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Re: 123 Days PF And I Think I know Why
Reply #1925 - Jul 18th, 2014 at 10:49am
 
Hey TG,

Thanks for the feedback.  It's always good to hear the CH are gone no matter why.  Determining the efficacy of the anti-inflammatory regimen is a little more difficult for episodic CH'ers as it's easy to confuse a response to this regimen with end of cycle.

That said, the best indication of efficacy of this regimen will come when your usual episodic cycle time comes and goes without any CH.

Regarding magnesium supplements...  An RDA of 400 mg/day for men and 320 mg/day for women is a very safe bet for many reasons...

I've found the 400 mg/day magnesium essential for an effective 25(OH)D response to vitamin D3.  In addition, I've found hand and leg cramps another indication of insufficient magnesium while taking vitamin D3 at the doses we take to prevent CH. 

Calcium plays a role in muscle contraction and magnesium in muscle relaxation.  As vitamin D3 increases calcium kinetics, it's easy to get the serum calcium-magnesium ratio out of balance if you're not taking sufficient magnesium supplements.

There are also several studies indicating magnesium is essential for good heart health. 

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Reply #1926 - Jul 18th, 2014 at 1:30pm
 
Maybe this is a stupid question, but is lying out in direct sunlight for an hour with no sunscreen on a good idea? Natural absorption of the Vitamin D to bump up levels, or is it just a drop in the bucket and more of a skin cancer risk than anything.
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Reply #1927 - Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
Batch thanks and say mo more I will keep the magnisium too.

Time to dial back d3
itamin D, 25-OH, D3 203
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Reply #1928 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
Miguel Amaral wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Thanks Thierry ,
just finished placing my order ....

have the blood test scheduled for next Friday and all should be ready to start the regimen on the 2nd week July as soon as the package from Iherb arrives ....
Will share my ongoing experience here later on .....
meanwhile I'm continuing my acupuncture, that in my case has helped me going throw my cycles .....

Thanks for all the help !!!


Hi all , 

sorry to jump in but just wanted to update my story .

So nearly one month later I'm still waiting for my Vits order ..
Pretty sure it was stopped at customs ....   Sad
I'm delaying my lab test as I would like to start the regimen imediately after the test .....
This wait is terrible as I'm feeling the shadows getting more and more persistent ...... Cry
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Reply #1929 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 5:46pm
 
Hi Miguel, so sorry to hear about your order. Even if customs have intercepted your order, there is nothing illegal in the box so they should let it go to its final destination. I understand your frustration though as I am sure your head is crying out for the D3 regimen. I hope you'll soon be in a position to start it. I put in an order with iherb and received it in 10 days so yours shouldn't be too long now -fingers crossed-.
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Reply #1930 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:42am
 
hi miquil,
                hope your vitamins come soon.
listen, don't delay your test ! no need, get it done so as the day your vitamins arrive you can start chucking them down,
  I wouldn't delay !!!!

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Reply #1931 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 12:10pm
 
Koctail,

Good question.  Some CH'ers who live in sunny climates think they develop sufficient cutainious vitamin D3 with resulting higher serum concentrations of 25(OH)D so wouldn't need to take supplemental vitamin D3. 

They're correct...  if they spend several hours a week out in the sun clad in a bathing suit without sun block. 

There are several studies of lifeguards at various sunny locations around the world and these studies found these lifeguards had an average 25(OH)D serum concentration around 60 ng/mL. At the same time, office workers at these locations averaged a 25(OH)D serum concentration around 45 ng/mL.

While 25(OH)D serum concentration in this range clearly meet the vitamin D3 endocrine requirements for healthy calcium homeostasis and bone health, as CH'ers, we need to maintain a therapeutic 25(OH)D serum concentration around 80 ng/mL or higher in order to support the autocrine (genetic expression) mode of vitamin D3 metabolism that prevents CH.

Bottom line...  It's much safer, a lot easier and far more effective to supplement with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 or more along with the vitamin D3 cofactors.

