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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #225 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 2:45pm » |
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I was taking the Soloray 150mgs and taking at least 4 pills ( the = of 600mgs) am and pm....but I ran out and just bought Nature's Way at my local store....It is super Tuesday and everything is discounted....yippee!!!! We need all the help we can get....I think the Nature's Way is 613mgs....so I'll start that this pm.....maybe increase I don't know.....Last night I still got hit a couple of times but it seemed to be less intense and easier to go away with the O2.....a better night's sleep....maybe the meletonin....and maybe a combination of that and the Kudzu kicking in....
My husband's mother in law passed away this am ( my step kids gramma)...His first wife passed away from cancer and then her father passed just last Fall.....all this and my daughter's wedding this Saturday....Hopeing the funeral isn't on the same day....She was wonderful in accepting me into the family......so sad....and I want my daughter's wedding to be so happy.....
Just had to spill....Love y'all
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #226 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 2:47pm » |
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Sorry, Karen...that's a lot going on. I'm glad you're at least getting some noticeable effect now. I'm praying for your lasting relief. Huggsss, nani
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #227 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:10pm » |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #228 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:14pm » |
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Frank, Nani...
Hate to be a pill LOL..but I think that you do have 750mg per tablet...I could be totally wrong...but look at the amount per serving. That equals 1.5 Grams which is as you know 2x750mg.
Does it specifially say somewhere else that 750mg is one serving? (If it does I'm a dope and sorry.)
Doesn't matter either way I suppose as long as it might work for you!
This was the label I was looking at:
http://www.iherb.com/kudzu1.html
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 Tablets
Serving per container: 60
Amount Per Serving
Proprietary Blend: 1.5 g +
Kudzu root, Kudzu flower, Hovenia fruit, Copits root, Poria
Cocos sclerotium, Grifola sclerotium, Atractylodes root,
Codonopsis root, Saussurearoot, Shen Qu-Massa Fermentata extract,
Green Citrus peel, Cardamom fruit and Ginger root.
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+ Daily Values Not Established.
Other Ingredients: sorbitol, stearic acid, colloidal silicon dioxide, modified cellulose gum and magnesium stearate. "
Expiration Date: Approx. 3 years from date of purchase.
Brand: Planetary Formulas by Michael Tierra
750 mg, 120 Tabs
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #229 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:19pm » |
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Well Rory...now I'm even more confused. LOL When I see that (it's the right bottle) on my monitor in extra large font, it looks like you're correct. Early on in the thread, flo says the PDR says that 9-15 grams is a normal dose. Now that's for root, not root extract. But, If the bottle says I can take 6 tabs a day safely, that's what I'll follow. Unfortunately, all this thinking is making my eyes water. 
Can anyone tell me how much I'm taking? 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #230 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:32pm » |
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You're correct, Rori. Nowhere does it say that 750mg is one serving. I'm assuming from the label, that one tablet is 750 mg, and that a serving of two tablets would then be, 1500 mg, and the daily total would then be 4500 mg.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #231 on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:43pm » |
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OK...so I'm taking 1500 mgs a day. That's what I'm sticking to...
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #232 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 9:35am » |
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Day 6 on the "zu" -- 3 complete days of no HA's whatsoever.
Starting to feel as though I'm looking into the rear view mirror as I pull away from this cycle. How's that for optimism?
Ran again this morning (my usual trigger) and nothing happened.
This could be pretty cool if it is really the kudzu making the difference.
The process from Day 1 has been, if I can use some analogies. If the headaches are "the beast", kudzu has been like taking a 22 calibre gun to the beast. You shoot most beasts with a 22 and you won't kill it right away, but if you keep shooting, eventually you'll take him down. That's what the kudzu was like from Day 1 - a little better each day -- and then, feeling pretty darn good about it today.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #233 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 9:38am » |
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Got hit this morning and I'm fiighting through shadows now. Will take some decongestant for the stuffy nose. Ha 300 mg of kudzu this morning, but it isn't doing anything for this one. Will just wait it out....
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #234 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 10:46am » |
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Well, crap... This has been a weird cycle anyway... One shadow every night, between 8 p.m. and 11 p.m.
Yesterday, I started the kudzu.
Last night, I got nailed at 1:00 a.m. with a full-blown hit. Interestingly, the hit itself only went up to a Kip 6, and only lasted for thirty minutes.
Maybe after the kudzu has time to sufficiently load into my system, I won't get hit at all... I guess time will tell.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #235 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 10:54am » |
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That's great for you Frank. Exactly what I was saying, the hits I got right after the kudzu were just wierd CH's. They hit, they knocked, and then right when you thought "oh f&*$%, here we go", they lifted in something less than 30 minutes or so. I hope you experience the progressive improvement that I did in the coming days. Good luck. I don't want to appear to be a freak about some new alternative remedy, but this could really be cool if these experiences are duplicated.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #236 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:08am » |
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Not to worry boomer...I'm enough of a freak about it to cover everybody...LOL
I forgot my meds last night...so I'm going to take this opportunity to start tapering off the lithium, too.
