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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #75 on: Dec 7th, 2006, 3:08pm » |
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on Dec 7th, 2006, 12:10pm, JeffB wrote:| How about responding to Tanners thread regarding a fallen hero. |
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Trying to change the subject again? There's a HUGE difference between supporting the troops and supporting the failed policies of the most stupid and dishonest President in the history of the USA. Lance Cpl. James R. Davenport's blood isn't on the hands of Al-Queda or "the muslims". It's on the hands of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who wrongfully sent him there in the first place, then fucked up the war to the point where it's unwinnable.
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I do NOT respect the opinions of fucking morons who are bigoted racists.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #76 on: Dec 7th, 2006, 4:11pm » |
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on Dec 7th, 2006, 3:08pm, BikerBob wrote:| I do NOT respect the opinions of fucking morons who are bigoted racists. |
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You really should do something about the self hating problem you have, Bob 
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #77 on: Dec 7th, 2006, 4:20pm » |
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on Dec 7th, 2006, 3:08pm, BikerBob wrote:
Trying to change the subject again? There's a HUGE difference between supporting the troops and supporting the failed policies of the most stupid and dishonest President in the history of the USA. Lance Cpl. James R. Davenport's blood isn't on the hands of Al-Queda or "the muslims". It's on the hands of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who wrongfully sent him there in the first place, then fucked up the war to the point where it's unwinnable.
I do NOT respect the opinions of fucking morons who are bigoted racists.
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Figures, you're from the city.
If I want your opinion I'll fucking give it to you.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #78 on: Dec 7th, 2006, 5:34pm » |
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ENOUGH! Back it up and retreat to your respective corners. It you can't be civil, either back out of the thread or take it to pm.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #79 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 7:12am » |
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Theres some good thought here and although this gets a bit personal its gotta be better than watching reality TV even if it does get a bit heated. As for supporting the troops fine ........gets my vote every time ....hey I was one. But you gota appreciate having a president who if his IQ dropped one more point would need watering twice daily is not a smart move. and I certainly didnt elect him but fair dues my PM is a muppet aswell. The thing is trying to bomb people out of existance does nt work ask the Isralies. there will always be another one you have to think of a plan B. Cause as pointed out 19 nuts caused 9/11 and there will always be 19 nuts some where infact a million of so nuts somewhere so you are not gonna killem all. remember I live in a country that has been bombed for over 30 years. Ive spent my whole life being a target of the IRA / barda mein hoff / red brigade what ever comes next, as a serviceman son of a serviceman brother of a serviceman. I spent my childhood growing up waiting to find out if my big brother was gonna get blown up by the bombs he was aspecialist in difussing. Some ........ not all of that paid for by the money collected on St patricks day in NY a few yards from where they crashed the plane. So some of what i hear from you guys I do find a bit rich especially as our country is supposed to be an ally. I guess what im saying you have to appreciate as a nation what you do and say has a profound effect on others especially when you have a leader like Fozzie bear and at the moment a large number of people in the world dont like the USA ( I however count it as our clossest ally)
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #80 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 7:30am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2006, 7:12am, boybath wrote:| I live in a country that has been bombed for over 30 years. |
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It almost seems as though you're content to sit idly by and allow it to happen.
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I can live with that. Never was much for popularity contests.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #81 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 8:04am » |
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Biker Bob, This morning as I get ready to head down to help this family and surround them with flags should the wacko extremists show as they have stated I am not going to get nasty or riled up. I will only say that your response regarding Lance Cpl. Davenport disappoints me to the utmost. I consider your words to be a slap in the face to every man and woman who has served their country since WW2.
I don't know how old you are but if you are old enough and lived in San Francisco in 72 then you were probably one of the fine citizens that spit on me when I came home.
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« Reply #82 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 8:20am » |
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Brew I refer to my learned colleague to the answer given by Biker Bob about respect.
Do you think it was entirly the fact that the same people who passed round the bucket on St Paddys day were perhaps and sadly the biggest victim of the 9/11 tradgedy. my gues and it it is only a guess is that its hard to blindly support terrorism when you have friends and family killed by terrorism. that is the point when they were all talking machoism and trying to meet fire with fire we just recruited more. when their funding stopped they came to the table to talk. we would have like to have got our hands onb a few more of the terrorists but YOUR country wouldnt extradite them even when they killed pregnant women and children. we are now at the peace table we have a chance you are not at the peace table. bush and Blair have made a bad situation even worse (Iraq) and by the looks of your own cross party commitee go hand in cap to the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East Iran to ask them to sort the sh1t out cause if they dont they will have a new Afganistan that will be the next Mecca for muslim terrorists. give me the logic not the bull
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« Reply #83 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 9:52am » |
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« Reply #84 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 9:57am » |
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on Dec 8th, 2006, 8:20am, boybath wrote:Brew I refer to my learned colleague to the answer given by Biker Bob about respect.