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Reply #1932 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:35pm
 
Hi. These are my vitamins for the anti-inflammatory regimen. I've noticed that over the last two days I have pretty bad diarrhea could it be because of any of these vitamins?

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I'm also taking x1 capsule of Kirkland brand vitamin b50 complex but couldn't find a link.

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Reply #1933 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:06pm
 
hey CC,
               yep, the magnesium effects me in that way as well !!!!!
magnesium citrate is one of the preferred types, cant remember what the other ones were. Im currently changing up my magnesium for the same reason. Its a very important co-factor, see how you go over the next few days with it. I cut mine in half and went with 200mg for a while to see how that went.
   how are you going with the headaches ?????
if your noticing a difference, perhaps put up with the discomfort of a bit of looseness to build up your d3 levels, certainly better than a kip 8 attack,  and your body might adjust to the levels.  its been suggested to me by batch to try another brand of magnesium mix which is less absorbing, which im about to try.
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Reply #1934 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 6:40am
 
Hey blacklab.

Since my last post I've been 90% pain free. Until last night anyways. I got nailed every hour, all night. Sucks,  thought I was moving into the clear.

I did do quite a bit of heavy lifting during the day and didnt drink much water which I'm hoping is the reason why. Another thought I had was maybe I am flushing out too many of the vitamins with my bowel Issues.   Maybe I'll pick up the magnesium citrate and alternate the two to see how my body reacts.

We seem to be in a similar position with similar issues. What's funny is that my name is also Colin.  lol.
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Reply #1935 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 4:10pm
 
Batch

Quick, hopefully easy question: My D3 came back at 203. Should I stop taking D3 for 2 weeks (half life) to get it down to 100? Then start back up at my usual 15,000 IU a day? Maybe cut that back to 10,000IU?

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Reply #1936 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
hey CC  ( colin ) LOL
    yep, its a balancing act !
I found for me, that the regime didn't so much "bust" my ch cycle that was in progress when I started taking it, but it has acted as a preventative !!
I remember getting frustrated hearing about an instant reaction from those that said there cycle stopped almost immediately and have been pain free ever since.
( but im so happy for them )
ive started taking a magnesium that's called triple magnesium complex. which is magnesium oxide, citrate & aspartate. apparently mag. citrate is easily absorbed, so the others not so much, so probably is slower releasing.
Ive actually had this bottle since I started but saw that citrate was the one of choice so bought that.
batch has told me that mag. oritate or aspartate have a lower effect on the looseness.
or alternatively col, he told me to drop the magnesium altogether for a while and try taking a handful of almonds with the regime as they help with the absorption of the d3.
  its quite amazing too, obviously magnesium has this effect, but how much magnesium is in other foods we eat. for instance, I love my bananas, and would have 2-3 per day,plus mixed nuts with almonds in there, but from what im reading, that could have added another 100-130 mg a day !. so with my 400mg tablet, my bananas and 50 mg in the multi vitamin,plus almonds, I was probably consuming 6-700mg,  looooose as a goose   lol
If you just google up magnesium level in bananas, it will show also different other foods magnesium levels.
So, maybe, magnesium could be one part of the regime, if your count is up there in diet, that you could cross off the swallow list !  I guess its a good thing if we are positive its being consumed at the required level in our daily diet.
anyhow, hope you continue to improve, and maybe try the almonds or natural magnesium foods instead of the vit tablet !!!!
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Reply #1937 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 4:28pm
 
TG,

If your lab test results for 25(OH)D were measured in ng/mL like your previous tests, all you need to do is drop to a maintenance dose of 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3.  What was your average daily intake of vitamin D3?  Howz the head?

A 25(OH)D serum concentration of 200 ng/mL is higher than needed to prevent CH.  I've been in contact with a handful of chronic CH'ers, refractory to other CH preventatives, who have been keeping their CH under control by maintaining their 25(OH)D in a range between 150 and 190 ng/mL under a physicians supervision with frequent lab tests for 25(OH)D, calcium and PTH (parathyroid hormone).

