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Reply #350 - Apr 26th, 2015 at 2:28pm
 
Kurama,

Another day or two at a loading dose of 50,000 IU vitamin D3 shouldn't cause any problems... 

Just be sure to drop back to a maintenance dose of 10,000 IU/day when you're done loading...  If you experience an up-tic in CH frequency when you drop back to 10,000 IU/day, up the maintenance dose to 15,000 IU/day for a week or two.

My 25D is running between 125 to 145 ng/mL this time of year with all the pollen.

you can also increase the Benadryl intake to one 25 mg tablet in the morning and a second 25 mg tablet 12 hours later...

That should get you through the night and next morning PF.

Take care and please keep us posted if you have a significant decrease in the frequency of your CH.

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Reply #351 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 11:33am
 
The link below is an interesting article by Dr. Whitaker MD titled:

Facts About Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

It's a short read and well worth the time.  It starts with the following...

"I can’t tell you how many patients have told me that when they tried talking to their doctors about using vitamin and mineral supplements, they were met with condescension, laughter or belittlement.

So how do you get your doctor to work with you and help you incorporate vitamin and mineral supplements into your daily health regimen?

Here are some of the most common stumbling blocks patients encounter when discussing supplements with their physicians—and suggestions for countering them."

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Reply #352 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:36pm
 
Hey Batch, Hope you're well.
When i talked to my neuro 2 years ago about the D3 regimen he said "I suppose there's the placebo effect". I told him that there has been an extensive survey done of CH sufferers who have taken/are taking the D3 regimen and that it seems that it is working for 80% of sufferers, his reply was "The power of the mind can be very strong".
I haven't been to see him since. I have a much better doctor for my CH now, his name's Batch.
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Reply #353 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 8:40pm
 
Hey Thierry,

Thanks for the vote of confidence...  I'm still getting calls from neurologists since AAN published the abstract from our online survey of CH'ers taking this regimen and the poster presentation I made at the 2014 AAN Annual Meeting in Philadelphia, PA.

Regarding a possible placebo effect in CH medications...  The raw efficacy of 60% for a sustained pain free end point response to the anti-inflammatory regimen in preventing CH is well beyond the highest possible placebo response in CH of 14 to 43%. 

The lowest value was reported using the strict endpoint; cessation of headache attacks.  Nilsson Remahl AI, Laudon Meyer E, Cordonnier C, Goadsby PJ. Placebo response in cluster headache trials: a review. Cephalalgia. 2003 Sep;23(7):504-10.

and we all know the good Dr. Goadsby is a straight shooter when it comes to CH...

I also did a little research into the above article and it appears 75% of the CH'ers surveyed in this study were episodic... 

As it is very easy for episodic CH'ers to confuse a pain free response to any CH preventative medication with end of cycle...  and given the fact that it's downright next to impossible to wish or will away CH pain... I suspect the actual placebo effect is somewhere South of the 14% listed in the study above and likely closer to 7%.

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Reply #354 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 11:36pm
 
Batch wrote on Jun 3rd, 2015 at 11:33am:
"I can’t tell you how many patients have told me that when they tried talking to their doctors about using vitamin and mineral supplements, they were met with condescension, laughter or belittlement.


Not all doctors are the same. The last time I saw my headache specialist one of the first things she asked me about when discussing medications was if I was taking vitamin D3 as she had found that it was working well with her patients with both CH and migraine.

The benefits of vitamin D3 is making its way around the world.
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Reply #355 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 2:53am
 
I was, a while back, when I was getting my Blood tests done, and couldn't see my normal doctor,  was told, do you realise this Vitamin regime could only be seem to be working, because of the placebo effect !!!!  REALLY !
yes, when in cycle, I find there are things that can trigger an attack,  But in all seriousness, does anyone think a placebo effect can stave off a cluster cycle ?  some one give you a sugar capsule and miraculously your cluster headaches disappear ? mind over matter.  Just don't think the beast is dumb enough to be tricked into that sort of head space. I think as an episodic sufferer, and no that everyones different in there cycle times, but if you get hit with a cycle every three months for 5 years, I don't think any type of placebo or mind over matter pill is going to break the routine, You know yourself when something has changed, something is different within,  if you know what I mean.
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Reply #356 - Jun 5th, 2015 at 3:54am
 
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that I am pretty sure that a placebo effect could impact CH. If you look at some of the common triggers for CH, like stress (high / low / changes between), being hungry, tired, etc. they all have an impact that is controlled by the brain / nervous system. So it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a placebo effect could impact CH.

