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Violent temperature changes?
Aug 5th, 2008 at 6:26pm
 
I've asked about something kind of similar before, and suggestions were potential serotonin syndrome.

This is different - though maybe still potentially serotonin syndrome.

Last night Gary felt like he was freezing, and we covered him in blankets.  He started shivering.  After about half an hour, he was throwing off so much heat (though he still felt cold) we took his temperature.  It was 107.2 F.  We thought the thermometer was broken, so used a different one.  The thermometer wasn't broken.

We covered him in cool compresses, gave him aspirin, and he drank tons of water.  It slowly came down to 104.x then 103.x and after several hours he was finally down to 101.x.

This morning he was 97.

This afternoon he's still around 97 - but the left side of his body (his foot, leg, hand and arm) are hot to the touch - the right side of the body (the side affected by clusters) is cold to the touch.

????????????????????

The temperature changes are not coinciding with attacks.

Anyone else experience these wild temperature swings - or one side of the body seeming to be such a different temperature from the other?

Laurie
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Reply #1 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 6:34pm
 
He needs to see a Dr. right away.  I am surprised he did not start having convulsions.
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Reply #2 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 6:34pm
 
While in high cycle I do go through extreme body temperture changes......freezing one minute, burning up the next.  Today I feel like I have an internal heating pad installed in me.  My kids felt me and couldn't believe how hot I am to the touch.  I have never taken my temp to check, but 107 is extreme!!!  I would definately call the Dr. and have that checked out.  Any temp 103 and above in an adult can be very dangerous!!!

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Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 7:00pm
 
Could it be the massive amounts of drugs he's doing.
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Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 7:31pm
 
Actually, we saw a Doc this morning.  Just told us to cool him down if his temp spikes again, and if it's over 105 for more than an hour to get to an ER.

Potter wrote on Aug 5th, 2008 at 7:00pm:
Could it be the massive amounts of drugs he's doing.
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I guess it could be, though technically I don't know if the amount is "massive."  When he first saw the pain management doc he had him on much more.  Pain Management doc STARTED him at 75mcg/hour fentanyl patch and 600mcg fentora 4x/day.  He switched to actiq (also fentanyl buccal) the next month.  Now he's on 25mcg/hour patch and 8mg dilaudid 4x/day.  This has been the mix since Jan or Feb - so why the problems would start now, I'm not sure.

In fact, what has changed is that he's taking a bunch of supplements, including Rhodiola.  That he started taking about two weeks ago. 

We're seeing specialist MD nutritionist familiar with clusters on Monday.  Maybe he'll have some useful input.

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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 7:34pm
 
Supplements count as drugs.

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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 9:43pm
 
You mentioned somewhere recently that gary is addicted to narcotics  and are attempting to detox.  While detoxing you were adding the supplements to 'get something going'


If he is detoxing, couldn't it be coming 'down' off the meds that could be causing the strange temp fluctuations?  Did the doctor say anything or make any connections for you regarding the supplements and narcotics ?  Did he allude to any particular 'cause' of the temp changes?  If my doc just said go to ER if temp goes over 105 without offering some potential reasons  or hypotheses   I am not sure my doc would continue to be my 'trusted friend'

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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:00pm
 
mezza wrote on Aug 5th, 2008 at 9:43pm:
You mentioned somewhere recently that gary is addicted to narcotics  and are attempting to detox.  While detoxing you were adding the supplements to 'get something going'


If he is detoxing, couldn't it be coming 'down' off the meds that could be causing the strange temp fluctuations?  Did the doctor say anything or make any connections for you regarding the supplements and narcotics ?  Did he allude to any particular 'cause' of the temp changes?  If my doc just said go to ER if temp goes over 105 without offering some potential reasons  or hypotheses   I am not sure my doc would continue to be my 'trusted friend'

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Garys_Girl wrote on Jul 31st, 2008 at 2:57pm:
George, I could have sworn that thread was on the new message board!  I must be starting to have "senior moments"  Roll Eyes

OK.  For those of you who remember, Gary is chronic since March 2006.  He gets 6 - 10 attacks a day, range k5 - k8 (usually), they usually last 40 minutes to 3 hours.  Some K9s and 10s in there.  His baseline is a K2/K3.  He's tried all the standard drugs, but not the lithium/verapamil combo.  I think the last neuro we saw didn't take him up high enough on the verap to begin with.  The pred taper provided no pain relief at all.

He tried the DHE drip last June.  It made him VIOLENTLY ill.  He's had problems with IBS and a "bad stomach," but he lost about 35 pounds in six weeks.  He was vomiting 20 - 40 times a day.  It was so bad his teeth started eroding.

He used to use caffeine and O2, but both stopped working.  He tried Kudzu - that seemed to help diminish the number of attacks and intensity of attacks, but it was really hard on his digestive system (as was the caffeine).  

In the fall of 2006, he tried busting with shrooms and RC seeds.  It seemed to work at first.  He actually had a pain free week.  He continued to try busting through February 2007, but it helped less and less after the first trip.

