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Reply #575 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:01am
 
Thanks Peter.  I've been taking a 15mg Zinc oxide supplement but was thinking I might not need it.
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Reply #576 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 3:49am
 
Slacker,

Were you taking it for a particular reason?

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Reply #577 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 3:59am
 
Peter510 wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 3:49am:
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Were you taking it for a particular reason?

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I just thought the 11mg of Zinc in the Mature Multi might not have been enough.
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Reply #578 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 6:56am
 
Well, it won't do you any harm.

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Reply #579 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 8:18am
 
Hey Slacker,
Batch recommends 10 mg of Zinc, so you' re good with the multi.
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Reply #581 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 10:34am
 
Another D3 success story! Hi everyone, wanted to give an update and a D3 success story to give others hope. My last cycle was 2 years ago (Sept 2014), that's when I first learned of Batch's regimen. At that time I started popping D3 like crazy but it didn't seem to help me. It was very frustrating but I battled through my typical cycle. For me, the beast hits every 2 years and lasts about 5-6 weeks. Since that last cycle I have taken 10,000 IU's of D3 everyday. I hoped and prayed it would do the trick and I wouldn't get hit this year. Unfortunately, a few weeks ago I started to get the tell tale shadows. This time I was going to get some facts and arm myself with everything possible to head into battle. My neuro, as usual, is of no help and couldn't get me in for 3 months. I made an appointment with my GP instead. I obtained prescriptions for oxygen, verapamil, prednisone, zomig spray, and maxalt. I also asked for a D3 test. I started the verapamil a little over a week ago (has never really helped but I feel helpless doing nothing). Got the oxygen tank on Friday and was ready to put it to use over the weekend. And then...barely any shadows. I think my cycle is ending, normally I would be in the thick of it with another 3 weeks to go. My lab results came back today...D3 is at 132. Just before my last cycle 2 years ago it was 32 and it was 19 the year before that. I am 48 years old and these things started when I was 12. I have lots of experience dealing with these things and nothing has busted a cycle for me, ever. Based on how I am feeling this cycle will be less than 2 weeks total, with only a few days of kip 7-8's. The only thing different is the D3. It works. It may not get rid of them completely but it sure did shorten my cycle and the intensity of the attacks. Peace and love to all of you!
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Reply #582 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 1:50pm
 
After 3 days pain free, I was woken up last night with a cluster headache. I thought Benadryl was all it took and I think it has really helped.

I think it may of happened because:
1. I went to sleep hungry.
2. I lowered my vitamin D from 20000 IU to 10000 IU because my loading period was over.
3. Greek Yogurt was the only thing i ate different from what I normally eat?

Any suggestions welcome. Thanks!
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Reply #583 - Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm
 
Kutsuki,

Your last mention of your 25 (OH) D was 44 ngl, if I'm not mistaken. Your target is to get to 80.

Can you get tested again to see where you are now?

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Reply #584 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 11:08am
 
Hi everyone
I am in second week of my loading schedule now, 40,000 D3, Mag, Multi Vit, and K2 in the recommended doses. I have also got some B50 complex in the US which suits me better and I am taking that (it has made my urine a bright yellow color but I suppose that is OK). I have also got some Benedryl  because as soon as I landed in the US I could feel my eyes getting itchy and my nose running and I am taking 2 per day, 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening.
I will probably drop the Benedryl at the weekend when I return to Romania and also drop the D3 to the normal 10,000 UI dose
I am not totally pain free but my CHs are limited to 1 kip 4-5 in the night around midnight that only lasts 10 minutes and some mild shadows during the day.
This is a massive improvement on my normal cycle, normally I would be hit with multiple kip 8 / 9s during the night and a couple during the day for 6 - 7 weeks
I am sure the D3 has made this difference, and although I was hoping for completely PF it has made my cycle manageable and I have been able to live a relatively normal life.
I am hoping that it will also help to shorten my cycle from the normal 6-7 weeks but we will see.