Just a simple example could be where someones CHs can be triggered by high stress. If they were given a tablet which they were told had a very high success rate against CH then it is quite likely that their stress levels will be lower which could result in CHs not being triggered.

It could make an interesting trial where people with CH were told that they were being given a tablet that was a very good preventive but it is actually a placebo, with some people getting a placebo and not being told it was, some being told it was a placebo, with others getting something like verapamil, some told it was, some told it was a placebo.

The only group who should benefit should be those getting the verapamil. However a placebo effect could result in those with verapamil but told it is a placebo getting less benefit. Plus those with the placebo but being told it wasn't benefiting more than those with a placebo and told it was.

I strongly suspect that this trial would find evidence of a placebo effect with CH, although I've no idea how large the effect is likely to be.
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Reply #357 - Jun 5th, 2015 at 9:50pm
 
The human mind is a curious thing.

I don't think for one minute that I could stop a CH with my mind, but the mind can certainly affect it's impact.

The pain I feel from CH's is still same and hurts like hell but the impact that pain has on my psyche and my life has been reduced through education and action.

Power of the mind ?
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Reply #358 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 1:27am
 
      Placebo effect Huh, I'll tell ya what I think of that.  Years ago, 4 or 5 episodes into this malady, every episode almost exactly 8 weeks long and I had zero tools to combat the monster with. Then I heard about Feverfew, so grasping at any straw offered, I started taking it in capsule form and lo and behold my cycle ended abruptly at 5 or 6 weeks. Finis, gone, done and done, you can't imagine how elated I was ( actually you probably can). I had the answer! I got you now you B$%#*&. When you come back I know how to handle you!

      Placebo effect?   Possibly or my cycle just happened to take an early exit. I know that now but I didn't know that then.

       Fast forward 5 or 6 months and when he came calling I was prepared. My understanding of placebos is the greater the faith, the greater the effect and trust me I had absolute confidence in my new found friend, Feverfew, so you can imagine how disappointed I was when nothing happened.
I kept at it, still nada except for getting hammered.  Never did work. And I believed in the stuff!!! Placebo effect, my A$$. I know pain when when I feel it.

       Read about oxygen here, got on it and it worked the first time and mostly every time since. (With adjustments) No placebo here.

        Read about D3 here in 2013, got on it, nothing happened and almost gave up on it but 2 and 1/2 weeks in things started to work and it killed that cycle in under 4 weeks. But I was expecting instant results and really doubted it was going to work. Placebo, my foot.  Same thing this year, in fact I remember telling my wife that I didn't think it was gonna work this time cause nothing was  happening for so long. I started checking the expiration dates on the vitamins (some of those bottles were 2 years old now), anything to explain why it wasn't working. But it finally did work, does work ---  for me, I guess it takes some time but I had lost faith there for awhile. For a placebo to work ya gotta believe in it. No placebo here either.

   I gotta go with shortstraw, we know pain when we feel it.         Sean


   P.S.  How do I know my episode didn't end early? In spite of D3 rather than because of it?  Cause in 2013 it came back a month later when I quit D3 after the first bout and this year because it hasn't really ended, I'm just pain free. I'm still getting little shadows and occasional stabs now and then. Plus, in 19 years I've never had 14 to 20 day episodes (I wish!) and don't think there's many here that have either
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Reply #359 - Jun 6th, 2015 at 2:52am
 
Interesting comments...  There's no question in my mind that a placebo effect exists in CH pharmaceutical and nutraceutical intervention...  The only issue Mike pointed out in his bottom line...  How big is the placebo effect for CH?

I'll side with the 14% arrived at in the study titled: Placebo response in cluster headache trials: a review... as that value was reported using the strict endpoint; cessation of headache attacks...  That said, I still have reservations with the 14%...

The two studies they used to come up with the 14% figure included episodic CH'ers...  They represent a built-in confounding factor due to confusing a favorable response, in this case a cessation of headache attacks with end of cycle.