Out of desperation, he turned to narcotics in August 2007.  They bought him some much needed relief.

But (obviously) they're not really working any more and now he's just addicted, and he wants off.  But the rebound attacks are so bad, we decided to get something rolling before he detoxes.

Now that everything's arrived, here's the plan (and it includes stuff to deal with his gastro/IBS problem):

Align Probiotic by P&G

300mg Rhodiola 3x per day - morning, afternoon, evening.  I got TerraCeutics Rhodiola - it is chocolate brown.

TerraCeutics' "MegaMune" - three capsules all at night.  This amount contains:

500mg graviola extract
300mg Humic & Fulvic acid
300mg Rhodiola Rosea
250mg Agaricus extract
250mg Corolus Versicolor extract
100mg ginseng extract (80% ginenosides)
100mg Beta Glucan

Ginger Root - 1.1mg in two capsules, one taken with lunch, one taken with dinner

Solgar's Magnesium-Calcium 2:1, 1 tablets with each meal (3 tablets has 300mg calcium and 600mg magnesium)

A "stress forumula" multi-vitamin, heavy in the Bs, required 2x per day, so once at breakfast and the other with the SleepMedic.

TerraCeutics' SleepMedic, 2 capsules 1 hour before bedtime, which has:

250mg magnesium
150mg Gaba
100mg valerian root
100mg inositol
25mg Passion Flower
25mg Hops
100mg Lemon Balm
100mg L-Theanine
50mg B6
25mg 5HTP
1mg Melatonin

And 2 5mg Melatonin tablets.

We're also both taking 2 oz. of Acai juice with Blueberry and Raspberry in the morning and afternoon.

He's agreed to give it 7 months.

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So his total Rhodiola Rosea will be 1.2g
His total Melatonin will be 11mg
His total Magnesium will be 850mg

We've run this by our GP, who's OK with it all.  However, he did refer us to a nutritionist that is an MD, and we're seeing him next week.  

Gary started this regimen 2 days ago.

He's also going to see a therapist for stress management - and hopefully get his PTSD treated as well.

Laurie


Now that there is a lot of shit.

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Pain Management doc STARTED him at 75mcg/hour fentanyl patch and 600mcg fentora 4x/day.  He switched to actiq (also fentanyl buccal) the next month.  Now he's on 25mcg/hour patch and 8mg dilaudid 4x/day.  This has been the mix since Jan or Feb -


Holy Shit !!!!!!!!   Add this to the list of the other stuff he swallowing...I'm surprised he's not dead.  And a temp. of 107  should have had him in convulsions. 

Good grief...Can you get him to another Dr. ....like FAST?
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Linda_Howell wrote on Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:12pm:
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Pain Management doc STARTED him at 75mcg/hour fentanyl patch and 600mcg fentora 4x/day.  He switched to actiq (also fentanyl buccal) the next month.  Now he's on 25mcg/hour patch and 8mg dilaudid 4x/day.  This has been the mix since Jan or Feb -


Holy Shit !!!!!!!!   Add this to the list of the other stuff he swallowing...I'm surprised he's not dead.  And a temp. of 107  should have had him in convulsions.  

Good grief...Can you get him to another Dr. ....like FAST?
  If this post is for real this guy won't go .  He's a junkie.  8mg of Dilaudid a day for a year.  Yep junkie.

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Potter wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 10:13am:
Linda_Howell wrote on Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:12pm:
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Pain Management doc STARTED him at 75mcg/hour fentanyl patch and 600mcg fentora 4x/day.  He switched to actiq (also fentanyl buccal) the next month.  Now he's on 25mcg/hour patch and 8mg dilaudid 4x/day.  This has been the mix since Jan or Feb -


Holy Shit !!!!!!!!   Add this to the list of the other stuff he swallowing...I'm surprised he's not dead.  And a temp. of 107  should have had him in convulsions.  

Good grief...Can you get him to another Dr. ....like FAST?
 If this post is for real this guy won't go .  He's a junkie.  8mg of Dilaudid a day for a year.  Yep junkie.

                   Potter

Not to hammer on a fine point, but I think it's 8mg of dilaudid 4x a day for a year.
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Potter wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 10:13am:
Linda_Howell wrote on Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:12pm:
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Pain Management doc STARTED him at 75mcg/hour fentanyl patch and 600mcg fentora 4x/day.  He switched to actiq (also fentanyl buccal) the next month.  Now he's on 25mcg/hour patch and 8mg dilaudid 4x/day.  This has been the mix since Jan or Feb -


Holy Shit !!!!!!!!   Add this to the list of the other stuff he swallowing...I'm surprised he's not dead.  And a temp. of 107  should have had him in convulsions.  

Good grief...Can you get him to another Dr. ....like FAST?
 If this post is for real this guy won't go .  He's a junkie.  8mg of Dilaudid a day for a year.  Yep junkie.

                   Potter

Not to hammer on a fine point, but I think it's 8mg of dilaudid 4x a day for a year.


