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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #200 on: Feb 26th, 2005, 5:05pm » |
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Checking in....
I had one more Cluster as usual (these days anyway...that's 3 per night) last night.....after my middle of the night check in....I abort with O2.....then I awoke and inhales some more O2 for a little shadow before I had an early appointment to keep.....sigh....wonder when I will get sleep....I took 600 mgs Kudzu again this am and will again this pm......and as suggested add some meletonin with it....I have put a timer by my bed so when I start sucking O2 I will wake up before I waste all the oxyen.....
Hopeing for some relief soon...You all are giving me hope....so I press on....what else can I do?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #201 on: Feb 26th, 2005, 5:39pm » |
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Karen, I also added B Complex 50 and magnesium at the same time I added the kudzu. Perhaps they will help?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #202 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 12:50am » |
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zu'ing the kud for two days now.
chowed on two capsules yesterday and one earlier today.
moderate shadow this PM. popped two zu's as soon as the tickle started. fine two hours later... which may be unique... my shadows tend to nibble on my skull for 6-8 hours usually. still aok... laid bait for the beast in the form of multiple tequila-based beverages... no sign.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #203 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 2:53am » |
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(1) Has naturally occuring Cluster Headaches NOT caused by surgerys, brain anurysyms, car wrecks and/or accidents etc. ?
Yeah got them starting when i was 14. No surgery or whatnot
(2) That ONLY gets Cluster Headaches and NOT Migraines, CPH, Icepicks and other types of headaches ?
Yeah only clusters here. I dont think ive ever had a regular
headache.
(3) That is Episodic and NOT Chronic ?
I didnt even know you could be chronic at this til i saw this site. I wish i could give chronics a medal or something.
(4) In the middle or PEAK of your cycle ?
Yeah i should be at the peak of mine right now.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #205 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 3:50pm » |
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Thanks Eddie....very interesting......It should also help with menopausal symptoms.....cool...thats just one more thing I'm going through....but nothing....absolutely nothing compared to the Clusters.....so I am still getting hit 3X per night....I added some magnesium that I found I had in my suppliment drawer....and some meletonin last night....at least I got some good sleep for the short hours I did get....and interesting dreams....
I guess it has been about 3 days this time around on the kudzu so far....waiting for some nitetime relief.....I take a good natural multivitamin as well.....so I get plenty of vitimins.
I think I take more meds than my husband now....which is remarkable....He is a kidney transplant patient and takes a bundle of pills both am and pm..... 
On with the experiment!
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #206 on: Feb 27th, 2005, 6:37pm » |
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Hmmm helps with menopausal symptoms?? Ok, where do I get a bottle? Even if it doesn't help with the clusters, I'll take it for hot flashes!
Guess I'm off to GNC in the morning.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #207 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 8:55am » |
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This is my 25th day without a hit. I was startled awake this morning and started to feel like a hit might be coming. I got really nervous...and just as quickly as I felt it might come on...it was gone. A 2 minute jab. Still shadowing ever so slightly. 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #208 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 9:27am » |
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Here is my report of my first weekend on “the root”. My Nature’s Way Kudzu Root extract arrived via UPS on Friday. Being mid-cycle, I thought it would be worth a go. My HA’s were being triggered this time from running/vigorous exercise. No middle of the night wake up calls in this cycle yet but I was seeing my cycle deepen in severity (had a true kip 10 on Wed of last week) and was walking around with a general shadow for a couple of days. I presently take no preventatives or abortives.
I took 2 caplets on Friday afternoon and then 2 more on Friday before bed. Had my first wake up in the middle night at 1:30 a.m. with a Kip 3. It was very brief, lasting only 30 minutes. Then another (about Kip 2) at about 4 a.m. This was definitely a change in cycle behavior for me. On the bright side these were among the lightest and shortest lived clusters I have had to date.
Took 2 caplets Saturday morning, two more at lunch and two more at dinner. Was a little tired so went to bed early Saturday. Woke up with HA (Kip 3) at 11:30 p.m. Took dog out in cold air and it was gone within 30 minutes. Slept rest of night.
Haven’t had vigorous exercise in three days. Also haven’t had a beer in three days. Kudzu Root is supposed to help with that also…. Apparently the Chinese used to use this for withdrawal symptoms from alcohol.
