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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #100 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 6:30pm » |
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on Feb 19th, 2005, 5:27pm, nani wrote:| I've looked at C.H.A.T.S and I must be a log in 'tard...cause I can't get anywhere with it. Is there something similar available? Or can someone come up with something like it? |
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I have CHATS probs too......probably some glitch somewhere in a whole BUNCH of programming. It's a fantastic idea, I support it wholeheartedly, and salute Grant and Dan for attempting to put it together.
This Kudzu thing is just getting off the ground. It doesn't justify the time and effort to make a CHATS style program to correlate info.....not just yet.
I'm harping on us all taking the exact same product in the exact same dosage . We're totally unequipped to do a double blind study, but there's no reason to head into this doing a totally blind study. We NEED some degree of consistency.
Sorry if I sound grumpy. Some Tums, a squirt of Preperation H, and all will be right with the world.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #101 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 6:39pm » |
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Darling Randy...
http://www.iherb.com/kudzu1.html
this is the formula that nani is using, and that I ordered. if we really want to put the test to it, then I think we can all afford 12 bucks...hell we spend less than that at a night at the movies.
I looked locally and not one vitamin/healthfood store around ever heard of the stuff, let alone had in on the shelves for sale.
Lets try this...see if there are differences in doses needed, just like in other traditional meds. Adjust as needed till it's a bust or there is releif.
What say you all? I tend to think that using it as an abortive is a bit too late, but preventive is the way to go.
And damn that Ozzy anyway, 3am is my time slot... 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #102 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 7:00pm » |
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I'll gladly order a dozen jars of http://www.iherb.com/kudzu1.html and make sure attendant detainees take as directed. With no criticism intended, that is quite a blend of stuff, tho.....not just pure Kudzu. Praise Wotan there's no Ylang Ylang in the mix.
I'm taking a research break for the rest of the weekend, and waiting for a Viagra window of opportunity. Let Floridian handle the rest of the details. At least his car tires aren't frozen into the snow covered mud.
Ozzy's a PITA on a good day,
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #103 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 7:09pm » |
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So can we agree to at least keep some kind of record on our own. Like a HA diary, but with everything else that's applicable. What kudzu we're taking, others herbs, supplements, normal prevents, any hits/shadows, any other positive or negative effects.
(I'm still in a great mood, but that could be the B complex). We can continue to post our successes/failures here, also, to give others a chance to see it. 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #104 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 7:19pm » |
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This is still a viable option too....  
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #105 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 12:42am » |
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hm i got hit one more time today.. I wonder what happened yesterday to give me a pain free day. 
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« Reply #107 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 9:11am » |
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OK Nani ,I've been reading all thru this thread about the Kudzu.I have researched it before and one of the things I've come across is that dosage is according to a persons weight.Do you have any info on that? I'm willing to try anything once and have just about done that.But after work today I might have to stop by the local health food store and see if they have what I need.I see that it comes with different additives.Do the ones mentioned with B-12 seem to work better? David
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #109 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 10:08am » |
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I had been reading this thred as well and after a very mild hit on Friday afternoon, I stopped at a vitamin world and picked up some of the natures way kudzu.
I am on a LOT of stuff right now, all natrual and have been extremely strict in diet and lots and lots of water, but I have not gotten a hit since I started the kudzu.
I have had some feelings is the best way I can describe it that the monster is still lurking, i feel a very very light pressure in my temple and over my eye (where my hits are) but they are very dull and cause me no problems at all. They tend to last about the amount of time a cluster would last.
Not sure exactly what is working, but whatever it is, I am not abou to stop.
I have been taking the following:
Kudzu 3 times per day 2 pills each time.
B-complex
Chelated calcium magnesium
ginko biloba
garlic/paresely
coenzyme q10
My diet has consisted of nothing but plain chicken breast, fennel (sp?), pineaple, white rice, eggs, broccoli, almonds and tons and tons of water.
Before bed I have been taking 4 benadryl and purposely wake up at around 3 to take 2 more benadryl. Based on the theory of not going into any REM's, as I was getting hit bad every night around 2am.
Before my mild hit on friday, I had not had one in about 36 hours, so I dont have a huge timeframe to go on, but taking it day by day and close to 48 hours without any hit has be very nice.
I will continue to post my results either positive or negative.
GL everyone, Erik
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #110 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 10:26am » |
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I forgot to say that I am taking 2 pills daily. One in the morning, one in the evening.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #111 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 11:36am » |
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Wow...it's nice to see so many coming on board. Here's hoping we all find lasting relief. David, I haven't done much research myself, so I really don't know about dosage and weight. Perhaps the clerk at the store will have info. Or someone here? Here's to many PF days!!! love, nani
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #112 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 12:37pm » |
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A quick look at the three brands mentioned - Solaray, Nature's Way, and Planetary Formulas show all 3 to be pretty much in the same ballpark. Solaris has twice the daidzin as Nature's Way per pill, but you only need one pill per dose, not two. Planetary Formulas doesn't list daidzin content, but is probably somewhere in between the other two. The prices listed on line are 1/2 that of my local Rip Off Health Store.