As the half-life of 25(OH)D is roughly two weeks, dropping your vitamin D3 intake to 10,000 IU/day should bring your 25(OH)D serum concentration down nicely over the next 30 days.  Try to get another lab test for 25(OH)D at that point.  Also ask for lab tests of your total serum calcium and PTH at that time.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #1938 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 7:32am
 
Hi all,

This is my first thread outside the "Getting to Know Ya" section.  I'm posting on behalf of my wife who is apparently going through her first cycle at 24 years old.  You can get the back story here:

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- Headaches started July 4th after 5K and 1 alcoholic drink
- HA have been primarly at night around 1:30AM.  (Although she has had 2 during the day.)
- Visited HA Specialist on July 17th, who prescribed 1 week cycle of prednisone with taper.  Doc said CH not a possibility because she is a woman.
- Prednisone cycle stopped all headaches.  Headaches returned the night of July 26th and again at about 4:00AM this morning.  No long term preventative was combined with Pred. (Again because Doc did not diagnose as CH)

So that's the backstory.  I have some questions and I would be greatly appreciative of any help here:

I went and bought her all of the regimen yesterday.  Went with the Magnesium Citrate over the Magnesium Oxide due to some of the things I read.  Got the exact same brands of everything and threw in the B50 complex.  She took the standard 10,000iu dose to start off.  (Per Batch's recommendation to make sure there were no ill effects, which there were not)  She will take 70,000iu this evening with dinner along with everything else.

I have a few questions that I hope you guys and gals can help me with:

1) She starts a new job this week as a teacher so she absolutely cannot afford a hit at work that fails to be aborted.  Do you think it's wise to get a refill of the pred taper while she gets the D3 and all into her system?  Obviously this is not a long term solution, but her first taper was only 7 days which is fairly short, so maybe a second short cycle would give her some temp relief while she D3 loaded?

2) Batch's original D3 regimen called for 400mg Magnesium.  However, since we bought the Magnesium Citrate it comes in 250mg tablets.  Would the single 250mg Magnesium Cit. be enough considering it absorbs much better than Oxide?  She already eats a lot of fruits, leafy greans, and mixed nuts.

3) Since it looks like these neuros may stick to their guns on the "women can't get CH" thing, is it worth just getting an O2 tank through other means than medical?  If so, can I just get the tank and then by the non-rebreather mask from the site. Are there any other "parts" we'd need? (I know this is non D3 related, but any feedback here would be great)

Thanks very much again for the support. 

EDIT:  Just as a follow up, she has not had the D3 lab test yet.  I highly doubt her neuros are going to be willing to do it on her follow up appt.  She is going to try and get in for a physical from our PCP in the next few weeks.  She will have already started the regimen but at least that may give us some guidance over where she is.
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Reply #1939 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 10:36am
 
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Reply #1940 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
Batch

Thanks for the reply. First I have been pain free for over a month and a half now Aug 13th will be two months.  My dose was anywhere between 15,000 iu to 20,000 IU a day. Mostly on the 20,000IU a day due to my running and physical activity which I was not sure if it was using the D3 or not (I am guessing not at this time)

I took a week off of D3 with no ill effects. I took 10,000IU today and will continue to do so. I just did not want to remain "toxic" for too long. I do the at home D3 test but maybe I can swing my new Dr to do the others as well.

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Reply #1941 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 4:39pm
 
Mjedwards - I replied in your other thread.
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Reply #1942 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 8:59pm
 
Thanks Feisty.  Will respond over there. 

Any more comments on the Magnesium would be appreciated!  Wondering if missing high on the Magnesium is better than missing low.
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Reply #1943 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 12:55am
 
Hey MJ,

Thanks for the feedback.  You and your wife made a wise decision getting her started on the anti-inflammatory regimen.  It appears you're wife is off to a good start and I wouldn't be surprised if she hasn't already started responding by now.