I have 1 question which is sort of related, I have been looking on the OUCH UK website and the moderators and admin on that site seem very reluctant to allow people on that forum to promote or share information on the D3 regime, they post disclaimers and even  shut down threads very quickly if someone mentions it. I can understand their reluctance to allow discussions on bustin due to the laws in the UK and their registered charity status but I don't understand the reluctance to discuss D3, it is a natural and safe method that seems to have helped a lot of people including me.
I think they do good work over there especially with advice on how to get o2 on the NHS etc but why are they so closed to the D3 regime?
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Reply #585 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
Gaz,

Great news on your improvement. Remember that it has only been 2 weeks, so there should be even better to come.

The reason that OUCH UK, of which I have been a member for years, does'nt encourage discussion on D3 is the fear that they might be accused of endorsing a "non-mainstream" method of treatment, which could lead to a law suit. As I understand it, as a registered charity they receive some government funding, and consequently are understandably cautious.

I agree, they do excellent work.

This site is privately run site and therefore has much more freedom to allow debates on any subject, as there is no editorial comment made on behalf of the site itself.

Batch has published his own disclaimer and most commentators here will advise that you should always work with their Doctor in relation to the D3 Regimen.

On that note, you should have your D serum (25 OH D) checked now, and in 2 weeks time, to establish where your levels are. Your target is 80 ng/ml or 200 nmol/L, depending on what scale is used in the country you're being tested.

A daily maintenance dose of 10,000 iu is usually enough to keep your levels at the target level.

Another point, I note you do not mention Omega 3 in the list of cofactors you're taking???????

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Reply #586 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 1:13pm
 
Peter510 wrote on Sep 1st, 2016 at 12:05pm:
Gaz,

Great news on your improvement. Remember that it has only been 2 weeks, so there should be even better to come.

The reason that OUCH UK, of which I have been a member for years, does'nt encourage discussion on D3 is the fear that they might be accused of endorsing a "non-mainstream" method of treatment, which could lead to a law suit. As I understand it, as a registered charity they receive some government funding, and consequently are understandably cautious.

I agree, they do excellent work.

This site is privately run site and therefore has much more freedom to allow debates on any subject, as there is no editorial comment made on behalf of the site itself.

Batch has published his own disclaimer and most commentators here will advise that you should always work with their Doctor in relation to the D3 Regimen.

On that note, you should have your D serum (25 OH D) checked now, and in 2 weeks time, to establish where your levels are. Your target is 80 ng/ml or 200 nmol/L, depending on what scale is used in the country you're being tested.

A daily maintenance dose of 10,000 iu is usually enough to keep your levels at the target level.

Another point, I note you do not mention Omega 3 in the list of cofactors you're taking???????

Best regards,

Peter.


Thanks Peter
I missed mentioning the Omega 3, I am taking 2 x 1000mg tablets of fish oil.
I will get my D serum checked when I get back to Romania so I can where I sit and then I can make any adjustments required.
Hopefully I can get pain free in the next couple of weeks


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Reply #587 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 6:01pm
 
Peter510 wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
Kutsuki,

Your last mention of your 25 (OH) D was 44 ngl, if I'm not mistaken. Your target is to get to 80.

Can you get tested again to see where you are now?

Peter.


I have my O2 test scheduled. I have been getting headaches every 3rd morning now which is a lot better than once a day so I think I'm close to the therapeutic zone.

Currently, I am taking 10000 IU D3, Kirkland Mature Multi, 400 Magnesium Malate, and the fish oils. I will bump the Vitamin D3 to 20000 IU again for a week to see if it makes a difference.

I think the week of Benadryl made a huge difference, Thanks again
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Reply #588 - Sep 1st, 2016 at 6:18pm
 
Kutsuki,

That's is a great improvement. What about the Vitamin K2 ???

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valerie_d wrote on Aug 29th, 2016 at 10:34am:
And then...barely any shadows. I think my cycle is ending, normally I would be in the thick of it with another 3 weeks to go. My lab results came back today...D3 is at 132. Just before my last cycle 2 years ago it was 32 and it was 19 the year before that. I am 48 years old and these things started when I was 12. I have lots of experience dealing with these things and nothing has busted a cycle for me, ever. Based on how I am feeling this cycle will be less than 2 weeks total, with only a few days of kip 7-8's. The only thing different is the D3. It works. It may not get rid of them completely but it sure did shorten my cycle and the intensity of the attacks. Peace and love to all of you!


