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Reply #50 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 3:55pm
 
Oh, poor you Maz! That sounds brutal.  Watching my husband, the dread of the pain is almost as bad as the pain himself...it's like a huge psychological cringe  Sad .

I hope you get more O2. It's amazing how much dh is going through. We don't even know if the insurance will pay for it yet  Shocked .

We're on the southwest coast so our summers are mild.  High of 25C today.

But dh is having a tough time with his allergies. Yesterday, he started violently sneezing within minutes of coming home. Then the CH hit half an hour later. His armchair is near the guinea pig cage which gets cleaned and bedding changed once a week. Even though all the windows are open, I am still wondering if there could be an allergy trigger with the hay, the animals themselves, or possibly some summer mold on the hay? And maybe the allergy trigger is a CH trigger? He rarely gets CH outside the home.

With your weather I hope you are drinking lots of water with enough electrolytes too!

Thanks for your support. I hope your husband is there for you.
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Reply #51 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
Hi fiesty,
Yes my husband is a wonderful supporter. It breaks his heart that he can't do anything for me, but he keeps out of my way which is basically how I prefer to handle it. I know I only have to call and he'll be there. He felt rejected at first, but he understands now that I don't want to be fussed over.

Although I do dread the next one I try very hard not to think about it. As I said in another post I just deal with them as they occur. Otherwise your whole life is about CH, and I have better places to direct my energy. It completely took over in the beginning but I wanted my life back. You mustn't let it win.

Is it possible to put your pets in a different room for a while - as an experiment. If he sits right next to them, then no doubt he is breathing in thier dust/ scent/allergens. Lots of allergies are caused by animals. If you move them and he suddenly gets better then you'd know. How good would that be ?   Cheesy
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Reply #52 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 4:41pm
 
I don't know. Maybe we could board them out for a week? We live in a 1000 square foot apartment and the bedrooms are too small for their cage (which is the size of a small bed). I guess it's worth it huh?

Our bedroom has an old gross carpet in it too. You vacuum and steam clean but it feels like it's never really clean. I wonder if he has allergies to things in the bedroom and living room since he seems to get headaches in those places the most. Hmm...
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Reply #53 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:13pm
 
Vacuum your mattress too. The dust that comes off the average mattress is unbelievable. And all that dust is dead skin cells and matress mites (no offense intended here - we all have them) and thier poo. Gross !!! Breathing in that stuff all night is bound to have an effect on those who suffer from allergies. (And can't be much good for those who don't).

Some years ago I had a guy come round to demonstrate some super duper vacuum he was selling. He put a clean, new bag in it and vacuumed my mattress. When he emptied the bag I couldn't believe my eyes. And the mattress was only a year old. Sadly at well over £500 I couldn't afford to buy the vacuum. Still, got a free clean up.

The temperature has been about 25c here today too - quite a bit cooler than it as been for the last few weeks. (This is not the typical english summer). A few years ago we went to Darwin Australia in December which is summer over there. One day the temp was 51c. That's hot.
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Reply #54 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:53pm
 
maz wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 5:13pm:
Vacuum your mattress too. The dust that comes off the average mattress is unbelievable. And all that dust is dead skin cells and matress mites (no offense intended here - we all have them) and thier poo.
Funny you should say that. My son got diagnosed with dust mite allergy so I learned a lot about it. We have a mattress pad and all of the bedding gets washed and sanitized (removes allergens) weekly in case that's the issue. But if dh has a dust mite allergy, apparently carpets are the #1 issue. We use a good vacuum with an allergy filter but still.

I started a thread about the allergy issue to get feedback about whether it's worthwhile putting a lot of effort into this particular project.
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Reply #55 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 6:04pm
 
Smiley Just found out from the home oxygen supplier that employer-based supplemental health insurance plans usually DON'T cover O2 for cluster headaches. We are spending about CAN$100/week on it  Shocked . We'll submit the receipts but I'm not optimistic. Maybe dh will take up welding.
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Reply #56 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 6:24pm
 
Jeez. I don't know how much a CAN$ is worth in English £, but that sounds like a lot of money.