Regarding your questions:

1.  You wife can try to pick up another pred taper as an insurance policy, but I doubt her neurologist will prescribe a second taper so soon after the first pred taper.  If she's successful in obtaining another pred taper, have her hold off on starting it until she's given the anti-inflammatory regimen and vitamin D3 loading schedule at least 5 to 6 days to start working. 

Prednisone typically starts working as a transition preventative in less than 24 hours. 

If your wife hasn't experienced a significant reduction, (~70%), in the frequency, severity and duration of her CH or gone pain free after 5 to 6 days, she can start the pred taper if she was able to get it.

Prednisone is also an anti-inflammatory although it carries some onerous side effects if taken for too long.  We've had several CH'ers start the anti-inflammatory regimen while taking prednisone...  no problems noted...  That said, studies have shown prednisone can slow vitamin D3 metabolism...

2.  Regarding the 250 mg magnesium citrate tablets...  Get a pill splitter...  Most pharmacies carry them.  Magnesium is the most important vitamin D3 cofactor...  As such, 375 mg magnesium citrate is better than 250 mg...  unless the larger dose results in osmotic diarrhea.

3.  Oxygen Therapy.   If I was a licensed and practicing neurologist or headache specialist...  oxygen therapy would be my first abortive of choice while starting the anti-inflammatory regimen.  If used properly and soon enough... oxygen therapy with hyperventilation is nearly 100% effective in aborting CH. 

Given the neurologists your wife is seeing are obviously suffering from a loss of vision or haven't read any of the recent (2009 - 2011) survey data published by Dr. Todd Rozen, MD, FAAN, Director, Geisinger Neurosciences Institute Headache Center, Wilkes-Barre, PA, starting a new hobby using an oxy-acetylene welding system to do metal sculpting may be in order.

Dr. Rozen's survey data clearly indicates women suffer from CH...  "1134 individuals completed the survey (816 male, 318 female), 28% of CH sufferers are women... 868 patients had episodic CH (male:female ratio 2.9:1) while 266 had chronic CH (male:female ratio 1.8:1)..." 

An added suggestion...  You need to start this regimen as well...  The health benefits are hard to dismiss at 30 cents a day...  your brain, prostate, heart and basically your entire body will thank you for starting this regimen...

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #1944 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
Ok so I took my family up to the cottage for a week beginning the Saturday that just past. I brought my anti-inflammatory regimen with me, along with 3 portable "E" tanks. (Skip the next paragraph if you don't care about the poor me stuff)

Within two days I've killed all tanks and had the worst nights of my cycle. I can't even put my head on a pillow for more than an hour without hitting the oxygen for 20 minutes afterwards. I received an "M" tank to the cottage yesterday afternoon and killed half of it last night alone.

Batch. I'm 13 days into the regimen.  I've upped my vitamin D by 10,000 IU a day to 30,000 over the last 4 days. plus today is my second loading dose of 50,000 iu.  I was hoping I would be getting into a better place by now. Instead I feel like I'm getting worse. It could be a high point in my cycle causing this. It's usually what happens when I peak.

My question is, does it sound to you like the regimen may not work for me? Or possibly only work as a preventative as blacklab suggested?
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Reply #1945 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 12:56pm
 
Cc45713, sorry to hear what you're going through Sad .

I know it doesn't help, but it feels like dh's CH is getting worse (?) too. The cycle started 35 days ago, started O2 28 days ago, started the full D3 loading schedule 8 days ago (started D3 at lower doses before that though).

I'm wondering if dh's allergies are interfering with building up his levels of the blood form of D3? I read from Batch that allergic reactions "use up" D3 metabolites.

Are you suffering from allergies? If so, any chance it was worse at the cottage? Just some ideas for you...
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Reply #1946 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 1:06pm
 
Hey first.

That thought occurred to me but I don't have any allergies that I know of.
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Reply #1947 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
Hey CC,

Sorry you're still having a rough time.  Increasing the vitamin D3 loading dose for a few days should help cut the increase in the frequency of your CH and speed up the pain free response.