Sunday, took regimen of capsules, morning, lunch and dinner. No clusters Sunday night.
I know they are still in there. I can sense them lurking around in there but PF for Sunday.
Will keep you posted as I am going to yoga tonight to see how we do through exercise.
Have not felt any remarkable transformation as a result of taking it, but would recognize the change in cycle behavior and the shortened length and decreased intensity as possibly attributable. But, as you all know, who knows for sure? My cycles are often different from each other, my triggers are not always consistent, although my severity is rarely as light as the last couple days.
Initial judgement --- maybe, there's sumpin' different goin' on.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #209 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 9:41am » |
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regarding the price queries....
i found my supply of Nature's Way (50 capsules/613 mg) from www.good-earth.com for $8.61. This does not include shipping, and since I rushed them for shipment my cost was not reflective of their std. shipping charge.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #210 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 12:57pm » |
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Friday I got hit. Not major maybe a K5-6. Since then I have upped the kudzu to 600 mg daily (as opposed to 300). Shadows today, but they have vanished. Stilll going.....
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #211 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 5:09pm » |
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Started Kudzu evening of 2/24 - now in my 4th full day of doses - 2 613 mg caplets per dose - 6:00 am - lunch - before bed. I can honestly say - THIS IS GREAT!!!
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #212 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 5:13pm » |
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Sorry - must have hit wrong key or something - anyway - to continue. No major CH at all in the last two days. Teeny Tiny little hits now and then - shadows, etc. But what an improvement. I'm sold! I even had a beer yesterday (first one since this CH-- began), with no bad effects. Going to keep on going with this stuff.
How is everybody else doing???
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #213 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 6:04pm » |
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Kudzubusters.com?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #214 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 12:19am » |
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on Feb 28th, 2005, 6:04pm, Bob P wrote:
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End of Day 25: Due to a rodent sighting, a 1970s era malfunctioning smoke alarm that can't be unplugged and a very high strung child...last night was sensory hell for me. I awoke with an "almost" hit this morning and today has been my worst day so far. I shadowed slightly higher (k3) for slightly longer (45 mins each) more often ( probably 4 total shadows) today. I'm positive it has to do with the lack of sleep and adrenaline rush from the sensory overload. I have not taken any additional kudzu today, but will tomorrow if necessary. I am also down to 300 mgs of Neurontin a day (since yesterday) which is 1/6 th my prescribed dosage and 1/3 what I was taking when I started the kudzu.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #215 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 11:09am » |
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Day 5 on the "zu".
Was able to complete a full power yoga class, and run 5 miles within the last 24 hours without triggering. Didn't even have one last night in the middle of the night. One or the other should have triggered a CH, based on where I usually am in my cycle at this point.
Is it the Zu? Hell, I don't know. Something has definitely happened after I started taking it. The cycle was altered in some way -- you all know what I mean -- there is just something different going on, I can't really pin it down.
No side effects that I can tell.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #216 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 11:35am » |
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on Mar 1st, 2005, 12:19am, nani wrote:
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No, you won't find me on the kudzubusters website.
Maybe crazyforkudzu.com or cultofkudzu.org
Hope today goes better than yesterday, Nani.
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« Reply #217 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 12:19pm » |
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As some of you may have read on the general board, I just started taking the Zu. Planetary Formulas. The label reads, 750 mg, 120 tablets. "Botanical support for alcohol cessation."  Recommended dosage: 2 tabs T.I.D, between meals. Total daily dosage would be 2250 mg, then, right? Is this a high enough dose? The stuff cost me $20, but if it cost $50, I still would have bought it.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #218 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 12:34pm » |
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Well, crap...I just had someone who is not old read the small print on the bottle...750 mgs is one serving, which is 2 tablets.  DOH! I'm only taking 2 tablets a day, so in effect...I started taking 375 mgs a day and now take 750 mgs a day.