I've never understood your insurance systems. It always seems you are covered for everything except what you've got, regardless of what it is.

Here, we pay our National insurance contributions, deducted at a set rate from our pay. Aged over 60s and under 18s don't have to pay anything. Unemployed are automatically covered the same as every one else.

When you need drugs you pay a fixed amount which I think is currently £7.10. Again under 18s, over 60s and unemployed get it free. All hospital or doctor appointments and treatment are covered with nothing extra to pay. The only snag is long waiting lists, so some people who can afford to will  pay to "go private", but no one is left without treatment.
I haven't paid for pills, injections or O2 for over 4 years. I've had appointments with specialists and surgical procedures - all covered.

We complain like hell about our NHS, but I think I prefer our system to yours. I'm on a low income and just wouldn't be able to afford it. I read a lot of posts from America, from people who are absolutely desperate for help and have to go without because of insurance issues.
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Reply #57 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 6:32pm
 
I know, it's crazy huh?

In Canada we pay relatively low set monthly fee for medical services which includes necessary medical care/hospitals. But it doesn't include drugs or treatments administered outside a hospital. Many have employer-based insurance to pay for those, but the exceptions are many.
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Reply #58 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 8:16pm
 
feisty wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 12:19pm:
Also, he had tonnes of holiday time coming to him, but he can't take the two days off that he'd have to due to his role in the company. And...he's just burned out.


Even without all the complications of CH this is an issue in its own right. Everyone needs to have time off to recharge. So add in CH as well and it is no wonder he is feeling burnt out.

He needs to address this too, which I know is easier said than done when everything seems to be going against you. He just needs to start making small, simple steps.
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Reply #59 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 9:49pm
 
Thanks for chiming in Mike. Yes, he needs to work on stress, and holidays. A key employee left the company during this CH cycle, and it's fallen on dh to pick up the pieces. That really didn't help.
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Reply #60 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 7:33am
 
feisty, I've noticed in this string and other strings how many times you mentioned the animals in your apartment and allergies . Is there any way you can remove the animals and their cage/bedding from the apartment for a week or 2 and see if the allergy outbreaks stop?

Oxygen costs and insurance concerns... welder's oxygen is the same quality as medical oxygen.
Just don't mention it is for breathing. If they ask just say a friend is teaching you to weld. It comes in large tanks and smaller, more portable sizes.

It has been my belief that stress is not a trigger of attacks. It is the relaxing after the stressful period. Most of us get attacked during REM sleep. There's not much stress at that time of the night. Many get attacked 3 or more hours after the stressfull workday is finished. Holidays are relaxing times, or should be. So, stay stressed and never sleep. Ever. Wink
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Reply #61 - Aug 1st, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
Hi BobG,

I talked about it with dh last night, and he thinks that our conversations about allergies, the guinea pigs, etc. are just grasping at straws. He is not convinced that he has a consistent trigger pattern and he wants to focus on just getting through this. I did offer to board out the guinea pigs for a week or two to try it out, but he didn't want to do that.

I'm going to look into welder's oxygen.

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It has been my belief that stress is not a trigger of attacks. It is the relaxing after the stressful period. Most of us get attacked during REM sleep. There's not much stress at that time of the night. Many get attacked 3 or more hours after the stressfull workday is finished.

This does seem to fit dh's pattern.

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So, stay stressed and never sleep. Ever.

Roll Eyes I'll be sure to relay that advice  Wink

Thanks for your comments.
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Reply #62 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:04pm
 
So, this is day 12 of the supplement regimen, and I keep thinking: "THIS will be the day that things start getting better". No luck so far, though Batch's info shows that quite a few have to wait for 2 weeks or more to see results.

Dh started sneezing today in his office, so I'm starting to think it's just a pollen issue, not an indoor allergen issue.. He's been home all day but didn't have any sneezing or nose issues until 7:30 PM tonight. No CH yet.

I've been getting allergies lately too - and I've never had them before. They say that climate changes is affecting allergenic pollen timing and profiles.