We recognized this confounding factor and attempted to qualify and quantify its effect in the online survey questionnaire by adding the following question for episodic CH'ers who experienced a favorable response to the anti-inflammatory regimen:

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If you throw out the first and last category due to possible errors in estimating when the response occurred and in estimating the episodic cycle length, then take the remaining last quartile... you get 17% as a reasonable, ball park estimate of the number of episodic CH'ers who could have possibly confused the favorable response with end of cycle...

My rationale for going through these mental gymnastics is simple...  the end of cycle confounding factor apples to the placebo effect just as it applies to the overall efficacy of any given pharmaceutical and nutraceutical method of CH intervention for episodic CH'ers...

Sooo... if you've followed me so far...  the 14% placebo effect in the above study is likely high...  If we use the ballpark estimate for the confounding factor of 17%, the likely placebo effect is somewhere between 11% and 12% for episodic CH'ers.

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Reply #360 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 4:41am
 
Mike NZ wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 3:54am:
I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that I am pretty sure that a placebo effect could impact CH. If you look at some of the common triggers for CH, like stress (high / low / changes between), being hungry, tired, etc. they all have an impact that is controlled by the brain / nervous system. So it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a placebo effect could impact CH.

Just a simple example could be where someones CHs can be triggered by high stress. If they were given a tablet which they were told had a very high success rate against CH then it is quite likely that their stress levels will be lower which could result in CHs not being triggered.

It could make an interesting trial where people with CH were told that they were being given a tablet that was a very good preventive but it is actually a placebo, with some people getting a placebo and not being told it was, some being told it was a placebo, with others getting something like verapamil, some told it was, some told it was a placebo.

The only group who should benefit should be those getting the verapamil. However a placebo effect could result in those with verapamil but told it is a placebo getting less benefit. Plus those with the placebo but being told it wasn't benefiting more than those with a placebo and told it was.

I strongly suspect that this trial would find evidence of a placebo effect with CH, although I've no idea how large the effect is likely to be.

I agree Mike with all of your above comments.
I think that ( as stated)  stress, food, and for me, lack of sleep is a huge trigger. recently went on holiday and one flight was delayed for 8 hours, so ended up being awake for nearly 24 hours, my sleep routine was interrupted and it immediately started my clusters.
But, I think where I initially and others were coming from, was taking a placebo during a full on cycle, one not bought on by stress or sleep, which for me, don't last very long and aren't as intense as when I'm in a full on cycle, and don't last for more than a few days, in this instance a placebo I feel would be useless !
certainly taking a placebo, as a replacement for let say verapamil, or another preventative, I also don't believe that mind over matter will halt an episodic cluster sufferer from going into cycle,( not bought on by stress etc) that would indicate to me to being a cure and we all know this disease is definitely not one created in the mind.
But yes, where certain factors trigger an abnormal cluster attack, ( one out of normal cycle time ) then I definitely believe in the placebo effect.
I guess too, if we knew what  the ultimate cause was, that firstly gives us this affliction, we would be a lot more advanced in treatments and methods to combat it.
I've managed to realise my triggers and manage them successfully, excessive hot weather for me will trigger a hit, sleep as mentioned, dehydration and acohol, by managing these factors, I didn't get hit with any more than shadows outside my normal 3-4 monthly cycle, and thank heavens for the Vit d regime as I've ( touch wood ) missed two full cycles so far this year.
I think that our clusters are always with us, just waiting for some one to wake it up and give us a reminder !
but our regular episodic cycles, I think that's a different beast, and one that doesn't doesn't get fooled by sugar pills.
but an interesting subject and one that I'm sure will make people think about things.
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Reply #361 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 3:49pm
 
The only way to understand the role of placebo in CH is through trials. There is almost certainly the likelihood of it appearing, so the only question is on the degree.
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Reply #362 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 6:39am
 
finally managed to get GP to test vit D and guess what im low real low.
im 10.5 nmol/L

i havnt been hit for 18 months though and im guessing thats because of busting Cheesy
so i can now start vit d regimn and hopefully get another 18 months.
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Reply #363 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 8:54am
 
Hey Tangerinearmy, give me the D3 regimen anytime before busting. Although i do "bust" in a recreational way once -sometimes twice- a year.  Wink
Your D3 level is alarmingly low. Batch recommends taking 600000iu D3 over the 1st month before leveling at 10000iu/day, of course that needs to be taken with the other elements of the regimen with which you are probably familiar as you have been around this site for a while.
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Reply #364 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 1:01pm
 
Hey Tangerinearmy,

Thierry is spot on...  With a 25(OH)D serum concentration that low, you're at risk for several other medical conditions besides CH...  Peruse the following link for a very long list of health problems linked to a low vitamin D3 status...