   Holy shit Brewman. I been a D junkie once in my life and that amount would keep ya so fucked up ya couldn't find yer ass with both hands.  I reread the whole post and I'm real skeptical.

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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 4:28pm
 
I was just surfing when this thread caught my attention. Now I am no expert, but, isnt 8mg's of dilaudid about the same as one half a grain of morphine??? If so,,,, wow!!!!!!!! This guy either has one HELL of tolerance built up, or, a doctor who is script happy for sure, or, you guys are right,,,,, junkie!  Just my opinion,  and you know what they say about opinions.  Tuck
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Good thing you're not on it anymore. Wink
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I gotta correct myself from my previous post. 8 mg's TIMES 4 times a day would be the same as a half a grain of morph. is that correct?????
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Good thing you're not on it anymore. Wink


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Reply #16 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 5:24pm
 
I really don't care if you want to categorize him as a junkie or not.  He is not working with a scrip happy pain management doctor.  The guy is a very reputable doc and has been rated as the best doc in this field on the state's lists of top docs numerous years in his 20+ years of practice.

Some of you are familiar with Gary's background if you've read my posts dating back to August of 2006.  The man needed a break, and for him the narcotics have provided that.  I'm glad he's still alive.

I'm also glad that none of you posting have felt you had to resort to this.  Others of you have, and thank you for contacting me via PM.

It's horrible to be in a position that you would make this decision.  Fortunately, Gary handles it well, and he is perfectly capable of locating his ass - with one or two hands.

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We've stopped the supplements (other than the 2:1 Magnesium/Calcium).

Now he's hypothermic, though not dangerously so (96.8).

Thank you to those of you who have actually responded to the question.

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Reply #17 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 5:34pm
 
And thank you for your concern.  We did see Gary's GP the following morning though I didn't mention it in my initial post.  Just in case you remain concerned, our GP is aware of everything Gary is taking (we ran the supplement list by him prior to beginning the regimen).  Though we're still not sure any of the supplements were causing the problem, he agreed with us that it was a good idea to stop the supplements until we see the nutritionist (who is an MD) Monday afternoon.

In case something like this does happen to any of you, the GP (a Harvard grad, so not some slouch) said that if this happens again, if his temp is over 105 for more than an hour to get to the hospital, otherwise just work to break the fever.

Laurie

P.S.  I'm sorry I didn't provide all the details in my first post.  I'm not sure some of you noticed, but I wasn't asking for advice on what to do because he was experiencing large swings in his internal body temperature....and the event had already happened, it was not occurring at the time - and we'd already seen his doctor.  I was asking if any one else has experienced this.   Thx
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Garys_Girl wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 5:24pm:
...dating back to August of 2006.  The man needed a break, and for him the narcotics have provided that.  I'm glad he's still alive.

I'm glad he's still alive, too. But a two-year break provided by narcotics? That doesn't sound like the supervision of a responsible doctor.
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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2008 at 6:46pm
 
I don't know where you got the impression it's two years - I joined in August 2006 when we finally figured out he has clusters.  This site walked us through many medications.  He's been chronic since March 2006.  When nothing worked, including busting, he turned to pain management at the advice of his last neurologist.  This was after the DHE drip in June, and trying traditional preventatives and abortives for another few months while vomiting his guts out in addition to the attacks.

So yes, this form of dealing with - or not dealing with - the pain is from the end of last year.  Yes, a long time.  Yes, the drugs are addictive.  But I credit him for wanting to get off, and for continuing to seek alternatives. 

As people here who support me point out, I can stock the arsenal of information, not make the decisions.

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You mentioned somewhere recently that gary is addicted to narcotics  and are attempting to detox.


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So yes, this form of dealing with - or not dealing with - the pain is from the end of last year.  Yes, a long time.  Yes, the drugs are addictive.


Laurie..Gary is a grown man and should be able to decide for himself what treatment to use.  He CHOOSES to use narcotics and is now addicted.  Stop enableling him, making excuses, etc.  Almost everyone here can see what he's doing as a "NOT VERY GOOD THING"   (and can be life threatening)  People come here for support and info...It seems like you're just coming here for validation.   If I'm wrong...tell Gary to introduce himself and ask the questions here.


To answer your original question which several have already answered...A slight elevation in body temp...of course.  107 degrees....no way.

I'm done here.   Roll Eyes
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Garys_Girl wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 6:46pm:
I don't know where you got the impression it's two years...

Here:

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Some of you are familiar with Gary's background if you've read my posts dating back to August of 2006.


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Linda_Howell wrote on Aug 6th, 2008 at 7:49pm:
I'm done here.   Roll Eyes

Me too, Linda.

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Me too, Linda.

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When the body core temperature reaches 105° F or higher, heat exhaustion followed by heat stroke or hyperthermia (also known as hyperpyrexia) can occur, especially where dehydration (in which case the body can not produce enough sweat to sufficiently cool down) also is present. Additionally, the use of some drugs — Ecstasy (MDMA, also called E, X or XTC), for example — can cause body temperature to rise to dangerously high levels.
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