You may have a low arterial pH (too much acid) so starting the GOMBS diet is a good idea. A low arterial pH triggers vasodilation and that makes just about all CH medications less effective.  A GOMBS diet will help elevate a low arterial pH, increase serum alkalinity and this should make both oxygen therapy and the anti-inflammatory regimen more effective.

GOMBS stand for Greens, Onions, Mushrooms, Beans-Berries and Seeds & Nuts.  You can find some great GOMBS meals at the following links:

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Regarding your oxygen therapy...  I see why you're having trouble obtaining a fast abort of your CH and using so much oxygen...  Sucking on the oxygen tubing is part of the problem.  Your breathing technique is the other part.  You need to hyperventilate to make oxygen therapy more effective.

If you've had a home oxygen cylinder refill, here's the latest procedure and breathing technique you should try to abort your CH.  You'll need one of DJ's ClusterO2 kits from the CH.com store tab at the left of this screen.

I call this method Oxygen Therapy with Hyperventilation.   It essentially involves hyperventilating on room air at forced vital capacity tidal volumes for 30 seconds followed by a lung full of 100% oxygen that's held for another 30 seconds.

Remove the face mask from the ClusterO2 kit when you receive it as you'll be breathing directly from the 22 mm nipple on the green "T" manifold or mouthpiece as shown below.  You'll also need to adjust the oxygen regulator so it fills the 3 liter reservoir bag completely in one minute...

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You'll also need to cup the T-manifold exhaust port in the palm of your hand and press the open breathing port to your cheek or chin when not inhaling from it to keep oxygen from escaping and let the reservoir bag fill while you're hyperventilating with room air.

Start by standing to give your diaphragm full range of movement... This is important as standing during this procedure helps ventilate the lungs more completely.  Lean against a wall if you get dizzy while using this method of oxygen therapy.  If you get too dizzy, sit erect in a chair.

The next step is exhale forcibly through your mouth until if feels like your lungs are empty...  they're not!  Do an abdominal crunch like doing sit-ups and hold the squeeze until your exhaled breath makes a wheezing sound for a couple seconds.

It sounds terrible but it's a very important part of this method of aborting a CH with oxygen...  This forced exhalation breathing technique will squeeze out another half to a full liter of exhaled breath.  This last volume or end tidal flow of exhaled breath has the highest CO2 concentration and blowing off CO2 is the key to the effectiveness of this procedure.

Then without delay, throw your head and shoulders back and inhale room air as rapidly and deeply as possible until you can't inhale any more.

Again without any delay, use the forced exhalation technique.  Keep repeating this sequence as fast as possible with room air for 30 seconds.  You should be able to complete 10 of these complete cycles in 30 seconds.

At the end of the 30 seconds breathing with this technique, exhale forcibly one more time and hold the squeeze for a good 5 seconds...  Then place the ClusterO2 kit "T" manifold breathing port to your lips and inhale a lung full of 100% oxygen as rapidly as possible and hold it for 30 seconds. 

I know it's difficult, but try to relax at this point.  While you're waiting, place the breathing port on the ClusterO2 kit to your cheek or chin with the palm of your hand over the exhalation port to form a gas tight seal in order to inflate the reservoir bag for the next breath of oxygen.

If you're doing this breathing technique properly, you'll start feeling the symptoms of transient paresthesia and a slight dizziness...  These temporary symptoms of paresthesia include a very slight tingling/prickling of the face, lips, and fingertips.  You'll also experience a slight rush when you start holding the lungful of oxygen...  Paresthesia is the best indication you've pushed your body into respiratory alkalosis.

At the end of the 30 seconds holding the lungful of oxygen, exhale into the room with a good chest squeeze... then repeat the above sequence until the pain is completely gone... 

Be sure to practice this procedure for a few cycles before the cluster beast attacks...

If your start this procedure at the first sign of an approaching CH attack, you should be able to abort the attack in four minutes or less...  and with as little as 16 to 20 liters of oxygen...