Haven't decided whether to go camping with the kids without dh next weekend (3 nights). He doesn't really NEED my help, but seems like the moral support helps him? Plus it is useful that I do all the cooking/errands/housework so when I'm away there's more for him to cope with. When I scheduled this camping it never occurred to me that things would be WORSE at this point.
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Reply #63 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 4:33am
 
If your hubby doesn't feel up to it why don't you take the kids camping without him. I know you need a break, and it would be a great pity to dissappoint the children. CH impacts on the lives of not just the sufferer but all those around him, and even though they won't mean to the kids are bound to resent missing out on the good things because of it. It would be a good time for them to re-charge too.

If you make sure all the housework is done (get the kids to help as part of your preperations for the trip) and put some pre- made meals in the freezer for him so he has everything  easily at hand and no chores to do. You never know he may appreciate the "me time".

When ever we have plans to visit family in different parts of the country, and CH strikes just in time to ruin it, I always insist my hubby goes on his own.I prefer to be left alone during an attack anyway and this way he and the grandkids don't miss out, and between attacks I enjoy the solitude.

Alternatively, can you take the O2 with you. It may be equally beneficial to him to have some family time in the peace of the country side with no work (turn off that cell phone) and no stress. I have had 2 long foreign trips where I was plagued with CH. I couldn't take O2 on the plane but had dozens of sumatriptan injections with me. I dealt with each attack when and where it happened and didn't let it spoil anything.

I guess it has to be your husbands choice. But either way I think you and the kids should go. Which ever way it goes I hope you have a great time. Come back and tell us all about it.
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Reply #64 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 2:12pm
 
Thanks Maz. I have mixed feelings about going camping without him, but it might be best. I'll see how he feels about it.

I don't think O2 camping would be safe, would it? I wouldn't have control over flame sources in a crowded family campground with campfires, camp stoves, kids running around with burning marshmallows, etc. I guess if we left the tanks in the car? My husband wouldn't have any privacy if he was using O2 in the car though. Hmm.
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Reply #65 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 4:24pm
 
Fire danger from O2 is misunderstood. It won't catch fire by itself, but will accelerate a fire that is already burning, if the O2 is concentrated enough. If hubby is using O2 sitting 2 feet from a camp fire in open air, nothing is going to happen. Or if hubby is using O2 while smoking weed in a car with the windows rolled up, and catches his shirt on fire, well that wouldn't be a good thing.
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Reply #66 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 4:47pm
 
Could you leave it in the car and just bring it out if he needs it? I wouldn't leave the car in the burning sun though, or it may get too hot.

I should think if you only used it in the confines of your tent and kept it well away from any fires and stoves it would be fine. After all there is not much of it that will escape into the air as he will be breathing most of it. I nursed my mum for a while before she died and she had an oxygen machine in her bedroom. It was a very tiny flat with all rooms leading off a centrall hall, which was only about 4 ft. square. The bedroom door was right opposite the kitchen door and I had to leave all the doors open so I could hear and see her. I cooked in the kitchen on an open flame every day.I smoked too, although I did stand by an open window for that.  Obviously I wouldn't have done it in her room any where near the machine but I was fine across the hallway.

I assume all the fires and stoves will be outside the tent in the open air, and if you keep the kids out while he's using it,then he'll have the privacy he needs. And at night he could probably use it in the car as there would be no one around to see. You can stand guard for him.

I do hope he goes with you. I'm sure with care and a little careful planning you can figure out something workable.Even though the CH will take some of the pleasure out of it, I still think it would do him a world of good to be away from the office for a while and spend leisure time with his family. As i know from my trips away, you can still have a really good time. You mustn't let it completely take over your life.
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Reply #67 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
Hi Maz,
Sorry to read you've been getting attacks during the night
again, I know we've spoken a lot about this here, but trying
to wake up my grey mater, and was wondering if you are
taking Melatonin before bed 5-15mg to stop those night
attacks ?

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Reply #68 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 2:59am
 
Hi Hoppy
Yes I'm really getting hammered at the moment, day and night. I have not had melatonin this time around, but I did use it for my last episode and it didn't help at all. I was taking 12mg (4x3mg). So this time I didn't bother with it.