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That list should be more than ample motivation for starting the anti-inflammatory regimen with the vitamin D3 loading schedule...

The vitamin D3 loading instructions are a third of the way down page 1 of the following link:

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The 25(OH)D response to dose curves for 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 are illustrated in the following graphic...  Starting the loading schedule cuts the time to one fifth of the time to reach 80 ng/mL at 10,000 IU/day.

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I've been tracking several CH'ers over on Clusterbuster and have yet to hear of any problems from CH'ers busting and taking the anti-inflammatory regimen at the same time.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #365 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 2:41pm
 
Tangerinearmy,

I thought I was low at 33 nmol/L when I started the D3 and it has changed my life. My Doctor too was shocked at how low I was.

Listen to Batch & Thierry.

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Reply #367 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 5:19pm
 
There are a great number of reasons why there's no way this vitamin D regimen is a placebo effect.

I personally used 8 different regimens/plans to stop cluster headaches.  The first 7 did absolutely nothing.  The 8th one, the batch vitamin D regimen, took three days before my headaches went down 75%!   After 5 weeks, gone 95%!  100% most days.

This wasn't a positive thinking or hoping placebo because I thought the vitamin d regimen would not work.  I expected it to do nothing.  This is why I waited so long to even try it. 

And, what about people that have tried everything and nothing worked for 30 years!!!  But then this works???  It's just luck that the 1,000th thing they tried works and its all just the power of the mind.  That doesn't even make any sense!  If this was true, there would be MANY MANY MANY placebo cures with good results.  There isn't!!!  You have a bunch of cures with 10-20% success rates and this one is at 70%.  It is what it is....

Placebo effect is when someone is given a drug, they think, but its fake.  They believe they are given a real drug and their body sometimes takes on changes, even if its a fake pill.  I didn't believe the vitamin D would work at all, so there was no power of faith going on with me.

Anyone who even mentions this is all a placebo effect has never had a cluster headache.  It happens the EXACT same time, every day, same symptoms for weeks.  You could NEVER take a fake pill (a sugar pill), believe its a cure for cluster headaches, then it cuts down 75% in three days.  It's not going to happen.  You can take a different vitamin every day for weeks and believe its a cure, and its NOT going to stop these headaches.  Not until you take D3 with fish oil, calcium, magnesium, etc.

Also, myself and others have mentioned that when the vitamin D is reduced, the headaches start to return.  If I skip three days I get a little flair up until i start taking it again.  Then it stops.  This is too coincidental to just be me thinking something will or will not work. 

Lastly, why didn't the other 7 regimens I tried, that I believed would cure me, do nothing???  But the vitamin D regimen, that has a high % of success, it works for me and many others.  So, it's all a coincidence for us that this works and nothing else does?  The odds are too great against that. 

Certain drugs or vitamins ARE cures for ailments.  Some noteworthy scientist has to "say its a cure" before its official.  Penicillin was considered snake oil for many years, but it was really a cure.  Vitamin D regimen is really a cure for CH too.

But why isn't it 100% cure for everyone.  Well, A lot of CH sufferers are very heavy drinkers.  If your liver is totally shot, or it has to process huge amounts of liquor along with vitamins, your body will not be able to absorb the vitamins the same way a healthy non-drinkers liver would.  This could be a reason why it doesnt work for some people.

Thanks for the regimen Batch!!!  I had to suffer with this for only 5 weeks thanks to you!  That was bad.  But I've ready about some dealing with this for 30 years!!!!!
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Reply #368 - Jun 10th, 2015 at 5:43pm
 
MiRose wrote on Jun 10th, 2015 at 5:19pm:
There are a great number of reasons why there's no way this vitamin D regimen is a placebo effect.

