's debt. If he is right this was just a feel good speech for G.W.B., he is on the campaign trail. 
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 8:40pm » |
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i'm a little unclear on the connection...
because the US went in and leveled Iraq, they should profit by the rebuilding process?
*** don't get me wrong - I'm 100% behind getting rid of Saddam ***
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 9:03pm » |
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Grant, it's my toy and you can't play with it. OK..........
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 9:06pm » |
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if that's the case, why are most of the peace-keeping troops and "rebuilders" in Afghanistan non-American?
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 9:06pm, brain_cramps wrote:Lee
if that's the case, why are most of the peace-keeping troops and "rebuilders" in Afghanistan non-American?
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Because they don't have any oil?
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 9:35pm » |
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 9:34pm, forgetfulnot wrote:| Because they don't have any oil? |
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 9:58pm » |
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 9:35pm, brain_cramps wrote:
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For the record, I was posing a question, not making a statement. As I recall the Afgan....... effort was backed by the U.N., Iraq was only backed by the U.S., England and a handfull of insignifigant others. The U.N. backing is most likely the reason, however there is talk they will pull out of Afgan...... just as they have pulled out of Iraq. Who knows! Got to wonder about the oil factor
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #14 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 10:30pm » |
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Yes - I realize that it was a question, not a statement.
Its not often that I get into these "political" discussions. Now that this discussion has gone beyond the scope of the original question, I don't have much more to say on the topic. This is not to say that I completely agree or disagree with your point, only that it is not part of the original discussion.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 13th, 2003, 11:24pm » |
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What's the name your former company? Look at my flag I'm Hungarian.
At present one Hungarian company working in Iraq. Its name is ToyFor Inc. and "operated" mobile toilets.
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 9:58pm, forgetfulnot wrote:Iraq was only backed by the U.S., England and a handfull of insignifigant others.
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I know you probably meant no harm with this statement, but any country that backed the fall of Sadam is definately not insignificant.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:41am » |
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 11:53pm, Prense wrote:
I know you probably meant no harm with this statement, but any country that backed the fall of Sadam is definately not insignificant.
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I guess that all depends on what your definition of "backed" is.
All I remember is the only front line troops in the "beginning" were U.S.A. and the Brits, I could be wrong, but any other support we got really had no bearing other than moral support. Maybe irrelevant would be a better word.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:49am » |
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Brain_cramped "we leveled the country". What???? read a paper Saddam and his sons sucked the country dry. he lived great while the country suffered saddam leveled the country( and dont say we did it with santions either, if that was going to be your next argument heard already). we DID NOT level the country. we bombed bagdad and left the lights on for god sake. you are trying to reinvent history or you are unaware of it. selective bombing is what occured we did not carpet bomb cities. and the $87 billion is our money so we should spend it the way we see fit. Give the poles and the brits contracts along with US companies and F the french F the germans and F the russians unless they decide to help us now. they knew and were told that this is the way it was going to be. they are no used to someone like GWB who says what he means and means what he says. our $ and our decision.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:54am » |
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 11:24pm, totka wrote:What's the name your former company? Look at my flag I'm Hungarian.
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Sorry Totka, The fact that i lost my job to Hungarians didnt have anything to do with my statement on the Iraq deal. I cant blame your country, I can only blame my company.
And for the record....WTF does everyone want to mix the Iraq and Afghanistan thing. It aint the same war, it has different reasons!
Iraq was strictly funded by America, England, Australia, Poland, Italy and a few others i cant remember. The money that Bush got for reconstruction is what i am talking about. Why should France or Germany be allowed to grab even 1% of that money? They don't deserve a dime!
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 12:41am, forgetfulnot wrote:I guess that all depends on what your definition of "backed" is.
All I remember is the only front line troops in the "beginning" were U.S.A. and the Brits, I could be wrong, but any other support we got really had no bearing other than moral support. Maybe irrelevant would be a better word.
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There have been 529 confirmed coalition deaths, 455 Americans, 53 Britons, one Dane, 17 Italians, one Pole, one Spaniard and one Ukrainian, in the war as of December 11, 2003.
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IMHO, casualties of any nationality, would definitely constitute more than moral or irrelevant support, regardless of the numbers.
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 12:49am, 12gagueblast wrote:| Brain_cramped "we leveled the country". What???? ... |
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OK --- I admit "leveled" was a bad choice of a word. But that is irrelevant to the topic.
I could have used a number of other words in its place, but it still would not have changed the point that I MADE.
on Dec 14th, 2003, 12:49am, 12gagueblast wrote:| and dont say we did it with santions either, if that was going to be your next argument heard already |
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on Dec 13th, 2003, 8:40pm, brain_cramps wrote:i'm a little unclear on the connection...
because the US went in and leveled Iraq, they should profit by the rebuilding process?
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Grant, You said Profit? Where is there a profit being made? My hard earned Tax dollars went into this money being used to fight this war and also for the reconstruction of Iraq, Did France put any money? No! Did Germany put in any money? No! Etc....... Why should they profit should be the question?
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Grant the key word is "beginning"
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 1:10am, Patrick_A wrote:
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Am I to assume that the company you are working for is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts?
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