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Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« on: Mar 11th, 2005, 6:39pm » |
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WTHeck is Kudzu... I feel like we missed something vital... I feel stupid... enlighten me and... How do you take it... how much etc...... ??????? love ree
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #1 on: Mar 11th, 2005, 6:44pm » |
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Several long threads, but to make the story short, a good percent of the people trying kudzu have experienced improvement in the cluster activity.
Kudzu is the root (or root extract) of the kudzu plant - scourge of the south. It has been used to treat migraines in traditional Chinese medicine for a while, but is not that well known in the west.
The kudzu survey thread is a list of people that have tried it for a week or mor - check that one out. And this article:
http://med-owl.com/clusterheadaches/tiki-index.php?page=Kudzu
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #3 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 3:29pm » |
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Here's a chart showing the first week response of the 19 people that posted their results to the survey.
The bottom scale is relief - 0 on the left is no relief, 10 on the right is complete remission. Most people reporting some relief, although 2/19 saw no benefit and another 2/19 with little benefit.
There were two people reporting 6.5 for relief - I put one in the 6 column and one in the 7 (not sure that is statistically valid, but I wanted to stick to whole numbers for the scale of the graph).
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #4 on: Mar 17th, 2005, 1:01pm » |
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Hi Floridian. I think I originally posted an overall 6-7 on the relief chart, but since upping my doseage to the full recommended on the bottle 5 days ago the last 4 days are now a 10 for relief, just slight shadow. I hope this continues  . Thanks for your hard work on this evaluation.
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #5 on: Mar 19th, 2005, 9:01am » |
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Doing the zu for a few days short of three weeks now,and I can honestly say I think it is helping.Still deal with some shadows and a kip 7 or 8 hit once in a while.But the CH have shortened in duration and frequency.Still take 02 when I feel the deamon doing his thing.But for me the ZU does seem to work.  David
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #6 on: Mar 21st, 2005, 11:33pm » |
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how do u take it? cook it, eat it raw etc.... 
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 21st, 2005, 11:46pm » |
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We are taking supplements. I think you can use fresh root to make tea, but I suspect it would be hard to know dosages with that. You shouldn't use kudzu starch, which you can buy to cook with.
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #8 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 5:45pm » |
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For those taking supplements, how much do you take? What is a typical dosage? Is it purchased in the health food store? Thanks.
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I don't have CH, I have horrible migraines. Doc says they have "cluster features." Can I still stay? Migraines suck. Can I say that?
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #9 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 6:06pm » |
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on Apr 20th, 2005, 5:45pm, Apple wrote:| For those taking supplements, how much do you take? What is a typical dosage? Is it purchased in the health food store? Thanks. |
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #10 on: Apr 24th, 2005, 1:55pm » |
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Just an update on the ZU.Friday night went to a birthday party with a lot of old friends.Plenty of beer and great food.Any booze has been off limits to me now for some time because it triggers my CH.But I got caught up in all the fun and decided to have a "few" beers.Well my wife let me know I had more than a few...anyway,NO CH!!!!I don't recommend this for anyone else but for the first time in years I had a pretty nice beer buzz with no CH.It HAS to be the Kudzu.I think God put everything on this earth for a reason we just haven't ever figured out how to use it all for our own good.The ZU works for me! David Oh,by the way My Kudzu is Solray Extract 150 mg.1 2X a day
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #11 on: Apr 26th, 2005, 6:30pm » |
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 Hey i'm looking to order some Kudzu online, could anyone please send me a link to where they have found it cheapest (or at all?)? THANKS! 
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« Reply #13 on: May 30th, 2005, 7:43pm » |
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Got a question, maybe the wrong place I do not know. I use O2 and Axert. My Dr. wouldn't let me try Verapamil. I am still kind of mad about that one. Something to do with my being tall skinny and having a mitral valve reflux.
Any way, I was originally given Axert because it had a longer ½ life than imitrex. I also couldn’t afford the shots anymore. I found that the Axert only has a ½ life about 1 hour longer than the trex did, according to the pharmacy.
Now my question, I have been reading a lot about Kudzu and how much help it was. Problem is the posts were back in February. Frankly I am worn out from reading posts today. I can’t seem to find any answer to mixing triptans and Kudzu.
Any thoughts on this? I want to try the Kudzu but I am afraid to give up what I know helps.
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #14 on: May 30th, 2005, 8:22pm » |
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Mixing kudzu and triptans is probably not a good idea. Does oxygen work for you? If it does, it's probably the best abortive to use with kudzu. Print out this page and bring it to your dr.
http://med-owl.com/clusterheadaches/tiki-index.php?page=Kudzu
Kudzu has calcium channel blocking properties like verapamil and affects the 5ht receptors in the brain like the triptans. It has been used to treat certain heart conditions in Chinese medicine. The page I want you to print has that info and the dr can determine whether it's a wise choice for you.
Good luck and PF wishes, nani
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #15 on: May 30th, 2005, 9:12pm » |
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Thanks Nani,
I do use oxygen. It has been a gift from God.