I personally used 8 different regimens/plans to stop cluster headaches.  The first 7 did absolutely nothing.  The 8th one, the batch vitamin D regimen, took three days before my headaches went down 75%!   After 5 weeks, gone 95%!  100% most days.

This wasn't a positive thinking or hoping placebo because I thought the vitamin d regimen would not work.  I expected it to do nothing.  This is why I waited so long to even try it. 

And, what about people that have tried everything and nothing worked for 30 years!!!  But then this works???  It's just luck that the 1,000th thing they tried works and its all just the power of the mind.  That doesn't even make any sense!  If this was true, there would be MANY MANY MANY placebo cures with good results.  There isn't!!!  You have a bunch of cures with 10-20% success rates and this one is at 70%.  It is what it is....

Placebo effect is when someone is given a drug, they think, but its fake.  They believe they are given a real drug and their body sometimes takes on changes, even if its a fake pill.  I didn't believe the vitamin D would work at all, so there was no power of faith going on with me.

Anyone who even mentions this is all a placebo effect has never had a cluster headache.  It happens the EXACT same time, every day, same symptoms for weeks.  You could NEVER take a fake pill (a sugar pill), believe its a cure for cluster headaches, then it cuts down 75% in three days.  It's not going to happen.  You can take a different vitamin every day for weeks and believe its a cure, and its NOT going to stop these headaches.  Not until you take D3 with fish oil, calcium, magnesium, etc.

Also, myself and others have mentioned that when the vitamin D is reduced, the headaches start to return.  If I skip three days I get a little flair up until i start taking it again.  Then it stops.  This is too coincidental to just be me thinking something will or will not work. 

Lastly, why didn't the other 7 regimens I tried, that I believed would cure me, do nothing???  But the vitamin D regimen, that has a high % of success, it works for me and many others.  So, it's all a coincidence for us that this works and nothing else does?  The odds are too great against that. 

Certain drugs or vitamins ARE cures for ailments.  Some noteworthy scientist has to "say its a cure" before its official.  Penicillin was considered snake oil for many years, but it was really a cure.  Vitamin D regimen is really a cure for CH too.

But why isn't it 100% cure for everyone.  Well, A lot of CH sufferers are very heavy drinkers.  If your liver is totally shot, or it has to process huge amounts of liquor along with vitamins, your body will not be able to absorb the vitamins the same way a healthy non-drinkers liver would.  This could be a reason why it doesnt work for some people.

Thanks for the regimen Batch!!!  I had to suffer with this for only 5 weeks thanks to you!  That was bad.  But I've ready about some dealing with this for 30 years!!!!!


Awesome to hear you only had to experience it for 5 weeks total!  The beast returned for my wife this week.  Only the second cycle of her lifetime.  The D3 regimen kicked it the first time, but she stopped during the fall.  Hoping this will be a lifelong thing starting today and she will go through life thinking, "wow, those two clusters sucked.  Glad I will never go through that again!"
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Reply #369 - Jun 11th, 2015 at 10:01am
 
Hey MiRose,

Welcome to CH.com.  Thank you for the kind words and for the wonderful back brief on your experience with the anti-inflammatory regimen.

Your last question, "But why isn't it 100% cure for everyone?" has been a motivating factor for me since the early days of this regimen in 2011 when the raw efficacy of this regimen in preventing CH, based on posted comments, was around 70%.

We've learned a lot about this regimen over the last four years and the most recent findings are proving to be significant game changers for the non-responders to this regimen.

The first finding came from Dr. Stasha Gominak, MD.  She's a neurologist in Tyler TX who developed a similar vitamin D3 regimen for her patients with sleep, chronic pain, and headache disorders over six years ago. 

Dr. Gominak recommends the same vitamin D3 dose and cofactors as used in the anti-inflammatory regimen, but adds a lab test for vitamin B12 as an indicator of overall status of the seven B vitamins and she adds a 3-month course of vitamin B 50.  I've incorporated her suggestions in the anti-inflammatory regimen as of April of 2014.

