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Neck pain with knots before and during CH.
Nov 20th, 2010 at 12:26am
 
Has anyone else had this? Sometimes right before I get a bad hit my neck will tighten up and I get terrible knot feeling in the neck muscles. The pain from neck feels like it is going up into my head. My wife puts ice on my neck during an attack and it feels good. After my CH has passed my neck is very sore and feels bruised. I can understand that my muscles in my neck are getting tight during a bad CH but I start having this feeling before the headache hits sometimes. I don't if this is related to the tingling and numbness I get on the side of my face.
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Re: Neck pain with knots before and during CH.
Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 12:55am
 
A lot of peeople get the "CH lump' on the back of their neck and in the shoulder area. for me, it feels good to knead it, I never liked the ice on it! Another personal prefernce thing!

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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 1:14am
 
Yep, the "cluster lump".  Very common.  Not all of us get it, but quite a few do.

I've seen it explained as inflamed nerve ganglia, and surrounding tissue.  It seems to be most prominent during a hit.  Some get one at the base of the skull.  Others get one at around C-5 on the CH side of the spine.  A few get one on the cheek, or on the roof of the mouth.  Mine tends to show up near C-7/T-1 on the left side, where the shoulder meets the neck.

Wherever it occurs, although it doesn't compare to the focal point behind the eye, it's damned uncomfortable.  Tongue

Putting ice (or better yet, ice wrapped in a sopping wet cloth) seems to help to some extent.  I've found it's best (at least for me) to remove the ice gradually, finishing with a wet cloth.  Withdrawing the ice all at once can result in a nasty rebound.

It's probably natural to think about getting a deep-tissue massage to "loosen it up".  Only thing I can say is....don't.   Smiley Smiley  It doesn't work, and it hurts like all get out.

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 11:22am
 
For me, tilting my head back as far as I can relieves some stress on the back of the neck, and helps ease some of the pain.
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 1:08pm
 
Good point about neck pain leading up to an attack.  I pulled my shoulder muscle very badly on Monday - had a stiff neck and back all week, along with shadow headaches.  It all lead to a CH yesterday and needless to say, neck, shoulders and back were all tight before and definitely during attack.  Plus, for the first time last night, during a hit, my jaw locked on the right side and I couldn't open my mouth all the way.

As soon as its over, the muscles release and tingle.  My jaw unlocked, too.
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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
Knots and neck pain that goes down into my shoulders are one of my worst side effects before, during and after a cluster series.  Keeping the knots worked out as much as possible really helps, but yes it is painful as well, but a different kind of pain...likes it is needing to be kneaded.  Massage is wonderful for this.  Heat is good prior to the massage.  I also stretch my neck in all four directions and hold for 30 seconds several times a day during this time.  Drink lots of water.  I take Flexeril at night.  I go to a wonderful Chiropractor for this as well.  It really helps, but Chiropractors vary so much in their techniques that I cannot recommend this treatment in general.  I am lucky that mine is wonderful.  Good luck to you!
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm
 
I put a menthol patch on the area or rub on some bengay for the neck pain.  And I use a temperpedic pillow for neck support at night when I am in my cycle.  I notice that it will help to provide relief to my neck and ward off shadow headaches.  But obviously does not do much for the "big ones".
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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 2:34pm
 
sometimes but not always    i get a predominately hot or cold spot around C2-3   

but then again im weird  ; )
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Re: Neck pain with knots before and during CH.
Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 3:20pm
 
I get the stiff lumpy painful neck as well.  My son was the 1st to note that sometimes just before I get a hit I start rubbing my neck on the same side as the CH hits.  I must have been doing it unconsciously since I didn't correlate it until he pointed it out.  Gotta Love our Supporters!!
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Reply #9 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 12:31am
 
Jamiekins82 wrote on Nov 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
I put a menthol patch on the area or rub on some bengay for the neck pain. 


Oh, yea...I do that, too.  I forgot.  BTW...isn't it nice to forget?!
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Reply #10 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 2:35am
 
Joni wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 12:31am:
Jamiekins82 wrote on Nov 21st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
I put a menthol patch on the area or rub on some bengay for the neck pain. 


Oh, yea...I do that, too.  I forgot.  BTW...isn't it nice to forget?!