Valerie...this is wonderful to hear, and I hope things are still improving. Two years is a long time to wait to see if the D3 would work. Your patience seems to have paid off.  I have also found that staying on the regimen year round has other anti-inflammatory benefits. I hope this is also the case for you. At any rate, thanks for the feedback. I love hearing success stories!

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Reply #590 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 3:14am
 
Gaz Jones wrote on Sep 1st, 2016 at 11:08am:
I have also got some B50 complex in the US which suits me better and I am taking that (it has made my urine a bright yellow color but I suppose that is OK).


Totally normal, but quite surprising when you see it. It'll return to "normal" fairly quickly once you stop taking the B50.
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Reply #591 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 10:23am
 
Peter510 wrote on Sep 1st, 2016 at 6:18pm:
Kutsuki,

That's is a great improvement. What about the Vitamin K2 ???

Best,

Peter.


I thought K2 was included in the Kirkland Mature Multi?
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Reply #592 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 10:56am
 
Good morning

The vitamin K2 with both MK4 @ 1000 mcg a day and MK7 @ 200 mcg a day. These are not in the multi vitamin. I hope this helps

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Reply #593 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 12:17pm
 
See part 2 of Batch's latest update on the D3 Regimen. In particular the photograph showing the recommended ingredients.

If you move the picture to the left you will see the Vitamin K2 as one of the cofactors additional to the multi vitamin.

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Reply #594 - Sep 2nd, 2016 at 12:23pm
 
BATCH, hope you're around and would really like your input.

I had an 8 week cycle earlier this year (April-May), then after 9 PF weeks went back into cycle, which never happened before.

The first cycle was long but really easy. The regimen worked nicely, with very modest help from Imitrex and Amitriptyline. I also took L-Cysteine which seemed to help last year. Overall, I was 90% PF.

In the second cycle things have changed completely, and this is the hardest cycle I had in years. I had my OH(25)D checked 2 weeks ago and got 91ng/ml. Nevertheless, I upped my daily D3 dose to 20K for a week and than got back to 10K. I also started taking B complex and 50mg diphenhydramine a day and when this didn't help to prevent my nocturnal hits I added Melatonin, after which I get hit only once in every 3 nights or so.

But I'm still getting 1-3 very aggressive attacks a day. O2 and Imitrex abort them but takes much more time than in my previous 3 cycles (10-15 minutes instead of 2-6).

Any thoughts?

p.s. In this point I decided to increase my Magnesium intake from 400mg to 600mg. I think it makes sense because of all the D3 cofactors it is
a) the only one that has a direct effect over CH (well established in studies)
b) the one being deficient of is the most probable (except maybe K2...)
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Reply #595 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Peter510 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2016 at 12:17pm:
See part 2 of Batch's latest update on the D3 Regimen. In particular the photograph showing the recommended ingredients.

If you move the picture to the left you will see the Vitamin K2 as one of the cofactors additional to the multi vitamin.

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I will add the K2 thanks, I feel I am having a similar issue as Shooky. Last night, I had one of the worst headaches in this episode.
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Reply #596 - Sep 4th, 2016 at 10:11am
 
hi, this is the Vit K that Batch recommends, It contains all the different  elements of K vits we need. 1/day with the rest of the regimen. It is important to take the right one and at the right amounts so as to ensure that the calcium doesn't go and lodge itself in our arteries and vein but goes and deposits itself on our bones where it should go.

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Reply #597 - Sep 4th, 2016 at 7:27pm
 
Thanks thierry. I'm using another K2 product but I'm whiling to try everything so I just ordered this one as well.

I'm not sure that's gonna change much though (Kutsuki, pay attention). As I understand it, the role of the K2 in the regimen is to assure bone mineral density and reduce arterial calcification. I can see how this may be important for making long term use of the regimen more healthy, but I don't think it should make the regimen more effective in the short run.
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Reply #598 - Sep 9th, 2016 at 9:58pm
 
Hey Shooky,

Sorry to be so slow in responding...  Just got home last night from a two-week fishing trip to Alaska.

