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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #50 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 10:15am » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 1:51am, jonny wrote:Oh ok, thats different.
These pricks were against us all through the war and now they want in?...is that the question?
FUCK YOU!!!!!....You are with us or against us, they showed their true colors early on.
GIVE THEM NOTHING!!!!!
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #51 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 10:57am » |
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #52 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 10:58am » |
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I only have one thing to add to this "discussion" before I leave it for good.
The $87 billiion is irrelevant to the discussion since nobody asked the US to go in there. The US went in because they thought there were WMDs.
The rest of the UN decided against joining in for one reason. They were not convinced that there were WMDs.
Why don't you take the $87 billion you mentioned and divide it by the number of WMDs that were found and post that number? 
Its funny how ones memory can get selective so quickly when ones job is at stake. I don't wish unemployment on anyone. If the lowest bidder is not the American company, then that company has a problem with their estimating process, overhead, etc.
Patrick: Note that I didn't stoop to making inane, unrelated insults about your contry. Maybe someday you will be mature enough to discuss something without resorting to such tactics.
I already mentioned that I was in favor of removing Saddam which apparently has happened this morning (haven't turned on the TV yet). That does not mean that I am in favor of American countries getting preferential treatment in the distribbution of contracts in the rebuilding process. They are 2 totally unrelated discussions.
I'm done arguing this with someone that only sees things from his own perspective and is not willing to look at the big picture (ie. an international perspective).
If you are going to conitune to argue, go ahead on your own.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #53 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:05am » |
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Brain I know this is hard to believe but "12gaugeblast" was taken so i am 12 gagueblast. that is a very good liberal argument tho. change the subject with a charater attack. nice try. that is what i meant by your lack of logic. i may spell poorly but my points are valid. nitpicker. the propper quote by the way all is"you are either with us or you are with the terrorists". the french, germans, russians were wrong. time will continue to show that. the whole premise for your argument is false. that was my point and you have failed miserable to prove otherwise. we did not level, destroy, or otherwise flatten Iraq. the lights stayed on in bagdad durring the bombings. unless that was some sort of computer generated fraud, i bet thats what you think. Right?
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #54 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:12am » |
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Brain " the rest of the world wasnt convinced of the WMD". read a paper dude. your history is all wrong. most everyone thought he had WMD they were arguing how to find them. inspectors or militarily. the french ad rest of them are such girl thingys that they wanted to go inspectors. this while they had been shooting at US and brittish plains for years, and barring inspectors from sites. what a fool. let the inspectos do their job was the cry. i need to look in that building, no you cant look there. thats why inspectors were pulled out in the first place years ago. you live in la la land i guess or you memory is completely shot. 
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #55 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:19am » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:12am, 12gagueblast wrote:| Brain " the rest of the world wasnt convinced of the WMD". read a paper dude. your history is all wrong. most everyone thought he had WMD they were arguing how to find them. inspectors or militarily. |
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No --- The rest of the world was in favor of letting UN inspectors do their job. If at some later point there was still no co-operation, then the UN would have agreed.
You read a paper --- if you are able.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #56 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:32am » |
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No Grant, I see it like this dude!
It doesnt matter whose side i am on. I live in the USA. My president saw fit to invade a country for whatever reason he felt was necessary. I will support him. My money supported his cause ( yours didnt ) My money also is being used for the reconstruction of Iraq (yours isnt) You have no right to any of my money.
I didnt make any remarks about your country, Hell, i didnt even imply it, but could have. Canada didnt support the Iraq invasion. They sent no money for it, and they havent sent any money for the reconstruction of it.
Bro, this was just a discussion. I wanted to hear other opinions on it. You didnt even bother to give me a good opinion with any facts at all. You just made statements that you didnt agree. Why dont you agree? What are your reasons for disagreeing?
And the fact remains the same whether you agree with it or not. President Bush says any country that didnt support us, will not get any contracts! I agree wholeheartedly!
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #57 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:36am » |
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the rest of the world was not in favor of letting inspectors do their job. i will admit that most of the world was in favor of that. they were worng. the rest of the world has the luxury of boo hooing and badmouthing us and being girl thingys. they know that the US will do what is right and save their butts. then they can say how terrible we are and still get the benefits of our destroying terrorist networks. most of the world did think he had WMDs and you would have been an idiot to think otherwise. Saddam violated 1441 and nobody wanted to enforce it. this is true. the US enforced it and now the others want $ to help rebuild. F them F them F them. let it help our economy and let the socialists rot in their welfare states. and with that i have spoke to the wall enough. Adue.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #58 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:41am » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:32am, Patrick_A wrote:| I didnt make any remarks about your country, Hell, i didnt even imply it, but could have. |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 1:56am, Patrick_A wrote:
Hey Grant....Go to France! Oh yea, ya are in France, aint ya? bwahahaha! |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:32am, Patrick_A wrote:| You didnt even bother to give me a good opinion with any facts at all. You just made statements that you didnt agree. Why dont you agree? What are your reasons for disagreeing? |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 10:58am, brain_cramps wrote:The $87 billiion is irrelevant to the discussion since nobody asked the US to go in there. The US went in because they thought there were WMDs.