The O2 is great for kip6 or less,which have been going on for a couple of weeks now.But it's not helping the big ones at night. Maybe they have got too firm a hold by the time I wake up.

I was having 2 or 3 hits during the day, but through the night it was on the hour, every hour. I started taking a sumatriptan tablet at bed time as per your previous suggestion and that seems to have helped, and I am settling into a pattern now, of only 2 per night. I take a suma and a sleeping pill and go to bed appx 11pm. Get woken between 12.30 and 1.30 with a k5 or 6 which I take care of with O2. Then at 4.30 I'm woken again with a monster and the O2 won't touch it so I use an injection. At least having it this way I do manage 2 or 3 hours sleep where as with the all night k6s I wasn't getting more than a half hour doze.

I'm sleeping in the spare room at the moment so I don't disturb Len. I have my tanks and my "home pharmacy" close at hand and when it happens I just think " Oh, here we go again" and I get up, deal with it and go back to sleep. So I'm learning to live with it, and I keep reminding myself that it will stop eventually.
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Reply #69 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 2:31pm
 
Oh Maz, that sounds really rough. I hope your CH taper off soon!

maz wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 2:59am:
The O2 is great for kip6 or less,which have been going on for a couple of weeks now.But it's not helping the big ones at night. Maybe they have got too firm a hold by the time I wake up.
Yes, dh has also been finding that he is getting woken up by full-blown attacks that are hard to abort because they've advanced too far.

Have you tried this O2 breathing technique recommended by Batch?
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Dh did find that his breathing technique affects how well the O2 aborts, though he hasn't fully tried the technique above.

Regarding camping with oxygen. There are a few issues. I've read in numerous places that you shouldn't leave a tank in a hot car - obviously we would expect the car to become very hot in a camping situation in the summer. Leaving tanks in a tent seems like a bad idea too. We wouldn't always be there - we'd be at the beach a lot for example. We would not be able to ensure that the tanks would be secure with kids and flame sources everywhere. A tank will not catch fire by itself, but there have been cases of tanks leaking. I don't know...I'm sure it's do-able but there's some problem solving to do IMO.
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Reply #70 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 2:39pm
 
So, for the first time in weeks, dh had a pain-free day yesterday!  Smiley

He was only woken by a small shadow quickly aborted. He did a few things differently last night. He didn't relax in an easy chair or bed until 3 AM - he worked on his computer in his office the whole time. He also had two rum and cokes in the wee hours (the caffeine?) - he normally drinks beer. It's a long weekend here.

So was it the caffeine (Coke)? Not relaxing? The regimen finally kicking in on day 14?

He's not happy/excited - doesn't want to get his hopes up... Undecided
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Reply #71 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:08pm
 
Hi Maz,
About the Melatonin, I also didn't get much success with
Melatonin, after trying a few different brands, then after reading Joe's post that this worked the best N-ACETYL-5-
so I thought nothing ventured nothing gained, although
not for stopping night attacks as I didn't get them, but
just for sleep. I now use eurovital 5mg which I get online
from Biovea, I take 5mg before bed and sleep like a baby
For CHs 5-15mg seems to work best, but you can take up
to 22mg before bed to help stop those night attacks.

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Reply #72 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 1:53am
 
10:50 PM. Stopped movie. It's back Sad .
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Reply #73 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 4:06pm
 
OK, more optimistic this morning  Smiley .

For the past two nights, dh has only had one CH per night - each time it started weakly and was easily aborted with O2. Last night it started during our movie but he aborted it and he was back to watching within 10 minutes.

Something is happening. Either the cycle is winding down, or the regime is starting to work - yesterday was day 15. I am hoping it's the regime because of what this would mean for dh's future.
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Reply #74 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 4:21pm
 
Me too. Cheesy

Three mild ones in the early hours of this morning, Used O2 but no injections needed, and PF since 6.30 am. It's 9.15 pm now.

What ever is going on for your hubby fiesty, I hope it continues. You may get that camping trip together after all.
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