One of the latest finding involves the role of allergic reactions in CH and their impact on the efficacy of the anti-inflammatory regimen as a CH preventative.  It turns out that allergic reactions, primarily to pollen, result in a flood of histamine that triggers the obvious signs of an allergy.  What is significant is these allergic reactions are also occurring in the brain where they cannot be seen... except for their impact on the anti-inflammatory regimen...  in short, making it less effective or not effective at all in preventing CH.

The breakthrough came in an attempt to treat these allergies with Benadryl, (Diphenhydramine).  Benadryl is a first-generation antihistamine that passes through the blood brain barrier to block histamine receptors in brain cells.  Second- and third-generation antihistamines cannot do this.

I started using Benadryl last March when the Alder and Big Leaf Maple pollen was blowing around my home like a dust storm.  Up until that point I had my chronic CH well under control with the anti-inflammatory regimen at a dose of 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3.

All that changed in March.  Within 6 hours of the pollen fall, I noted a clear allergic reaction, 12 hours after the pollen fall started, I got hit with an eye watering KIP-6 CH... 

My usual response to a burn-through or break-through hit is to increase the vitamin D3 intake...  I did that and was up to 50,000 IU/day vitamin D3 plus extra magnesium, but that wasn't working... I was still getting whacked every two hours.

That's when the clue bird made a low pass and my Good Idea light came on bright and flashing...  "TREAT THE ALLERGY !!!"

After a little research, I selected Benadryl and a 25 mg tablet four times a day.  24 hours after starting the Benadryl, I was again CH pain free.  I've sense found that two tablets a day, (one every 12 hours) is more than sufficient to keep me pain free while taking the anti-inflammatory regimen.  I also found I could lower the vitamin D3 dose to 15,000 IU/day and still remain pain free.

I've tested this three times over the last two months by stopping the Benadryl...  As expected, if the pollen was still present, my CH returned, then stopped when I restarted the Benadryl.  As you noted... that helps rule out any placebo effect.

One of the presentations at the 2014 American Academy of Neurology Annual Meeting in Philadelphia was on the human microbiome...  essentially the friendly colonies of flora and fauna in the GI tract, their role in the immune system, and how to keep them happy and healthy.   

The researchers found they could reduce flare-ups in remitting recurring multiple sclerosis (RRMS) patients by administering probiotics...

This got me thinking why wouldn't this work for CH as well.  That led to some additional reading that resulted in the following:

Treating cluster headache (CH) patients with the anti-inflammatory regimen to prevent their CH represents a paradigm shift from the conventional Standards of Care recommended treatments for CH.   The standards of care recommended treatments address the neurological symptoms of CH as a trigeminal autonomic cephalalgia (TAC) with neurogenic origins in the hypothalamus and manifestations in the trigeminal nerves.  Acute treatments include oxygen therapy inhalation with non-rebreathing mask at flow rates of 15 to 25 liters/minute, followed by Sumatriptan Succinate (Imitrex).  Subcutaneous injections of Imitrex are effective in aborting CH in 5 to 10 minutes.  Imitrex nasal spray can be effective in 10 to 20 minutes.  Imitrex tablets are usually effective in 20 to 30 minutes.  Typical prophylactic treatments include a prednisone taper as a transitional preventative while titrating up with the longer-term preventative verapamil, a calcium channel blocker and in some cases, lithium.  Greater Occipital Nerve (GON) blocks and Sphenopalatine Ganglion (SPG) blocks have also proven to effective preventative treatments.

The anti-inflammatory regimen with vitamin D3 is a completely different treatment modality that addresses vitamin and mineral deficiencies as an underlying cause or contributor of CH.  That > 82% of over 600 CH’ers respond favorably to a daily regimen of vitamin D3, Omega-3 fatty acids and the vitamin D3 cofactors that support vitamin D3 pharmacokinetics, suggests CH is a genetotrophic disease. 

In 1956 Dr. Roger J. Williams, PhD., the biochemist who discovered the B-vitamin pantothenic acid, coined the term "genetotrophic disease" to describe diseases which resulted from genetically determined nutritional metabolic needs not being met by the individual and which result in poor gene expression. Motulsky has recently argued that many of the common degenerative diseases are the result of the imbalance nutritional intake with genetically determined needs for good health.