I have been using the Axert on a 12-hour basis. Dr. told me this would kind of work as a prevent. Since they wouldn't go with the Verapamil. Not bashing the Dr. Mine is awesome, she suffers from migraine so I know she cares but sometimes I do not think she has a clue.
Problem with using a triptan for a prevent is it does not really prevent. Of course you probably already knew that. I will print off the info and take it to her in the next couple of days.
This site has been so helpful.
God Bless You,
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #16 on: Jun 1st, 2005, 1:26am » |
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` U need to come to Alabama. That’s sh*% is everywhere. I always hoped it would someday be good for something other than taking over the world. Hmmmmm I think it also come from China. We used it as a ground cover to help with erosion and dang if we ant got it all over the place. It’s like cancer. Once you get the stuff you cant get rid of it. SO come to Alabama where the Kudzzzzzuuuuu is.
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #17 on: Jun 6th, 2005, 5:18pm » |
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So, you're saying no Imitrex injections with Kudzu?
I was all ready to get excited, but.... I made a vow long ago that I would never, ever take anything again that prohibited me from taking Imitrex.
Well... keep us updated. I pray this works!
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #18 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 1:34pm » |
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Like the previous posting I was very excited, but I am a Verapamil and Imitrex user. Currently on 1200mg of Verapamil (no more per doc) and it works good. Have used a prednisone taper in the past. Couldn;t give up my Imitrex needle or Zomig spray no matter what.
Just another suggestion that I recently found: Sinusbuster - it is a Capsaicin pepper extract in nasla spray form. Burns a bit and takes some getting used to but it has been amazing. Check it out - sinusbuster.com
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #19 on: Jun 10th, 2005, 1:41pm » |
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on Jun 10th, 2005, 1:34pm, birdman wrote:t.
Just another suggestion that I recently found: Sinusbuster - it is a Capsaicin pepper extract in nasla spray form. Burns a bit and takes some getting used to but it has been amazing. Check it out - sinusbuster.com |
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In what way has it been amazing?
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on Jun 10th, 2005, 1:34pm, birdman wrote:| Check it out - sinusbuster.com |
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #21 on: Jul 25th, 2005, 10:25am » |
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I started using Kudzu a few days agao and didn't realize that you were not to use it in conjuction with Imitrex... Well, I did and I'm fine. I popped a 100Mg Trex tab last night while experiencing a Kip 7 and I'm still here to tell you about it. The one thing I did notice is that the CH duration was much shorter then usual - I'm guessing this is due to the Kudzu. I have only been on the Kudzu for 3 days but with the exception of last night's (45 mins long) episode, I have not had a CH since starting! This is big to me as I am in cycle and have been getting two to three per day for the past three weeks!
I'm not advocating taking Kudzu with Triptans (Trex, etc.), but if you did accedentally, odds are you'd live as I did. I will not be continuing this however as I'm guessing prolonged use of boht in concert could be very dangerous. My hope is after a while I will nolonger need the Trex with my daily does of kudzu. .
on Jun 6th, 2005, 5:18pm, MarkHW wrote:So, you're saying no Imitrex injections with Kudzu?
I was all ready to get excited, but.... I made a vow long ago that I would never, ever take anything again that prohibited me from taking Imitrex.
Well... keep us updated. I pray this works!
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 25th, 2005, 10:30am » |
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I'm glad you're seeing a difference! We do think that kudzu taken to soon before a trex dose can make it ineffective, but doubt it's "harmful". The thing is, we just don't know a lot about it. We are the "clinical trials" per se...
If you have oxygen, try it first. Red Bull (drinking it fast, at the start of a hit) can be an effective abortive for some of us, too. Good luck and keep us posted.
Pain free wishes, nani
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on Jul 25th, 2005, 10:25am, ArdRigh wrote:I started using Kudzu a few days agao and didn't realize that you were not to use it in conjuction with Imitrex... Well, I did and I'm fine. I popped a 100Mg Trex tab last night while experiencing a Kip 7 and I'm still here to tell you about it. The one thing I did notice is that the CH duration was much shorter then usual - I'm guessing this is due to the Kudzu. I have only been on the Kudzu for 3 days but with the exception of last night's (45 mins long) episode, I have not had a CH since starting! This is big to me as I am in cycle and have been getting two to three per day for the past three weeks!
I'm not advocating taking Kudzu with Triptans (Trex, etc.), but if you did accedentally, odds are you'd live as I did. I will not be continuing this however as I'm guessing prolonged use of boht in concert could be very dangerous. My hope is after a while I will nolonger need the Trex with my daily does of kudzu. .
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I don't believe the advice against Triptans and Kudzu was based on a health warning -- I believe it came about from feedback that seemed to indicate that the two in combination may result in lessened effectiveness as well as some science showing some chemical issues which are outside of my understanding. This was all theoretical and based on a very few (statistically speaking) reports. Hell, if I thought chanting and gobbling Kudzu would help, it would be worth reporting -- and that's the way info comes about sometimes. Weigh it all for what it is worth and whenever's there a question read more.
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Re: Whats all the Kudzuuuuuuuu about???
« Reply #24 on: Aug 7th, 2005, 8:46am » |
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ok I might get killed for asking this now....but does anyone thing that the kudzu will help MY MIGRAINES...?
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