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Reply #75 - Apr 20th, 2013 at 8:39pm
 
Hey JoeV,

Thierry is spot on...  If you got any other questions about the anti-inflammatory regimen, please shoot me a PM.

Hoss, you've got a point.  The vitamin D Council is funded by nutraceutical firm donations...  However, it's nothing they try to hide...  Big pharma does a lot worse...

The Vitamin D Council is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization just like CH.com, with a mission to educate the public on vitamin D, sun exposure and health... 

It doesn't do studies per se, but the founder, Dr. Cannell, MD is well published having conducted several RCTs involving vitamin D3 where he's teamed up with some of the brightest minds in vitamin D3 research...

The Vitamin D Council brings a voice from practicing physicians, endocrinologists, Integrative and Homeopathic physicians with years of clinical experience treating patients with vitamin D3 deficiencies and other conditions resulting from vitamin D3 deficiencies...

If we listened to the Food & Nutrition Board at the Institute of Medicine, a quasi big govenment organization staffed with tenured professors of nutrition from academia and big government bureaucrats from DHHS, none of whom have ever had any clinical practice or experience treating patients with a vitamin D3 deficiency, we would all be taking no more than 400 IU/day vitamin D3...  and that wouldn't do squat diddly for our cluster headaches... but the big pharma, who exert special interest influence over DHHS, the FDA and too many elected politicians...  would love it...

If you want to see a treasure trove of good objective info on vitamin D3, go to the Vitamin D Wiki web site at:  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

You'll find more about vitamin D3 than you'll ever hear from me except as it applies to cluster headache as a preventative...  I've lots of help on this topic from the likes of Dr. Robert Hearney, MD...  also well published and a professor of Endocrinology at Creighton University School of Medicine...

Take care,

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Reply #76 - Apr 21st, 2013 at 6:43am
 
Thanks Thierry and Batch that explains the co-factors in the D3 regimen. I hate taking anything I don't need to but when it comes to a CH like the one last night anything goes.
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Reply #77 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
Fascinating!  The sunlight link again -- Vitamin D comes through!  I am headed to my local drug store right now to get these vitamins -- can't hurt!
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Reply #78 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 2:00pm
 
OK, Batch.  Three years ago, when I discovered you guys, you set me straight on the path to recovery with all your fantastic information.  I'm now in the first cluster in those three years (almost to the day -- no surprise), and I've already been through one round of dexadron and have re-started with prednisone 36 hours ago (and of course verapamil).  Did not have one last night, and miraculously, no sensation that one might appear this afternoon.  But I ran out at lunch and bought the D3 and fish oil -- harmless substances, and maybe they'll help.  Here's my question.  I was able to get a liquid form of the D3, 5000 units per dropper, making it incredibly cheap and easy to take the D.  But do you know whether the rapid way it gets into the blood is actually any better, or any worse, than taking it in pill form?  The dropper form is so simple, and I can take it about 8 hours after the morning verapamil -- just curious whether mode of ingestion matters at all.  Thanks.
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Reply #79 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
Hey Cynde,

Good question.  For starters, I'm not aware of any interaction between vitamin D3 and verapamil...  There is an interaction between calcium in the anti-inflammatory regimen and verapamil.  Calcium tends to lower the serum concentration of verapamil making it less effective.

The best advice here is talk with your neurologist about separating the verapamil and calcium dosing times by 12 hours and don't take any more than 250 mg/day calcium until you're tired of verapamil and stop taking it.  Ask your PCP or neurologist for the lab test for 25(OH)D.  Knowing your serum concentration of this vitamin D3 metabolite will give you a good idea how long it can take for a pain free response.

Regarding vitamin D3 drops and liquid soft gel capsules...  Either should be taken along with the Omega 3 Fish oil and the cofactors with the largest meal of the day with the most fats.  This will help improve absorption.

The vitamin D drops carry a slight advantage over the liquid softgel capsules as absorption starts in the mouth.

One more thing...  When you experience a pain free response from the anti-inflammatory regimen...  don't stop taking it...  That way when the next episodic CH cycle rolls into town... it will be a non-event... like no hits...

This is a very healthy regimen people should take even if they didn't have cluster headache...  My wife and I are on it for life...

The best testimony to the beneficial health effects of this regimen came from my wife's PCP following her 2012 annual physical with all the labs... 