The rest of the UN decided against joining in for one reason. They were not convinced that there were WMDs. |
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and before you start saying that this last point wasn't made until later in the discussion, I suggest you go back and re-read.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #59 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:53am » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:19am, brain_cramps wrote:
No --- The rest of the world was in favor of letting UN inspectors do their job. If at some later point there was still no co-operation, then the UN would have agreed.
You read a paper --- if you are able.
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After 10+ years of the WMD crap, it became quite obvious that the UN was never going to back anything violent in Iraq. Some countries within the UN were preventing the UN from doing what it had said it would already do. At the point the US invaded, it wasn't about whether he had weapons or not...would have been gravy to find some though. It was about not complying with what he said he would comply with...the UN never followed through, and in my opinion probably never would.
The previously mentioned countries have been making money off Iraq for years...which is why they wanted no invasion. Enough is enough! Historically speaking, the US has rebuilt, or aided in doing so, many countries that it has bombed.
Hopefully Iraq gets control over their damn oil back.
The UN failed miserably...definately nothing 'united' about that organization.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #60 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 11:56am » |
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I stand by my statements as i am sure you will as well. I agree to disagree!
The statement about France was a lame attempt at a joke, My apologies!
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #61 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:29pm » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:56am, Patrick_A wrote:I stand by my statements as i am sure you will as well. I agree to disagree!
The statement about France was a lame attempt at a joke, My apologies!
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Agreed, bud! (to both statements  LOL)
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #62 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:30pm » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 11:32am, Patrick_A wrote:
I didnt make any remarks about your country, Hell, i didnt even imply it, but could have. Canada didnt support the Iraq invasion. They sent no money for it, and they havent sent any money for the reconstruction of it.
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Okay I've tried hard to stay out of this. And I am not trying to incite anyone.
But yes, you did make a remark about Canada when you made the french comment. To a great deal of Canadians that is an insult. I know you have no way of knowing that, it's a Canadian thing, but it is generally taken poorly by Canadians. The french Canadian feud has been one that has been going on for a very long time there.
Secondly, you are wrong about the Canadian participation in the war. The Canadians had an elite military group in Kuwait ready to go. Their jobs are to put out oil fires. They were told to go home. The country did not publicly support the action, but they DID support it. Much like other countries couldn't publicly support what happened they privately did in whatever way they could.
Thirdly, after all the wrangling was over, and the war was on, the Canadian troops stood behind their US allies, the only way they could. The increased their troops in Afghanistan to allow for the US forces to move to Iraq. The Canadian military is a very very small force, and does not have the financial ability, the technical equipment or the man power to be in any more places than they already are.
Ok, resume the discussion in progress, just wanted to point out some very little known facts about the Canadian contingent.
Cat
p.s. I know this info because a) it was published in the news, and b) I've talked to several soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines who have actually worked with the Canadian soldiers....IN iraq.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #63 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 12:41pm » |
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Again, I aint takin sides but I could swear that I heard on the radio more than twice that Canada has already kicked in something like 190 million bucks to this shit storm of a war.....I may be wrong on the amount but I aint off by much.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #64 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 1:42pm » |
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on Dec 14th, 2003, 12:41pm, jonny wrote:Again, I aint takin sides but I could swear that I heard on the radio more than twice that Canada has already kicked in something like 190 million bucks to this shit storm of a war.....I may be wrong on the amount but I aint off by much.
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I heard that as well jonny, I also heard that GWB gave their new PM a wink and a nod about participating in the rebuilding effort.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #65 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 3:08pm » |
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Coming out on top in a war of hopeful liberation isn't supposed to be about who gets hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place.
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Gotta love ya Jonny. Nobody can improve on this.
How about them 4th Division kids? 
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #66 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 5:00pm » |
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Grant,
I think this is the first time I've been in disagreement with you, but I won't start insulting you (yet  )
I think it was a difficult decision for our President to announce that the rebuilding contracts would go to those who supported the war. This is basically a lose-lose kind of situation, because the demnocraps would have hammered him for allowing the foes of the war to reap any reward. I can already hear the rhetoric... "Look what our President allowed to happen... we spend God-only-knows how much money going to war, and all the contracts went to the countries that opposed the war. Our tax dollars going to France and Germany, who vehemently opposed the war..."
I believe he chose the right path, but I accept the fact that people will always find a way to criticize America, no matter what, Republican or Democratic. All things considered, I'm happy as hell that the contracts are going to go (for the most part) to the countries that supported the war. And I think it's reasonable to assume that a lot of that money will trickle down to subcontractors from the other countries anyway. In the end, the distribution of jobs and money will be as fair as possible.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #67 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 6:10pm » |
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I'm sure there's nothing new about the idea of this stuff. Going on TV and acting like a spoiled child and making things worse is new.
Play ball with your buddies if you must but shut up about it. It looks dumb.
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Re: If you don't like political discussions, Dont
« Reply #68 on: Dec 14th, 2003, 7:18pm » |
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Sorry, I stand corrected about Canada's involvement, and of course my statements still stand. If any country didnt support the war or put forth any money for the rebuilding of Iraq. Then they shouldn't be allowed to bid on the contracts!
Catlind, I lived in Canada for 3 years, so of course i knew it was a sore point. The apology was offered and accepted!
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