If the CH hits while sleeping and is well established or rising, start this procedure as fast as possible.  It will work effectively through pain level 9, (Kip 9), it will just take longer.

The following chart from the pilot study of the demand valve method of oxygen therapy for rapid CH aborts illustrates the increase in abort times as the pain level increases.

Oxygen therapy combined with hyperventilating on room air is just as fast at aborting a CH and as effective as the demand valve method.  I'm a patent holder of the demand valve method of oxygen therapy so I've studied and used it extensively since 2007.  It also uses a lot less oxygen so it works very well with low flow rate oxygen regulators.

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While you're waiting for the ClusterO2 kit to arrive and if you're handy with DIY projects, you can build a Redneck Oxygen Reservoir Bag Breathing System.  They work great...

All you need is a clean 40 gal trash bag, the oxygen tubing from your old disposable oxygen mask, an empty plastic Coke or Juice bottle (with cap), some Duck tape and some electricians tape.  The following graphics should help in this DIY effort.

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Fill the Redneck Reservoir Bag ahead of time.  If you've constructed it properly, it should hold oxygen for a few days.

When the next CH hits, head for your redneck reservoir bag system and start hyperventilating at forced vital capacity tidal volumes for 30 seconds with room air.  As you approach 30 seconds make one more forced exhalation only hold the crunch/squeeze for a good 5 seconds.  While you doing this squeeze, unscrew the cap from the plastic bottle, inhale a lungful of 100% oxygen then replace the cap while you're holding the lungful of oxygen for 30 seconds.  Keep repeating this sequence until the CH pain is completely gone.  You'll be surprised at the lack of inhalation resistance sucking oxygen from the Redneck reservoir bag.

Take care and please keep me posted...

V/R, Batch
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Re: 123 Days PF And I Think I know Why
Reply #1948 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
Hey CC, bummer to be having that many hits.

Is your cabin in the mountains...I know altitude can affect CH in some. Are you on any preventatives? You could talk to your neuro about Verapamil as first line preventative. Other options are Lithium and there is always Prednisone.
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Reply #1949 - Jul 30th, 2014 at 6:06am
 
Thanks Batch for the feedback on my post.

I'll go point by point...

Prednisone - You were right that the doc did not want to prescribe another taper so close to the first.  He actually prescribed Tompamax over the phone. (Which we are still researching and leaning towards not going that direction due to the side effects.  She mentioned she rather try the shrooms if it came down to it)

Magnesium - Thanks for the tip on the pill splitter.  However, these are large liquid filled soft gels.  I know she wants more than 250mg so right now she is just taking (2) for a total of 500mg.  Is there potential harm in taking the 500mg of Mag Citrate or is this okay?

Oxygen - Thanks very much for the tip.  O2 is at the top of our list if these things continue.  She has another appt with the doc in 7 days.  If the HA's are still going on, we will demand it then.  If he still refuses, we will get it through other means.

Neuros - If these symptoms persist, and the doctor is still unwilling to consider CH because she is a woman, we will print them off some literature and most likely find another neuro. 

D3 Results - Now for the good news...(knock on wood)  Yesterday was day 3 of the regimen and last night was her 2nd PF night in a row.  If you take out the days when she was on the Pred taper, this is the first time she has gone two nights without a HA since July 6th and 7th.  She still complains every night about taking so many pills, but I remind her about how much more inconvenient it was to go to the ER at 3AM compared to taking a few vitamins with dinner.   Wink 

We will continue to monitor and try to get her a D3 blood test at the 30 day mark.  (Was almost impossible to get that done before we started)

As far as me taking the D3 regimen...maybe someday.  We spent about $100 just getting all of the vitamins for her.  I already take a Multi, fish oil, zinc, and Saw Palmetto.  Really I'd just be adding the D3.  On that note, if she keeps feeling better then it just might make me a believer after all.

Thanks and will keep everyone updated!
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