When you stop and think about it, there are a number of diseases that meet the definition of a genetotrophic disease such as Scurvy - lack of vitamin C, Rickets - lack of vitamin D3, Osteoporosis - lack of vitamin D3, Berberi - lack of vitamin B1 (thiamine)...

What is also clear, is the CH disorder is also associated with neurogenic inflammation in and around the trigeminal nerves and very possibly elsewhere throughout the brain.  As inflammation is the result of an immune system response to insult from a number of sources, CH could also be classified as a chronic neuroimmune disease.

Once you make that distinction,  CH falls in with more than 80 other autoimmune diseases like Multiple Sclerosis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, Rheumatoid arthritis, the irritable bowel diseases: Crohn’s, Ulcerative Colitis, Celiac and IBS.  The list goes on… 

That makes CH very likely an autoimmune disease with neurological manifestations that can be treated and prevented by genetic expression made possible with vitamin D3.

Accordingly, there is no question in my mind that the success of the anti-inflammatory regimen with vitamin D3 as a CH preventative represents an "out of the box" new insight into the pathogenesis of CH...  It just needs to be reverse engineered to look at causality.

I'm also firmly convinced that the mechanism of action for this regimen lies with the autocrine/paracrine signaling role vitamin D3 plays at the genetic level triggering genetic expression. 

This is where a 1,25(OH)2D3 molecule combines with one of the retinoid molecules (vitamin A), to form a dimer bridge that then attaches one end to a vitamin D receptor (VDR) and the other to a Retinoid X Receptor (RXR) in a vitamin D response element (VDRE) on a candidate gene.

When this happens, Dr. Robert Heaney explains it best by saying, "vitamin D3 unlocks the cells genetic library of instructions and the cell starts executing them" i.e., genetic expression.

During genetic expression, the cell starts performing one or more of the following activities:  it replicates, differentiates, starts producing or inhibiting the production of peptides and other active chemicals that signal or control other biological processes within the cell or nearby or the cell dies.

Research in this area reveals several studies that indicate there are vitamin D3 receptors and the enzymes needed to hydroxylate vitamin D3 to 25(OH)D and 1,25(OH)2D3 found in brain cells throughout the brain.  What is particularly interesting is the highest concentrations of these genetic expression precursors are found in the hypothalamus and trigeminal nerves…  With the hypothalamus involved, we're talking the neurogenic headwaters of CH pathogenesis.

If we follow this confluence of findings and add in calcitonin gene-related peptide (CGRP), which several studies have found is produced in the trigeminal ganglia and elevated in the bloodstream during the pain phase of CH and migraine... we have a possible trigger. 

Adding one more factoid that vitamin D3 has been shown to down regulate/suppress the production of CGRP, (quite possibly through genetic expression), we have a viable candidate mechanism of action for vitamin D3's capacity to prevent CH.

I say possible candidate, as a 2010 study identified 2776 genomic positions occupied by the VDR and 229 genes with significant changes in expression in response to vitamin D3...  Accordingly, there are thousands of other candidates for genetic expression made possible by vitamin D3... and any one or more of them could easily play a role in a mechanism of action inhibiting CH pathogenesis...

And so ends a long winded update... with more info on CH to ponder...

Take care,

V/R, Batch
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Reply #370 - Jun 15th, 2015 at 7:07am
 
Hey Batch,
Over the last 2 weeks I've been getting hit with K6 - K8's every couple of hours and a decent night's sleep is a distant memory.

I have not missed a single day on the D3 regimen since I started and it all seemed to be going well until now. I have been taking 20,000 D3 daily and took the B Complex for 3 months ( back on it now over the last few days).

In addition I have been taking 1 Benadryl (50mg) at night. I dare not take them during the day due to the drowsey feeling they cause.

Any ideas why the last 2 weeks have been so rough? I have been chronic for the last two and half years ans so get mild shadows or K2 - K4's every day anyway. Is it possible to have a cycle within a cycle?

Incidentally, you may remember that my better half, Christine, broke her leg in March and on your kind advice I started her on the Regimen. She says she feels great on it and her leg has healed very well. The surgeon is very please with her recovery.

Anyway, any advice would be most welcome.

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Reply #371 - Jun 15th, 2015 at 3:13pm
 
Peter,

Good on you for getting your wife started on this regimen...