A few days following the annual physical, her doctor called to say:  "I don't know what you're doing... but what ever it is... keep doing it.  Your labs, heart and lung functions appear to be from a 25 year old.  On top of that, your total cholesterol and triglycerides are remarkably low..." 

My wife kicked the heck out of 75 last Christmas...  Go figure...

You'll find more info on the health benefits of vitamin D3 and the vitamin D3 cofactors at the following Vitamin D Wiki link:

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Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #80 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 3:55pm
 
Thanks!  I will keep you apprised.  I am one of the luckiest CH sufferers, I think, because I have usually had great success with first-line defenses.  I am so intrigued by your linking the D3 and CH, because I am kinda sure that this sequence came on after three years because (1) I am working in a job in which I almost never go outside during the day any time of year, for the first time in my life, and (2) I did not use my SADD lamp this winter, which I almost always use starting in about February.  I took my first 10,000 IU of D3 and 2,000 mg of Omega-3 at lunch today.  I will let you know what happens as I stay on this combo.  Thanks for all you do for us CH sufferers.  You help keep me sane!
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Reply #81 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 9:43am
 
ive been on the regime for a week and a half now. started off for a few days on 10,000ui of d3 but lifted it to 15,ooo per day with magnesium, calcium citrate, the omega fish oil and a multi vit.  was still getting one or two ch's at about a 6 each day so took the 50,000 loading of vit d3 on the 8th day, tonight, day 10, lifted the vit d3 to 20,00 as I got 2 nasty ch's today. im finding that a quick hit of red bull does knock it on the head quickly, but there still coming.  I know my vit d level before I started was 54 nmol which is on the low side, so I guess I'll keep it at 20,00 ui per day with a 50,000 loading once a week until ive been doing the regime for a month, then get my d level tested again and see what level im on. still taking my 240 verapamil in the mornings, don't want to lift that dosage, as I want to know if and when the regime kicks in.  still very hopefull !!!
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Reply #82 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 1:07am
 
Hey Cynde and Blacklab,

Thanks for the headzup you've started the anti-inflammatory regimen.  The odds are clearly in your favor for a significant reduction in the frequency, severity and duration of your cluster headaches if not a complete cessation for a pain free response.

The only thing I suggest at this point is to ask your PCP for the lab test for 25(OH)D.  Even though you've already started this regimen, we can always work the curve backwards to estimate your starting serum concentration fo 25(OH)D.  Knowing your status at this point will take a lot of the guess work out of how long it can take for a favorable response.

In any event, please keep us posted on your results.  If you're not experiencing any improvement in a week to 10 days shoot me a pm.

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Reply #83 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
How often is it recommended for somebody using this regimen to get their 25-Hydroxyvitamin D, a.k.a. 25(OH)D tested to ensure they are consistently at effective levels?

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Reply #84 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
Gregg,

Good question.  The answer is it varies... 

I'm not a doctor...  However, from the data I've collected here at CH.com, the online survey, and countless studies read over the last two years, I'd say three lab tests for 25(OH)D the first year would be prudent.

If possible have the blood drawn for the 25(OH)D test then start the regimen.  If you can't do that, having this lab test done within the first week to 10 days of starting this regimen will also be helpful. 

A second lab test three months after starting this regimen should confirm the CH'er is in the green zone and a third test at the six month mark after starting this regimen should confirm a stable serum concentration around 85 ng/mL assuming the vitamin D3 intake has been 10,000 IU/day during that three month period. 

As long as the average vitamin D3 intake is 10,000 IU/day, the 25(OH)D lab results should plot out on the upper line in the following chart.

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After that, I'd get tested once a year assuming you stay on this regimen...   I'd also get this lab test any time you fall out of remission with a rash of cluster headaches.

Most of the vitamin D3 Jedi Masters who routinely treat patients with vitamin D3 therapy suggest a 25(OH)D lab test every three to six months and any time the dose of vitamin D3 exceeds 10,000 IU/day for more than two to three weeks.  Lab tests for total serum calcium and PTH (Parathyroid Hormone) would also be prudent if dosing on vitamin D3 over 10,000 IU/day.

Vitamin D3 intoxication is rare and I'm unaware of any reported deaths from it.  That said hyperparathyroidism (too much parathyroid hormone) sends the kidneys into warp drive causing them to metabolize 25(OH)D into 1,25(OH)2D3, the active hormonal form of vitamin D3 at too high a rate. 

When that happens, calcium homeostasis control mechanisms can break down allowing serum calcium levels to rise above the normal reference range.

