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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #125 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:29pm » |
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on Feb 21st, 2005, 3:20pm, nani wrote:Eric...how many mgs are you taking? I'm taking 750 mgs twice a day (1500mgs total)
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I am taking the Natures Way which I believe to be 150mg per dosage (I dont have the bottle in front of me), of which I am taking 3 times per day. If I am right, I am only taking 450mg per day, may not be enough.
I way over 210 so I may need much much more.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #126 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:34pm » |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #127 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 4:55pm » |
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ErikY: yeah try upping your dose.I weigh around 175 and I was taking only 1 750 mg dose for the first 2 days and it didnt do much. I pound down 2 of those stinky bad boys now every day and night and i feel great. Forget those 150 mg pills get the big ones from planetary formulas.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #128 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 4:57pm » |
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I think I was mistaken, I think they are actually 613 mg. I looked at the post someone else had put up about the natures way and it says 613.
If so, That is a lot to take 3 times per day.
Have to check out the other brand.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #129 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 5:03pm » |
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Nature's WayTM has "certified" 613 mg/cap. The jar recommends 2 caps 3X daily...... 3678 mg/ 6 mg Daidzin per day. Not sure how they mix this stuff. That may be the equivalent of gnawing 4 lbs of root hourly, or 1 tablespoon gnawed twice daily, or something. This is all still pretty much a crap shoot.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #130 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 11:28pm » |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #131 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:21am » |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #132 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:20am » |
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Well, what can I say? I got greedy. My own fault. Had a beer last night. It was good. But I woke up this morning with a hit. It hurt. Couldn't sleep. Why couldn't I leave well enough alone? I had to tempt the Kudzu...
Hopeful I will get back on track very soon.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #133 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:04am » |
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Interesting thread.
Been shadowing lots lately, so ordered two bottles of Natures Way brand from vitacost.com for $16.45 shipped.
Vig already has his car loaded up with a shipment for the frozen north...
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #134 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:20am » |
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It even stripped off the blue paint...that be some strong medicine..
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #135 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:49am » |
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ROTFL Rock! 
I woke up with a K4 shadow this morning and started thinking it was all too good to be true. 
It lasted 5 minutes! 
Sorry, Casey... I hope you're relief gets back on track ASAP.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #136 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 9:22am » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:04am, Rock_Lobster wrote:Been shadowing lots lately, so ordered two bottles of Natures Way brand from vitacost.com for $16.45 shipped.
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Wow thanks for that site Rock...ordered from there much cheaper than UK rates even including shipping! (You can be my hero for today!! 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #137 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:00am » |
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I'd really like to try this out at the moment. Trouble is I am using 2 to 3 Imigran 20mg nasal sprays a day and 160mg per verapimil. If can get on to O2 then I guess I could give it a go. We have Chinese herbalists locally so I am sure I could obtain it relatively easily.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #138 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:19am » |
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I had been only on O2 and my prevents (Zonegran at night) and I got some Kudzu and got to try it for only one full day and night before I had to go for the Maxalt....It was my own fault....my O2 ran out and my 3 nightly hits were too much for me to handle with showers and ice......so I took a Maxalt....crap.....I want to keep trying the Kudzu.....BUT.....Can I??????
I had just one Maxalt at around 3:30am.....
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #139 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 9:52am » |
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Karen and Ellick, I think the advice to not use kudzu and triptans is based on the fact that kudzu has triptan like effects on your body (and brain). I still would not suggest that you do that. If you could tough it out long enough to get the triptans out of your system and start kudzu as a prevent, I think you would find it helpful. I have no idea what the half life of the triptan drugs are, or how long before they're gone...perhaps a call to the pharmacy would tell you?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #140 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 11:42am » |
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This whole issue of standardization and some brands having more or less daidzen is a problem.
In my case with only 300 mg of concentrated root extract. Each capsule: 150 mg. / 1.5% Daizen, 0.95% Daidzen, I may be taking less than most.
The results so far, I think it is worth considering and that individuals may adjust their doses up or down until they get the desired results
Disclaimer: these statements are my personal opinion, I'm not a doctor, consult with your doctor before adding, reducing, or withdrawing from any medication.
