Mike NZ wrote on Jun 5th, 2015 at 3:54am:I've been thinking about this all day and have come to the conclusion that I am pretty sure that a placebo effect could impact CH. If you look at some of the common triggers for CH, like stress (high / low / changes between), being hungry, tired, etc. they all have an impact that is controlled by the brain / nervous system. So it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that a placebo effect could impact CH.
Just a simple example could be where someones CHs can be triggered by high stress. If they were given a tablet which they were told had a very high success rate against CH then it is quite likely that their stress levels will be lower which could result in CHs not being triggered.
It could make an interesting trial where people with CH were told that they were being given a tablet that was a very good preventive but it is actually a placebo, with some people getting a placebo and not being told it was, some being told it was a placebo, with others getting something like verapamil, some told it was, some told it was a placebo.
The only group who should benefit should be those getting the verapamil. However a placebo effect could result in those with verapamil but told it is a placebo getting less benefit. Plus those with the placebo but being told it wasn't benefiting more than those with a placebo and told it was.
I strongly suspect that this trial would find evidence of a placebo effect with CH, although I've no idea how large the effect is likely to be.
I agree Mike with all of your above comments.
I think that ( as stated) stress, food, and for me, lack of sleep is a huge trigger. recently went on holiday and one flight was delayed for 8 hours, so ended up being awake for nearly 24 hours, my sleep routine was interrupted and it immediately started my clusters.
But, I think where I initially and others were coming from, was taking a placebo during a full on cycle, one not bought on by stress or sleep, which for me, don't last very long and aren't as intense as when I'm in a full on cycle, and don't last for more than a few days, in this instance a placebo I feel would be useless !
certainly taking a placebo, as a replacement for let say verapamil, or another preventative, I also don't believe that mind over matter will halt an episodic cluster sufferer from going into cycle,( not bought on by stress etc) that would indicate to me to being a cure and we all know this disease is definitely not one created in the mind.
But yes, where certain factors trigger an abnormal cluster attack, ( one out of normal cycle time ) then I definitely believe in the placebo effect.
I guess too, if we knew what the ultimate cause was, that firstly gives us this affliction, we would be a lot more advanced in treatments and methods to combat it.
I've managed to realise my triggers and manage them successfully, excessive hot weather for me will trigger a hit, sleep as mentioned, dehydration and acohol, by managing these factors, I didn't get hit with any more than shadows outside my normal 3-4 monthly cycle, and thank heavens for the Vit d regime as I've ( touch wood ) missed two full cycles so far this year.
I think that our clusters are always with us, just waiting for some one to wake it up and give us a reminder !
but our regular episodic cycles, I think that's a different beast, and one that doesn't doesn't get fooled by sugar pills.
but an interesting subject and one that I'm sure will make people think about things.
regards
colin