CH'ers with sarcoidosis (we have one or two here at CH.dom) also need to test for 25(OH)D on a more frequent basis.

Hope this helps.

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Reply #85 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 3:52pm
 
Crystal clear, thanks Batch Wink

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Reply #86 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 3:21am
 
Hi

  Now over 18 months PF (after 10 years chronic).   Will check my past  posts for the D3 serum levels (I sent them to you back when).

  Was in the middle of a much longer post when I lost it somehow on this damn laptop.  My desktop crashed lon ago and I have a very difficult time typing on this thing (errors every other word) . . . .   that's the main reason I havven't been on the board.

  But sitting here (sipping a brandy) I had to make some contact with you and all the crew who helped me from the time I first got here (2/02).

  Did take a picture of my truck loaded with E tanks I took back to the med supply over a year ago (used to keep twenty).   I still keep 3 or 4 . . . just in case I might need them or I run across someone who does.

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Reply #87 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 3:37am
 
I went to the store and bought all the supplements to start,  but when unpacking realised that the d3  is made with a red wine extract. Mega D3  from Schiff, 5000iu.  Will  this potentially make a difference,  due to sensitivity to wine?  or is that more related to the alcohol content?  Any insight would be appreciated.
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Reply #88 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 5:15pm
 
G'day Jes,
This is new to me. Red wine is made from the juice extract of a certain variety of red grapes, unless they are adding
red wine as you do when cooking, then that does'nt sound
right to me. If i were you i would take them back and get
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Reply #89 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 10:36pm
 
That's what I'll do then.  They were kinda pricy anyway.  Best to err on the side of caution I suppose. I  happened to go to the pharmacy today and asked him what he thought, he said the same.
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Reply #90 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 10:41pm
 
Thank you  for responding!
This website and I have been spending a lot of sleepless nights together.
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Reply #91 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 8:05pm
 
danallan wrote on Jul 8th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
First post - long time CH sufferer. CH began was I was 20 after a bout with Viral Meningitis. Stupid headaches morphed from one form to another over the years...I'm 53 now. Now they hang around for 4 to 5 weeks and drive me insane. (One episode was 5 months long) Came across this web site because I was looking to see if using weed would do anything....I don't smoke but I was willing to try anything. (No weed, I know).

Started the Vit D therapy last Wed, so 5 days ago, Had my blood tested on Fri after only two days of therapy. Results are  in, I am at 47 ng/Ml.

Yesterday and today, I am headache free for the first time in almost 4 weeks. Talk about a mood change to boot, my dog even likes me again and I'm hoping my wife comes looking for me soon.......its been a while.

FWIW, I had my blood drawn and tested by Any Lab Test Now. They have about 150 franchises across the country. Cost me $119. No doctor needed. Tests results in 3 days. In case you don't have insurance or a doctor who wants to help.

I will take the survey in a month's time. All I can say is thank God for the internet because I probably would still be in bed holding my head, rocking back and forth wishing my head would explode so the pain would stop. I know you share my pain.

God bless this regimen.

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Reply #92 - Jul 9th, 2013 at 5:47pm
 
Batch wrote - Regarding vitamin D3 drops and liquid soft gel
capsules either should be taken along with the omega 3 fish
oil and the cofactors with the largest meal of the day with
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Reply #93 - Jul 10th, 2013 at 9:13pm
 
Hoppy wrote on Jul 9th, 2013 at 5:47pm:
Batch wrote - Regarding vitamin D3 drops and liquid soft gel
capsules either should be taken along with the omega 3 fish
oil and the cofactors with the largest meal of the day with
most fats.That wiil help improve absorption.

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Reply #94 - Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:41pm
 
Now a new study that shows higher incidence of prostate cancer in men who take in high levels of omega-3 fatty acids (i.e., fish oil supplements):

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Reply #95 - Jul 11th, 2013 at 4:58pm
 
I saw this story too.  I'm waiting for the dust to settle a little.  I want to see all the parameters of the study. The vitamin D dosage we are using may change how the omega 3's affect the cells. I also want to see what other diseases may be affected by this--not just men's issues. Maybe it's time to take a closer look at the regimen's need for so much omega 3 supplementation.
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Reply #96 - Jul 11th, 2013 at 7:55pm
 
All,

I was waiting for posts on the study linking Omega-3 to prostate cancer. 

We need to be critical when reviewing articles on study results like this...  I've yet to see the actual study results so will keep my powder dry as to the validity/applicability of this study.