I've been on travel for the last week in Northern VA, and Lewes, DE and am having the same problem...  Pollen is still flying in this neck of the woods... 

As a result, I'm also taking 50 mg/day Benadryl, 25 mg every 12 hours...  I've also had to bump my vitamin D3 intake to 50,000 IU/day in order to stay pain free...  I take 25,000 IU in the a.m. and 25,000 IU in the evening along with all the rest of the supplements prior to bed.

There are enough studies available that indicate a couple weeks at 50,000 IU/day vitamin D3 to get the edge on any allergic reaction is very safe...  If your 25(OH)D was already at 80 ng/mL, a couple weeks at a vitamin D3 intake of 50,000 IU/day will elevate it up to around 150 ng/mL... but it will drop as soon as you return to your maintenance dose.

I'd also suggest you pop the vitamin D3 liquid softgels between your back teeth and swirl the contents around your mouth, cheeks, and under the tongue without swallowing for at least 5 minutes.  This will get most of the vitamin D3 directly into your blood stream and bypass the GI tract where absorption may be a problem.

The contents taste slightly sweet and gel caps turn into a gummy bear consistency then dissolve.

My rapid response (less than 2 hours) to this method and dose of vitamin D3 provides an interesting piece of data, and that is it may be the vitamin D3 entering target nerve cells in the hypothalamus and trigeminal ganglia that produces the preventative effect in stead of just the first vitamin D3 metabolite, 25(OH)D.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #372 - Jun 16th, 2015 at 3:53am
 
Hi peter510,
                   sorry to hear your getting hit at the minute.
I should look over your posts for the answer, But, you say you were chronic ?  how long were you taking the regime, and how long were you getting a benefit from it before the last 2 weeks of worse hits came along ?
did you get a definite period of sorts of definite relief ?
I only ask out of interest, I have been on the regime for about 2 years with slow results, but the last 6-8 months for me have been great, I can feel when the cycle comes and apart from some heavy shadows and maybe the odd sneak thru hit, I haven't had my last 3, full on 3 week, 5 hits a day ( kip 8 plus) cycles. I've also found taking a really good probiotic daily from the fridge has really made a difference for me, which I suspect, I had an absorption issue, even though my blood tests showed I was at a good level.
Anyways, just interested in your experience..
good luck with breaking this cycle, sooner than later too
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Reply #373 - Jun 16th, 2015 at 6:57am
 
Colin,
I've been taking D3 since January and I have been getting good results from about early March. I define good results as shadows and 1/2 K 3/4's a day, which is very manageable. Indeed, an energy drink gets the job done most of the time.

The weather here has been pretty good over the last couple of weeks and that does mean high pollen counts, which is why I take the Benadryl.

My last blood test was at 175 nmol/L which is not too bad.

I have never tried a daily probiotic, but will give it a go.

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Reply #374 - Jun 17th, 2015 at 4:14am
 
Hi Peter,  Thanks for that.
  Its interesting, when a definite impact is made by the regime, especially one being chronic. Some times its hard to know when your episodic just whats working or not if you know what I mean. So being chronic, the regime has definitely made an impact !
Ive struggled with it, but Finally it seems to having an effect. Pryor to this last 6-8 months, it still made an impact, it reduced the pain level dramatically. So Its been a case of working with batch and "tweeking things" for me.
The probiotic, was in direct relation to me not handling to much magnesium and probably the fish oil too, but I definitely was able to tolerate things better on a daily probiotic and definitely would have allowed me to then properly absorb everything.  Now the talk is with pollen spores !  Of which, I do suffer from during that time of year, so there's always something to add and tweek as we go,  sure beats drugs !
Peter, I currently have found that 200-220nmol is my sweet spot and every 6 monthly blood test has shown that my serum levels are perfect !  so don't be afraid of titrating up if necessary, I even got to 250nmol at one stage.
regular blood tests is the key !!!
So I sit here at the minute, knowing that this is my time for a cycle, I can feel it there ( for the last week) but its not breaking out ! very mild shadows which a red bull kills off, and touch wood nothing else. This will be the 3rd cycle I've skipped in a row (normally every 3 or so months like clock work)   
good luck with your current issues, hope to just withers away !
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