I know what you're going through.  Although it appears you're doing everything right with respect to the anti-inflammatory regimen supplements you might try increasing the vitamin D3 and Diphenhydramine doses as you'll see below. 

A little over a week ago I got full of myself and decided to pull one of my 25(OH)D burn down tests by stopping vitamin D3 to see how long it would take to get hit.  I'm a chronic CHer and this usually takes a week before I get hit...  This time it was different... I got hit with a Kip-4 two nights later.

The CH hit came at night while sleeping, so I took a 50,000 IU sublingual loading dose by popping the softgels between my back teeth and swirled the contents under my tongue and kept them there until completely dissolved.  15 minutes later the pain was gone so I went back to sleep with no further hits that night.

The next day I took 25,000 IU of vitamin D3 along and the rest of the cofactors with the evening meal then chewed up another 25,000 IU of vitamin D3 at bed time...  It didn't work.  I got hit with another Kip-4 around 1 am so chewed up another 25,000 IU of vitamin D3.  The pain cleared in five minutes so I went back to bed and slept pain free the rest of the night.

I repeated the dosing scheme the following night and got whacked again at 1 am.  At that point the light came on... an allergic reaction to something... and I wasn't drinking enough water so I took 50 mg of Diphenhydramine, downed two glasses of water, went back to bed and slept pain free the rest of the night.

By last Tuesday night I was taking 50,000 IU/day vitamin D3 (25,000 IU with the evening meal and 25,000 IU sublingual at bed time) and 100 mg of Diphenhydramine (50 mg with the evening meal, another 50 mg at bed time).  I also drank several glasses of water during the day and slept downstairs upright in a recliner.  I got hit that night at 1 am as usual, but it was so mild I didn't get up and went right back to sleep.  Same doses Wednesday night and another minor hit while sleeping.

I took the cofactors Thursday morning with breakfast but no vitamin D3 or Benadryl.  I got home around 8 PM last night and and was in bed by 9 PM.  I slept like a baby pain free for 12 hours with one obligatory pit stop around 2 am to drain the swamp...  I even took a one hour combat nap after lunch today... that's usually a sure invitation for the CH beast to jump ugly...  but it didn't..  I'm back on my maintenance dose of 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 plus the cofactors and will keep you posted if anything comes up.

So, as a recap, I'd up the Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) dose to 50 mg with the evening meal and another 50 mg at bed time.  Most dosing guides for Diphenhydramine list the adult do not exceed dose at 300 mg/24 hours.  I'd also drink plenty of water...  Shoot for at least 2 liters a day.

Bump the vitmain D3 up to 50,000 IU/day for a few days taking 25,000 IU and the rest of the cofactors with the evening mean and the last 25,000 IU sublingual at bed time. 

If that doesn't result in a favorable response after two days, sleep in a different room.  I know this sounds crazy... like my elevator doesn't go all the way to the top...  but it could be an allergen associated with the bedding or air conditioning...   

Mold spores can easily trigger an allergic response so check the filter in the air handler or window mounted air conditioner.   There's usually a drip pan under most refrigerators.  Spray it with a 50:50 mix of Clorox and water.

Finally, there's good old vitamin C.  I take a 1000 mg tablet every 2 to 3 hours for a total of 6000 mg/day if I suspect mold spores.

Hope all this helps.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #599 - Sep 12th, 2016 at 3:54am
 
Hi BATCH,

Thanks for your reply (and I think it's actually a good thing you have a life outside these forums...).

Unfortunately, I think it's too late for me this time to rely solely on the the regimen. Just had 6 ~KIP-8 hits in 16 ours the other day, after some 20 hits in the week before. Abort times with Imitrex and O2 also became significantly longer, from 2-5 minutes to 15-20 minutes.

So I went to my neurologist who prescribed a course of steroids + Verapamil and Naramig (which is supposed to be very efficient as a preventative due to it's long half life). I'm not too thrilled about it, but this would be the first time in 4 years that I had to take steroids, so I guess I'm still pretty lucky and using the regimen still paid off and will probably continue to, just not with this horrible cycle.

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