That said, there are a few things to ponder... 

(1) This was the first and only study to go against the trend of so many other studies that found Omega-3 fatty acids helped prevent or slowed the progress of prostate cancer...

"A NEJM study in May 2013 found that men with a higher level of omega-3 fatty acids in their blood had a higher rate of advanced prostate cancer. This conflicts with results of prior studies. Do not to base your understanding of cause and effect results based only on one study since the results of others could show a different outcome."

(2) There are several fatty acids classified as "Omega-3"

"The fatty acids found in fish may slightly lower a man's risk of prostate cancer, but another type of fatty acid found in a range of foods may raise the risk, a large study suggests. Researchers found that among nearly 48,000 U.S. men followed for 14 years, those with the highest intakes of two fatty acids found in oily fish were 26 percent less likely than men with the lowest intakes to develop advanced prostate cancer. The opposite was true, however, when it came to alpha-linolenic acid, or ALA. Like the two fish-oil fats, ALA is an omega-3 unsaturated fatty acid that is thought to promote heart health; it is found in vegetable sources such as soybeans, canola oil, walnuts and flaxseed, and to a lesser extent in meat and dairy products. In this study, men with the highest intake of ALA were about twice as likely as those with the lowest intakes to develop advanced prostate cancer. And the risk was increased regardless of whether the ALA came from vegetable or animal sources, according to findings published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition."

"Dietary intake of n-3 (fish oils) and n-6 fatty acids and the risk of prostate cancer.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2004.
Laboratory studies have shown that n-3 fatty acids (mostly in fish oils) inhibit and n-6 fatty acids stimulate prostate cancer growth, but whether the dietary intake of these fatty acids affects prostate cancer risk in humans remains unclear. We prospectively evaluated the association between intakes of alpha-linolenic (ALA; 18:3n-3), eicosapentaenoic (EPA; 20:5n-3), docosahexaenoic (DHA; 22:6n-3), linoleic (LA; 18:2n-6), and arachidonic (AA; 20:4n-6) acids and prostate cancer risk. A cohort of 47 866 US men aged 40-75 y with no prostate cancer history in 1986 was followed for 14 y. During follow-up, 2965 new cases of total prostate cancer were ascertained, 448 of which were advanced prostate cancer. ALA intake was unrelated to the risk of total prostate cancer. In contrast, the multivariate relative risks (RRs) of advanced prostate cancer from comparisons of extreme quintiles of ALA from nonanimal sources and ALA from meat and dairy sources were 2.02 and 1.53, respectively. EPA and DHA intakes (fish oils) were related to lower prostate cancer risk.  Increased dietary intakes of ALA may increase the risk of advanced prostate cancer. In contrast, EPA and DHA (fish oils) intakes may reduce the risk of total and advanced prostate cancer."

(3) I have a couple long time friends and former squadron mates who are recovering from prostate cancer.  Both are taking 10,000 to 15,000 IU/day vitamin D3 to keep their 25(OH)D between 80 and 90 ng/mL.  They also take the cofactors, 1000 mg/day Omega-3 Fish Oil, and Curcumin.  They claim a few months after prostate surgery, radiation and chemo, their PSA started climbing again...  The above regimen reversed that trend and both now have normal PSA levels and have maintained them in the normal range for >5 years..

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Take care and hang in there... I suspect there will be other more qualified experts making a reclama to this latest study.

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Reply #97 - Jul 11th, 2013 at 11:06pm
 
   I just looked up at the CDC the odds for getting prostate cancer for us old guys, ranges roughly from 6% to 13% in the next 10 years depending on just how old you are. My grandfather had prostate cancer for years and I recall him saying he was going to die with it, not from it. He passed away at the ripe old age of 99.
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Reply #98 - Jul 11th, 2013 at 11:11pm
 
A concern...

The magnesium is running right through me and I think it's interfering with the absorption of the other supplements. I think I'll take the magnesium later on in the day.

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Reply #99 - Jul 12th, 2013 at 6:42am
 
Hi All - Been on D3 for just over a month - Pre regiment D3 level was 19 ng/ml - just got my results back from last week - 59 ng/ml.

Been feeling better, still get some shadows but nothing too bad and I use energy drinks and naproxen to kill those off cause I usually get them at work.

I've cut down my verapamil (with my GP;s consent) to 160 mg for the next few weeks, then I'll be going down to 80 to see how I feel.

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