Let's keep up the recruiting to see if we have a boom or a bust. Can it get more interesting than this?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #113 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 2:21pm » |
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I am starting tomorrow but nervous, you said no trex shots, right?02 doesn't work good for me. Also how much is it by my weight or not? I already take b complex so what if it has it in it already, is that okay?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #114 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 3:35pm » |
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That is correct Cat...don't use trex...the research is that the kudzu works on the same receptors.
If you can possibly ride the hits out a few days before trying this I would certainly recommend that would be the best plan.
*note I am not a doctor*
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« Reply #115 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 3:45pm » |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #116 on: Feb 20th, 2005, 11:20pm » |
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Kudzu treatment working. Day 5 i report no pain all day. Slept through the night perfectly. god bless whoever found out about this nasty smelling crap 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #117 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 12:54am » |
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That's good news, shiraj! Day 16: Some trigeminal nerve activity, 1 tiny, shortlived shadow. I am on day two of decreased Neurontin. (about 2/3 my normal dose)
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #118 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:23am » |
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Here are some things that need to be kept track of so we can look into this a little further:
Episodic or Chronic
Male or Female
Age
What other meds are you taking?
Are you taking kudzu blend, or pure kudzu?
What dose are you taking? How often?
What was the pattern of your headaches before you started the kudzu?
What is the pattern of your headaches now?
For the females, I'd be interested in knowing how many of you are menopausal (herbals have a different impact on menopausal women)
I'm off to get me some kudzu and see how well it controls the mild shadows that are around and see if it works to kill the migraines that cohabitate with my clusters. (oops I said the M word )
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #119 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:08am » |
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Update:
Today will be day 5. I have to say that the last 3 days have been pretty damn good. My head hasn't felt that good for a while. I haven't had that much sleep for the same while. I get migraine pain as well (intense dual sided headache in forehead/temple, not centred in eye), and that has decreased significantly. No real shadows or clusters to speak of.
Until last night. Minor shadow as I went to bed, though I was able to go to sleep. This morning I woke up with a minor, though frustrating, cluster. Note that it did not wake me up, as they normally do. I woke up, and it was there.
I am nervous about getting anybody's hopes up. On the other hand, I ain't gonna stop taking it - I feel pretty good.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #120 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 9:51am » |
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Hello all, been on vacation, nice and sunny over here. So just before we hit the pool and the beach here is my mini report:
(I haven't read all the messages so this might be redundant)
This is week 2 of Kudzu, increased it again to 2 (150 mg) capsules, the manufacturer is Nature's Plus.
I also take 3 mg of Melatonin at night.
Stopped the melatonin for two days, had a couple of drinks and then at 3:00 am, got hit. Took two capsules as a possible abortive. Didn't work. Had to wait it out.
Since then, I've had nothing. It seems that there is potential for shadows though. Shadows for me come at night and as I wake up (normal times for when I take the kudzu) so after taking the kudzu, shadows dissapear for the most part.
So far so good.
Will report more when I get back from vacation.
It's niiice over here.....
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #121 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 9:58am » |
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This is good news Casey and Oz!
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Chronic (with severe episodes) 47 Female
360 mgs Verap, 150mgs lithium, 900mgs Neurontin (down from 1200mgs)
Taking a kudzu blend
I've never had a real "pattern" HAs came and went at will, except rarely at night. My normal was about 4-6 hours of intermittant shadows and 4-5 hits a day (generally below k7)
Since starting: no hits, some trigeminal nerve activity (no pain) and maybe 2 15 minute shadows ( k .5 - k1) a day.
I am menopausal, but not using any HRT right now.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #122 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 10:52am » |
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Erik
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Episodes every 5 years
Natures Way, 2 pills, 3 times per day.
Originally always got hit 2am and 3PM
Also taking B-Complex and some other supplements
I started Friday afternoon and had zero hits until last night. Was over 48 hours without a hit, but had felt activity in the temple and above eye, but no actual hits in that time perriod.
Around 8:00 PM last night I got one, nothing at my usual time, but it did definately come on. It was about a 6 which was manageable, but the thing that was interesting was I was able to get rid of it qucik, 15 min. without any drugs at all. I ran up and down my steps till I could not do it anymore, followed by a glass of water and ice on back of head and neck. Went away but still felt the activity.
Then, out of nowhere it came back at 9:30, again went away within 15 min. Getting rid of these quick is not normal for me, they usually last a long time, at least an hour.
I take the kudzu at 9am, 1PM and 10PM.
After the second one last night I thought I was in for a very rough night as I felt the activity. Took the kudzu around 10, and took my usual benedryl before bed.
Woke up around 2:30 to go to the bathroom, more benadryl, no hits last night.
I feel pretty good today so far, definately feel the activity, but not as much as last night. We will see how it goes. The hits have been less frequent, and not as intense, and went away fairly easily.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #123 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:17pm » |
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Unfortunately, I just got hit with my usual 3:00 hit. 
Fortunately, I am finding a way to deal with them, but that is not for this thread.
I will keep updating my status as I am taking the kadzu and have already taken it twice today.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #124 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:20pm » |
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Eric...how many mgs are you taking? I'm taking 750 mgs twice a day (1500mgs total)
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