Only shadows last night and this morning, but it may be due to change in weather, pressure (airplane) and sleep amount. I'm back from vacation, so my guess is that in a couple of days I should be back to "normal" .
It will be interesting to see late March when I go to Alaska....(may have to increase melatonin...or decrease it....hummmm)
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #141 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 4:42pm » |
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Nanni,
Thanks for the advice, I will certainly follow it. I hope to get 02, if it works I will try Kudzu and I will remember to check out how long it takes triptans to vanish.
I am really happy for you that Kudzu looks like it is working for you. I think true bliss is when you get relief from agony in all it's forms.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #142 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:25pm » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2005, 4:42pm, Ellick wrote:Nanni,
Thanks for the advice, I will certainly follow it. I hope to get 02, if it works I will try Kudzu and I will remember to check out how long it takes triptans to vanish.
I am really happy for you that Kudzu looks like it is working for you. I think true bliss is when you get relief from agony in all it's forms.
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I think you worded that backwards. 02 is a great abortive that will not interfer with the efficacy of kudzu should it work for you. Taking kudzu and the triptans at the same time is a no no. Reason being both chemicals work on the same receptors in much the same way. PLEASE don't get confused on what steps you should take. Like any other medication or treatment course, you MUST use them correctly to gain the benifits. Any other way you risk not only the failure of the medication, but could also risk your health.
*I'm not a doctor or medical professional, but this is standard knowlege, and good advice*
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #143 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:40pm » |
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Ditto....thanks for the info....If I hadn't run out of O2....I'd still be ok for the Kudzu....I have it....I guess I'll ask the pharmacist asap.....'cause I want to get back started experimenting on the KUDZU!!!!!
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #144 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 6:09pm » |
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I understand quite clearly not to take Triptan and Kudzu at the same time. I also understand that using 02 is ok with Kudzu.
I did not realise that I said this a way that looked opposite. I agreed with Nanni and said I would follow her advice.
Thankyou for checking it out with me. I know I have to be careful with the treatments and how they are mixed.
I currently use Sumatriptan nasal spray 2 to3 times a day and 160mg verapamil. I need to use the sumatriptan at the moment as I seem to be getting very quick onset and very intense pain within 10 minutes. I hope to replace the sumatritan with 0" (which I have'nt used before). I would only start using Kudzu if 02 gets me out of the deep pits and I am claer of any Triptans in my body.
I am grateful for your advice. Thankyou.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #145 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:43pm » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:25pm, Redd715 wrote:| Taking kudzu and the triptans at the same time is a no no. |
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Actually, there is NO Proof of anything....just possibili-tittes. There may or may not be an interference connection. I have no problem walking on the wild side when seeking a PF solution. Ain't telling anybody what to do, just stating my preferences. I love Beta testing, and I love O2.
Me and my damned short ECH cycles,
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #146 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:40pm » |
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on Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:43pm, Mr. Happy wrote:
Actually, there is NO Proof of anything....just possibili-tittes. There may or may not be an interference connection. I have no problem walking on the wild side when seeking a PF solution. Ain't telling anybody what to do, just stating my preferences. I love Beta testing, and I love O2.
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Ok RJ...possibili-whateveryousaids. Still I would tend to err on the side of caution, as we all are aware of the pitfals of mixing triptans. If the chemicals work the same receptors, the poskabilitees of adverse interaction would be my concern.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #147 on: Feb 24th, 2005, 12:19am » |
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OK.....It has been 20 hours since my last Maxalt......Maybe after a good night's sleep ......or not....at least aborting with O2.....I can start my Kudzu experiment again....
How many days before anyone noticed a difference????
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #148 on: Feb 24th, 2005, 12:47am » |
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Im still pain freeee! Btw i mixed triptans. I got a bad hit on the third day of kudzu so i took a 2mg shot of imitrex. I felt fine and i havent had a hit since then. I think this is day 8
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #149 on: Feb 24th, 2005, 12:53am » |
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That's great news Shiraj!! I was wondering about you today. Hope it keeps working!
Karen, I felt better the next day. I just shadowed some. The longer I've been on it, the shorter the shadows have been.
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