Yes, thank the lord I go into remission with these headaches.  My heart goes out to those that are chronic.  When I am in remission I forget how bad the pain is until I am back in the peak of the cycle again.  I guess that is a good thing.
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Reply #11 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 7:12am
 
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Reply #12 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 1:11pm
 
I always get the neck pain before a hard hit,so when I get the neck pain I reach for my abortives. But during an attack it's just a pain in the ass. Smiley  NO SMART REMARKS PLEASE!!!
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Reply #13 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 1:38pm
 
mikstudie wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 1:11pm:
I always get the neck pain before a hard hit,so when I get the neck pain I reach for my abortives. But during an attack it's just a pain in the ass. Smiley  NO SMART REMARKS PLEASE!!!


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Re: Neck pain with knots before and during CH.
Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:23am
 
Yeah, me too. I feel my clusters primarily in the occiputal region. I've had them reach right down to the middle of my back. The trapezius muscle goes wild. Cold application helps. Neuro once told me it was "referred pain." Whatever.
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Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2010 at 12:56pm
 
maryo wrote on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:23am:
Neuro once told me it was "referred pain." Whatever.



I have pain in the bones in my face.  My cheek bone especially.  It feels like they have been injected with napalm and are about to explode.  The neuro also told me it was "referred pain."...whatever!


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Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 9:14am
 
I had a nerve block last Monday and for 3 days I was pain free.  Friday I started having headaches. As the weekend went on the headaches increased in the afternoons. These headaches don't feel like clusters but just bad headaches on the back and side of my head and runs down into my neck and traps.  What is this?
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It is best to do these exercises under the supervision of a certified yoga instructor,However, not all yoga poses relieve back pain, and some can in fact aggravate existing pain, so it is important to know which poses will be most helpful in relieving back pain.

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JustNotRight wrote on Dec 27th, 2010 at 6:40am:
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Regular exercise relieves back pain by strengthening and stretching the muscles that support the spine and helps to prevent future injury Studies have shown that yoga is the number one most effective exercise for relieving back pain.
It is best to do these exercises under the supervision of a certified yoga instructor,However, not all yoga poses relieve back pain, and some can in fact aggravate existing pain, so it is important to know which poses will be most helpful in relieving back pain.

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I ALWAYS get told to go to a Chiropractor...despite the fact I say Clusters are thought to be caused by the Hypothalamus and I also possibly have problems with other nerves (possibly the trigeminal nerve) because I have facial pain. But, it doesn't matter what I say, Chiropractics can cure everything right? Ahh sorry, a huge problem I have to deal with and I dislike that people think I am negative when I don't go for their advice. 

I often get a sore neck and shoulders too and I either put something warm or cold on to help soothe the area!

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Reply #20 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 11:33am
 
i get the knot too - base of the skull - feels like a golf ball.   I found out if i fatigue the muscle during an attack it helps the neck pain and it takes the edge off the CH (barely - but every little bit helps, yeah?)  I do this with a little 5 lb weight that i hold out straight away from my body (either forward or to the side) til i can't hold it anymore.

Bad thing is that once the attack is over you are pretty sore....it does help the post attack nap, though Wink
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Reply #21 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 3:30pm
 
Hi Shuli,

You're the 1st person I've come across besides my son who's had their jaw lock up when the pain was peaking. It's been a long time since his CH has been that bad and for him, the jaw locking up was an indication that he was going to black out.

I've had 5 vertebrae in my neck fused into a block and have found the most relief from light-medium traction using a cervical harness. Anyone considering that approach please PM me - I've been doing it for 40 years.

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Reply #22 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 3:13am
 
Two indents at right and left base of skull, press and knead gently,these are pressure points for headaches.
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Reply #23 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 7:32am
 
TheVerbalArchitect wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 3:13am:
Two indents at right and left base of skull, press and knead gently,these are pressure points for headaches.

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Re: Neck pain with knots before and during CH.
Reply #24 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 9:11am
 
If you look at the path of the trigeminal nerve, that's 2 spots where it comes to the surface, Makes sense you could get a small amount of relief rubbing there.

Since discovering oxygen, I don't need the massage anymore.  Smiley If you haven't used 02 yet, do check it out, it's good stuff for CH'ers!

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