Do you think it was entirly the fact that the same people who passed round the bucket on St Paddys day were perhaps and sadly the biggest victim of the 9/11 tradgedy. my gues and it it is only a guess is that its hard to blindly support terrorism when you have friends and family killed by terrorism. that is the point when they were all talking machoism and trying to meet fire with fire we just recruited more. when their funding stopped they came to the table to talk. we would have like to have got our hands onb a few more of the terrorists but YOUR country wouldnt extradite them even when they killed pregnant women and children. we are now at the peace table we have a chance you are not at the peace table. bush and Blair have made a bad situation even worse (Iraq) and by the looks of your own cross party commitee go hand in cap to the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East Iran to ask them to sort the sh1t out cause if they dont they will have a new Afganistan that will be the next Mecca for muslim terrorists. give me the logic not the bull
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For the time being I am going to go forward with the assumption that you are a cluster headache sufferer, and because of that fact alone I will call you my brother.
As to the rest, I am at a loss. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has deemed that every man is entitled to his opinion, and you belong to that group. I thank you for your service, but I disagree with your position.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #85 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 11:15am » |
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sorry you are right to your veiw and that was pompous but it was very inflamatory to suggest we werent trying to do anything about the terrorism when we had freinds dying over there. i think what Im trying to say is before we say things try thinking who you would veiw it if you were in the receipients s shoes
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« Reply #86 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 11:29am » |
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All the diplomatic pleasantries aside, I still don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about the USA. When you are doing what you believe is right (i.e., not knuckling under to Islamic fascists), you damn the torpedos and maintain your course.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jesus wasn't real popular in his day either.
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« Reply #87 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 4:50pm » |
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We're just stuck now. We can't just walk away but we do need to be creative. Beats me what to do.
Our seemingly history deficient leaders have turned a war amongst a civilization into a clash of civilizations.
I believe that this mess isn't necessarily a result of 9/11....it was an excuse to implement some ideas from Wolfowitz and others dating back to Bush 1st. I thought daddy was a decent sort. He was careful.
I blame a lot of this on the end of the cold war. It has made things a bit fuzzy when it comes to maintaining the kind of military with which we are comfortable and probably need anyway. Sigh..... 
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« Reply #88 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 4:56pm » |
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It's kind of ironic, the world seemed safer during the cold war.
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« Reply #89 on: Dec 8th, 2006, 5:44pm » |
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Absolutely but then we were dealing with rational, if not much fun, people most of the time.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #90 on: Dec 9th, 2006, 8:11am » |
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 . john lennon said, "give peace a chance". as adults living in a political world, i find it bazaar, that a theoretical ideal is defended by such violence. politics, should be, "by the people, for the people". not by self satisfying conglomerates.
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« Reply #91 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 3:22pm » |
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Just like it takes two to tango, it takes both sides to "give peace a chance." If you think islamofascists are interested in peace, you are gravely mistaken. The only thing they're interested in is waiting for their enemy to let its guard down.
It doesn't matter to them whose throats they slit, whether it's pacifists or soldiers. We're all infidels to them.
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on Dec 8th, 2006, 4:56pm, JeffB wrote:| It's kind of ironic, the world seemed safer during the cold war. |
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You mean the Cuban Missile Crisis was the good ole days??
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #93 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 4:23pm » |
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Sure, Flo.
At least we knew who our enemies were. They didn't shoot at us and then run and hide in some friggin mosque. Our enemies today could look like just about anyone on a New York subway, hell, they could even be on a message board somewhere typing a load of shit putting our country down.
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Knew who our enemies were? We had far more fear than understanding. I remember having a speaker at our school assembly who talked about how the Russians wanted to shoot our parents, take our TVs, and enslave us kids to clean houses in the USSR. That makes today's hysteria seem a bit tamer. Turns out the Russians weren't quite the minions of Satan they were made out to be.
And with our proxy war in Vietnam, it was a common complaint that we had no idea who the enemy was.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #95 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 5:02pm » |
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on Dec 11th, 2006, 4:41pm, floridian wrote:Knew who our enemies were? We had far more fear than understanding. I remember having a speaker at our school assembly who talked about how the Russians wanted to shoot our parents, take our TVs, and enslave us kids to clean houses in the USSR. That makes today's hysteria seem a bit tamer. Turns out the Russians weren't quite the minions of Satan they were made out to be.
And with our proxy war in Vietnam, it was a common complaint that we had no idea who the enemy was.
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Wow, what a speaker to have. I never felt or heard the Russians wanted to inslave us. But I did get to grow up on Airforce bases around the world surrounded by B-52's and lots of other aircraft and I slept just fine at night. IMO, since the fall of the USSR, we now have a vastly different world and new adversaries that, again, in my judgement made the Soviets look like boy scouts. These are brutal people that want to KILL anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. They are fucking still in the stone age and want the world to do shit their way or face death. We can either kill them where they stand or kill them on our streets. I think we're too soft with these punks and need another couple hundred thousand to do the job right!
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #96 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 5:24pm » |
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Since we're already over there, we should be battle test and perfect our weapons like this one.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #97 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 5:44pm » |
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They are learning to adapt, Jeff......running fast....LOL
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« Reply #98 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 6:23pm » |
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The guys in my office are rolling dude. Too funny.
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Re: The Rape of Europe
« Reply #99 on: Dec 11th, 2006, 10:44pm » |
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on Dec 11th, 2006, 5:24pm, JeffB wrote:
then what ? let them have it ! ? better yet sell it to another, then there are more reasons to keep the war machine going, sucking up the tax revenue !
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