Frank and Ozzy, I hope it keeps getting better!
Not everyone who is getting relief is posting to this thread. I know of 2 others who have had some success.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #237 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:22am » |
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Well, I'm still in denial. I am NOT in cycle, dammit!! *sigh*
It was just a very hard shadow... (please, please, dear God...)
So, I'll hang in with the 'zu, and buckle in for the ride. 
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #238 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 10:28pm » |
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Heya....
how'd that work out?
I miss my Miller High Life....
on Feb 27th, 2005, 12:50am, Rock_Lobster wrote:zu'ing the kud for two days now.
chowed on two capsules yesterday and one earlier today.
moderate shadow this PM. popped two zu's as soon as the tickle started. fine two hours later... which may be unique... my shadows tend to nibble on my skull for 6-8 hours usually. still aok... laid bait for the beast in the form of multiple tequila-based beverages... no sign. |
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #239 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 8:55am » |
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Okay..... I am tentatively hopeful.... Yesterday was Day 2 on the 'zu. I held off on the last dose until 9 p.m. and then washed it down with GNC "Mega Men" multi-vitamin, which is an uber-vitamin.. Great stuff. (in spite of the name!)
No hit, no shadows. Nothing.
Day 3.... Time will tell.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #240 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 9:21am » |
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Update - Finished day 6 on the "zu". Decided I would lay down a final test -- three beers on Wed. night. Woke up about 2 a.m. ---- a little thirsty, THAT's IT.
So, I'll complete the kudzu survey tomorrow.
Could it have been a short cycle that just ended naturally? Maybe, who knows? I'm going to keep taking through the weekend, if still no shadows or anything, I'll stop zu-ing and see if the cycle is fully gone.
Nani, if you're the one who brought this info to the boards you deserve a hearty thanks and many hugs. I went from deep despair last Wed. to as optimistic as a cluster sufferer can be in less than a week. Good luck to all who try it out. Frank, I hope your success continues.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #241 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 9:24am » |
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Not me, boomer...it was Floridian. I have recently informed him we are going to start a movement to make him the patron saint of CH... 
I'm just so happy it's working for so many of us!
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #242 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 9:31am » |
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Then, many thanks to Floridian. Should my results continue I will be able to continuing training as hoped for the Charlottesville Marathon in April. A lot of people run for various charities -- is there any OUCH-ware out there so I can run wearing something in dedication and building awareness to the help you all are providing to those of us who have these things.?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #243 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 9:42am » |
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0844, Day 3: Just muddled my way through a 30-minute shadow/hit.... Real low level, but enough to make me do the classic, "digging the heel of the palm into the eye" pose.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #244 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 11:55am » |
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Since this stuff has estrogenic properties (you guys are going to get man-boobs), here's a question:
are there any female clusterheads here who are on estrogen therapy?
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #245 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:05pm » |
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on Mar 3rd, 2005, 11:55am, Bob P wrote:| Since this stuff has estrogenic properties (you guys are going to get man-boobs) |
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Although many plants contain 'phytoestrogens' there is no evidence that they cause feminization of males or man-boobs. Soy is another rich source of phytoestrogens - yet China and Japan don't have the problem you describe.
Some phytoestrogens protect against breast cancer while estrogen can stimulate the growth of normal and cancerous cells in the breast.
Some phytoestrogens can increase estrogen activity if it is low, but lower it if it is high. The typical phytoestrogen might have 5% of the activity of real estrogen. Because it spends time at the estrogen receptors, it actually decreases the activity of real estrogen, while only weakly stimulating the receptor.
FYI - Hops are loaded with phytoestrogens - maybe that's why men love beer and wimmens tend to favor wine. Also, there was someone here a year or two ago that claimed that a (non-alcoholic) hops extract helped with their clusters - maybe they were right.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #246 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:08pm » |
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Floridian... do you have anything on kudzu and kids? whether they can take it or not? Specifically a 3 year old
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #247 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 12:52pm » |
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I haven't come across much at all on kids and kudzu. Some sources reccomend that pregnant/nursing women avoid kudzu, while the PDR (link to it in kudzu article at med-owl.com) says there are no known precautions for pregnant women, and nothing about kids.
In general, kids are developing and may be more susceptible to outside influences. The risks of kudzu are not known, but potential risks need to be weighed against the potential benefits. Also, the dose is probably linked to weight, which would be a factor with little ones.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #248 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 1:32pm » |
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I'm on day five of the Kudzu. So far it's not very good news. Five to seven hits every night since I've been taking it......so it's not changing anything for me.
I'm going to keep going for a few weeks.....see what happens.
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Re: 5-HT activity in Kudzu
« Reply #249 on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 3:02pm » |
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Tracey, how much of it are you taking? I started low with only one 150 mg a day. I'm up to 6 a day, and that seems to be the trick for *me*. If you are already taking a lot and don't feel like taking more, try taking less (kinda like verapamil or melatonin). Your hits are mostly at night. How about taking a "megadose" in the evening and not much during the day.
Human guinea pigs we all are...
Hoping it works for ya.
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