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« Reply #219 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 12:59pm » |
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the Natures Way are 613 mg per capsule -- but do have a serving size of 2 capsules, going on to describe the serving size as 1,226 mg. I have been taking 2 capsules per dose, 3 times daily -- so a total of 3,678 mg.
i did find that i had to get to the barber shop today, when I hadn't noticed my hair being that long a few days ago..... think i'm overzuing it?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
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on Mar 1st, 2005, 12:59pm, seasonalboomer wrote:the Natures Way are 613 mg per capsule -- but do have a serving size of 2 capsules, going on to describe the serving size as 1,226 mg. I have been taking 2 capsules per dose, 3 times daily -- so a total of 3,678 mg.
i did find that i had to get to the barber shop today, when I hadn't noticed my hair being that long a few days ago..... think i'm overzuing it? |
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That's hilarious! I just looked in the mirror last night and thought...damn, my hair needs cutting...already!
I don't even care if my lip gets hairy...I'll take relief and mustache waxing anytime.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #221 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 1:36pm » |
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on Mar 1st, 2005, 12:19pm, Frank_W wrote:As some of you may have read on the general board, I just started taking the Zu. Planetary Formulas. The label reads, 750 mg, 120 tablets. "Botanical support for alcohol cessation." Recommended dosage: 2 tabs T.I.D, between meals. Total daily dosage would be 2250 mg, then, right? Is this a high enough dose? The stuff cost me $20, but if it cost $50, I still would have bought it.
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Frank (and others) - I have questions about the whole dosage thing. I posted the following on the survey thread:
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One thing that raises a question for me is the dosage. Some people here have posted that they take a blend which is like 750 mgs. Mine say Kudzu extract, 150mg, 2% daidzin. On the back of the bottle it lists Kudzu root - 165mg; Kudzu root extract 150mg, of which is guaranteed 2% daidzin. When asking about the dosage, is it more accurate to ask about the "active" ingredients? I wonder because I have found significant relief with this mixture, which could be construed as a much smaller dosage than say, the brand taken by nani which is something like 750 mgs. Is it better to speak of the amount of Kudzu in the mixture rather than the size of the actual pill? |
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Should we speak more in terms of the amount of kudzu in the tabs, rather than the size of the tabs themselves? I think that, because we are all not on the same type of pill, it might lead to a lot less confusion.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #222 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 2:16pm » |
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Well, unfortunately, the label on the Planetary Formulas bottle doesn't list milligrams for active ingredients. It just says, "A proprietary blend" of:
1.5g (daily value not established)
Kudzu Root, Kudzu Flower, Hovenia Fruit, Coptis Root, Poria Cocos Sclerotium, Grifola Sclerotium, Atractylodes Root, Codonopsis Root, Saussurea Root, Shen Qu-Massa Fermentata Extract, Green Citrus Peel, Cardamon Fruit, and Ginger Root.
Other ingredients: Sorbitol, stearic acid, colloidal silicon dioxide, modified cellulose gum, and magnesium stearate.
"Planetary Formulas Kudzu Recovery features the roots and flowers of kudzu (Pueraria lobata) which have long been used in Chinese herbalism to help lessen the desire for alcohol. Researchers have identified two constituents in kudzu responsible for this activity, daidzein and daidzin, which in animal research have been found to cause a similar effect. These are combined with coptis, a primary cleansing and liver-supporting herb from Chinese herbalism and other key botanicals historically used to reduce cravings.
Lifestyle Recommendations: To decrease cravings, maintain adequate caloric intake by eating rregularly scheduled meals, avoid simple sugars, and supplement with GTF chromium and a B-complex vitamin. Avoid excess stress, exercise regularly, and promote a calm mental state of well-being."
A calm mental state? A CALM MENTAL STATE??
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #223 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 2:32pm » |
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"A calm mental state"
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #224 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 2:44pm » |
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I can't decipher any furhter info from the bottle eaither, Casey. You have a good point. I can't get into trying to coordinate that info. Kudzu didn't make me any smarter, I'm afraid.  I'm having a better day than yesterday, so I suspect I was right about sensory overload, lack of sleep and adrenaline being a trigger for a bad (only since kudzu - yesterday would've been an "easy" day before I started it) day.
I have a clusterbuddy who does not post here who is also trying the kudzu. She wanted to report that she has gotten some relief overall, but had to take a trex shot in desperation. She did not feel any adverse effects from it.
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